Win XP Pro Cleanup options

[Alan C. Brown]

I have a Toshiba Satellite 5105-S702 with Win XP Pro.

In preparation for installing Win XP SP1 I decided to check the "Disk
Clean-up" options. I attempted trial startup of "Disk Cleanup" (Start>All
Programs>Accessories>System Tools>Disk Cleanup) on the C:\ Partition, just
to see what the cleanup options are, but not with the intention of actually
running it.

A box came up for selection of the partition / drive, and I selected C:\,
and clicked on Start. However, no other cleanup options box appeared, and
instead it immedediately started scanning for files, and then very quickly
the following message appeared in the bottom of the box - "scanning :
compressing old files." I assumed that it had actually started to compress
the old files, which was against the instructions for installing XP SP1 that
I had read in this newsgroup, and therefore I immediately cancelled the
Cleanup.

Was it actually compressing old files ?

When & where are the "Cleanup Options" supposed to be presented for
selection ?

Thank you

Alan C.Brown

 

[Phil \(purplehaz\)]

Yes it was compressing old files that you or the os hasn't access in a
while. This is perfectly fine. Compressing the hard drive is not a good
idea.
The rest of the options come up after it scans and compresses old files.
This sometimes takes several minutes. Also can be tweaked to not compress on
startup with a reg tweak.

 

[Carrie Garth]

wrote in message <SNIP> I attempted trial startup of "Disk Cleanup" <SNIP> on the C:\ Partition,
just to see what the cleanup options are, but not with the intention of actually
running it. A box came up for selection of the partition / drive, and I selected
C:\, <SNIP> it immedediately started scanning for files <SNIP> I immediately
cancelled the Cleanup. Was it actually compressing old files ? When & where are
the "Cleanup Options" supposed to be presented for selection ?

The box that appeared with the "Scanning" Compressed old files" (and that you
immediately cancelled out of) was only calculating how much space could be saved by
compressing files. If you let this initial process complete you will get the Disk
Cleanup Options dialog box where you can select what folders to clean (such as
Temporary Internet Files and Recycle Bin), where you can view the files in the
folders in question, where you can set an option for Compressing old file, and where
you can Cancel Disk Cleanup (without performing any tasks at all).

"Compress Old Files" is a Disk Cleanup function that (in the initial phase) searches
the selected partition for files that are not accessed very often. Then, when the
Options dialog box appears you click to select the "Compress Old Files"check box.
Then, if you want to change the number of days before a file is consider "not
accessed very often" you click to highlight the "Compress Old Files" entry and click
the Options button. Then you click the Disk Cleanup OK button and it will compress
the files. Note: By default the number of days that a file is "not accessed very
often" is set to 50. However, this can be changed to a maximum of 500.

The following Microsoft Knowledge Base Article has some details about the various
options you find in Disk Cleanup.

KB253597 - Automating Disk Cleanup Tool in Windows
http://support.microsoft.com/?scid=253597

For the exact paths and file extensions that Disk Cleanup searches, run regedit.exe,
navigate to the following registry key, and view each subkey.

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\VolumeCaches

For example, by viewing the "Temporary Files" registry subkey I can determine that
the FileList for "Temporary Files" is all the files (*.*) and that the Folder is
%TEMP%. And I can determine where the %TEMP% folder is by clicking Start, clicking
Run, entering the following command and clicking OK: %TEMP%

Note that some of the files and folders have the hidden and/or system attribute. As
such, you may need to modify your folder options so that you can view them. For more
information search the Help and Support Center for "To display hidden files and
folders"

BTW, some people posting to the microsoft.public.* newsgroups have reported that Disk
Cleanup's "Compressing Old Files" stage can take overnight, so you may want to leave
Disk Cleanup running that long.

Also, some people post that Disk Cleanup stops responding while compressing old
files. And according to this archived newsgroup thread:

----- Original Message -----
From: Emmers Presson [MSFT]
Subject: Re: Disk Clean up
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win2000.general
Date: 2003-12-27 07:07:49 PST
Link to thread via Google Groups Archives:
http://www.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=#[email protected]

The hang can be due to a corrupt compressed file. There are two
options, you can either manually uncompress all files and run disk
cleanup again, or you can remove the following registry values,
which eliminate the scanning for compressed files <SNIP>
----- Original Message -----

For more information see the following Microsoft Knowledge Base article:

KB812248 - Disk Cleanup Tool Stops Responding While
Compressing Old Files
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?Product=winxp&scid=kb;en-us;812248

 

[Alan C. Brown]

Thank you for your very helpful reply.

I did as you suggested, but the cleanup froze after about a minute.
Unfortunately I did not read the last part of your e-mail, which dealt with
exactly this problem.

As a result, out of frustration, I tried to manually delete the contents of
the Temporay Internet Files folder with only partial success, in that only
about 1/3 (300MB) of the TIFs were deleted, and the other 2/3 (600 MB) could
not be seen in the TIF folder in Windows Explorer.

It was only after that happened that I read the last part of your e-mail,
and true enough, deleting the "Compress old files" registry key got rid of
the cleanup freeze problem. Unfortunately though, running "cleanup" again
only revealed the very recent TIFs created just prior to this cleanup.
However, now I could now see the previously hidden Content.IE5 folder and
all it's TIF sub-folders in Temporay Internet Files Folder, and I was able
to manually delete the TIFs in each TIF sub-folder, but leaving the
subfolders intact with their respective "desktop.ini" files.

Since doing that and browsing the web again, I cannot see the Content.IE
folder, or the TIF sub-folders in Windows Explorer, although I do get a
listing in the Temporary Internet Folder of the all the newly created TIFs.

Am I likely to experience any problems as a result of the messy way I
deleted
the TIFs ?

What a mess. More haste - less speed.

Alan C. Brown

-----------------------------

The box that appeared with the "Scanning" Compressed old files" (and that
you immediately cancelled out of) was only calculating how much space could
be saved by compressing files. If you let this initial process complete
you will get the Disk Cleanup Options dialog box where you can select what
folders to clean (such as Temporary Internet Files and Recycle Bin), where
you can view the files in the folders in question, where you can set an
option for Compressing old file, and where you can Cancel Disk Cleanup
(without performing any tasks at all).

"Compress Old Files" is a Disk Cleanup function that (in the initial phase)
searches the selected partition for files that are not accessed very often.
Then, when the Options dialog box appears you click to select the "Compress
Old Files"check box.
Then, if you want to change the number of days before a file is consider
"not accessed very often" you click to highlight the "Compress Old Files"
entry and click the Options button. Then you click the Disk Cleanup OK
button and it will compress the files. Note: By default the number of days
that a file is "not accessed very often" is set to 50. However, this can
be changed to a maximum of 500.

The following Microsoft Knowledge Base Article has some details about the
various options you find in Disk Cleanup.

KB253597 - Automating Disk Cleanup Tool in Windows
http://support.microsoft.com/?scid=253597

For the exact paths and file extensions that Disk Cleanup searches, run
regedit.exe, navigate to the following registry key, and view each subkey.

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\
Explorer\Volume Caches

For example, by viewing the "Temporary Files" registry subkey I can
determine that the FileList for "Temporary Files" is all the files (*.*)
and that the Folder is %TEMP%. And I can determine where the %TEMP% folder
is by clicking Start, clicking Run, entering the following command and
clicking OK: % TEMP%

Note that some of the files and folders have the hidden and/or system
attribute. As such, you may need to modify your folder options so that you
can view them.
For more information search the Help and Support Center for "To display
hidden files and folders"

BTW, some people posting to the microsoft.public.* newsgroups have reported
that Disk Cleanup's "Compressing Old Files" stage can take overnight, so
you may want to leave Disk Cleanup running that long.

Also, some people post that Disk Cleanup stops responding while compressing
old files. And according to this archived newsgroup thread:

----- Original Message -----
From: Emmers Presson [MSFT]
Subject: Re: Disk Clean up
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.win2000.general
Date: 2003-12-27 07:07:49 PST
Link to thread via Google Groups Archives:
http://www.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=#AbCXsIzDHA.
1500%40TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl

The hang can be due to a corrupt compressed file. There are two
options, you can either manually uncompress all files and run disk
cleanup again, or you can remove the following registry values,
which eliminate the scanning for compressed files <SNIP>

----- Original Message -----

 

[Carrie Garth]

wrote in message <SNIP> I attempted trial startup of "Disk Cleanup" <SNIP> on the C:\ Partition,
just to see what the cleanup options are, but not with the intention of actually
running it. A box came up for selection of the partition / drive, and I selected
C:\, <SNIP> it immedediately started scanning for files <SNIP> I immediately
cancelled the Cleanup. Was it actually compressing old files ? When & where are
the "Cleanup Options" supposed to be presented for selection ?

The box that appeared with the "Scanning" Compressed old files" (and that
you immediately cancelled out of) was only calculating how much space could
be saved by compressing files. If you let this initial process complete
you will get the Disk Cleanup Options dialog box <SNIP>
[if] Disk Cleanup stops responding while compressing old files. <SNIP>

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?Product=winxp&scid=kb;en-us;812248

"Alan C. Brown" <[email protected]>
wrote in message Thank you for your very helpful reply.

I did as you suggested, but the cleanup froze after about a minute.
Unfortunately I did not read the last part of your e-mail, which dealt with
exactly this problem.

As a result, out of frustration, I tried to manually delete the contents of
the Temporay Internet Files folder with only partial success, in that only
about 1/3 (300MB) of the TIFs were deleted, and the other 2/3 (600 MB) could
not be seen in the TIF folder in Windows Explorer.

It was only after that happened that I read the last part of your e-mail,
and true enough, deleting the "Compress old files" registry key got rid of
the cleanup freeze problem. Unfortunately though, running "cleanup" again
only revealed the very recent TIFs created just prior to this cleanup.
However, now I could now see the previously hidden Content.IE5 folder and
all it's TIF sub-folders in Temporay Internet Files Folder, and I was able
to manually delete the TIFs in each TIF sub-folder, but leaving the
subfolders intact with their respective "desktop.ini" files.

Since doing that and browsing the web again, I cannot see the Content.IE
folder, or the TIF sub-folders in Windows Explorer, although I do get a
listing in the Temporary Internet Folder of the all the newly created TIFs.

Am I likely to experience any problems as a result of the messy way I
deleted the TIFs ?

What a mess. More haste - less speed.

Sounds like you deleted at least one of files that provide the functionality of the
Temporary Internet Files shell extension (the cache index file named index.dat). And
then Windows generated a new index.dat file that does not contain information about
the old cache. Since I am not an expert with the inner workings of Internet Explorer
I can only guess that the easiest way to straighten things out would be to:

- Log on to the computer using an account other than the one with the corrupt
TIF folder, and one which also has administrative privileges
- Delete the corrupt Temporary Internet Files folder (subfolders and all)
- Log on to the computer using the account that had the corrupt TIF folder. The
folders and files that provide the functionality of the Temporary Internet Files
shell extension will have been recreated.

For expert advice please post in the following newsgroup:

microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.browser

If you read the newsgroups using the Microsoft Communities Web Page, here is a link:
http://communities2.microsoft.com/c...osoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.browser

If you read newsgroups using a NNTP newsreader, such as Outlook Express, and
use the msnews.microsoft.com news server, here is a link:
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.windows.file_system

 

[Alan C. Brown]

^^^^^^^SNIPPED^^^^^^^^^^^-------------------------------------

Sounds like you deleted at least one of files that provide the functionality of the
Temporary Internet Files shell extension (the cache index file named index.dat).
And then Windows generated a new index.dat file that does not contain information about
the old cache. Since I am not an expert with the inner workings of Internet Explorer
I can only guess that the easiest way to straighten things out would be to:

- Log on to the computer using an account other than the one with the corrupt
TIF folder, and one which also has administrative privileges
- Delete the corrupt Temporary Internet Files folder (subfolders and all)
- Log on to the computer using the account that had the corrupt TIF folder. The
folders and files that provide the functionality of the Temporary Internet Files
shell extension will have been recreated.

For expert advice please post in the following newsgroup:

microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.browser

If you read the newsgroups using the Microsoft Communities Web Page, here is a link:
http://communities2.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.aspx?
query=microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.browser

If you read newsgroups using a NNTP newsreader, such as Outlook Express, and
use the msnews.microsoft.com news server, here is a link:
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.windows.file_system

-----------------------------

That's good news. Much appreciated. There's always hope, isn't there ?

When I purchased the laptop in 2002, I setup 2 accounts, one for my wife and
one for me,
but I don't recall anything coming up about administrative privileges.
How can I tell if these accounts have administrative privileges ?

By the way, aren't we posting our replies upside down ?

Thanks a lot for your help.

Alan C. Brown

 

[Carrie Garth]

wrote in message <SNIP> I immediately cancelled the Cleanup. Was it actually compressing old
files ? When & where are the "Cleanup Options" <SNIP>
<SNIP> The box <SNIP> was only calculating <SNIP> If you let this initial
process complete you will get the Disk Cleanup Options dialog box <SNIP> [if]
Disk Cleanup stops responding while compressing old files. <SNIP>

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?Product=winxp&scid=kb;en-us;812248

"Alan C. Brown" <[email protected]>
wrote in message <SNIP> cleanup froze <SNIP> I tried to manually delete the contents of
the Temporay Internet Files folder with only partial success<SNIP> running
"cleanup" again only revealed the very recent TIFs <SNIP>

"Carrie Garth" <[email protected]>
wrote in message Sounds like <SNIP> Windows generated a new index.dat file that does not contain
information about the old cache. <SNIP> [Try this:]
- Log on to the computer using an account other than the one with the corrupt TIF
folder, and one which also has administrative privileges
- Delete the corrupt Temporary Internet Files folder <SNIP>

<SNIP> How can I tell if these accounts have administrative privileges ?<SNIP>

Click Start, click Control Panel, then select "User Accounts". The resulting applet
will have a brief description of the User Accounts including group membership.

Another way is to use the command-line tool net.exe with the appropriate parameters.
And then scan the output for the Local Group Memberships line. For example, if your
username is Alan you would click Start, click Run, type the following command and
click OK: net user Alan

For a "User Accounts overview", and related topics, search the Help and Support
Center for the words in double-quotes.

 

[Alan C. Brown]

functionality of the Temporary Internet Files shell extension (the cache
indexfile named index.dat). And then Windows generated a new index.dat
file that does not contain information about the old cache. Since I am not
an expert in the inner workings of Internet Explorer I can only guess that
the easiest way to straighten things out would be to:

- Log on to the computer using an account other than the one with the
corrupt TIF folder, and one which also has administrative privileges
- Delete the corrupt Temporary Internet Files folder (subfolders and all)
- Log on to the computer using the account that had the corrupt TIF folder.
The folders and files that provide the functionality of the Temporary
Internet Files shell extension will have been recreated.

For expert advice please post in the following newsgroup:

microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.browser

If you read the newsgroups using the Microsoft Communities Web Page, here is
a link:
http://communities2.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/en-us/default.aspx?
query=microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.browser

If you read newsgroups using a NNTP newsreader, such as Outlook Express,
and use the msnews.microsoft.com news server, here is a link:
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.windows.file_system
--------------------------------

Click Start, click Control Panel, then select "User Accounts". The
resulting appletwill have a brief description of the User Accounts
including group membership.

Another way is to use the command-line tool net.exe with the appropriate
parameters. And then scan the output for the Local Group Memberships line.
For example, if your username is Alan you would click Start, click Run,
type the following command and click OK: net user Alan

For a "User Accounts overview", and related topics, search the Help and
SupportCenter for the words in double-quotes.

-------------------------------------

Both User Accounts are "Computer Administrator Accounts".
However the corrupt Temporary Internet Files Folder does not show up when I
logon under HER User Account Name.

The pathway for the corrupt TIF folder under MY User Account Name is
C:\Documents and Settings\My name\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Folder,
but under HER User Account Name this pathway does not exist.

The only pathway that exists for Temporary Internet Files under HER User
Account name is C:\Windows\Temp\Tempoaray Internet Files, and it is
basically empty (no data files), because she does not use HER User Account.
She prefers to use MY User Account, and she really only uses it for e-mail.

So it would appear that I am back to square one.

I have posted a message to the microsoft.public.windows.file_system
newsgroup as you suggested.

Maybe I should have posted it to the
microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.browser newsgroup.

Any other suggestions ?

Thank you very

Alan C. Brown

 

[Carrie Garth]

|:|:|:| "Alan C. Brown" <[email protected]>
|:|:|:| wrote in message |:|:|:| <SNIP> I immediately cancelled the Cleanup. Was it actually
compressing
|:|:|:| old files ? When & where are the "Cleanup Options" <SNIP>

|:|:|: |:|:|: <SNIP> The box <SNIP> was only calculating <SNIP> If you let
this initial
|:|:|: process complete you will get the Disk Cleanup Options dialog
box <SNIP>
|:|:|: [if] Disk Cleanup stops responding while compressing old files.
<SNIP>
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?Product=winxp&scid=kb;en-us;812248

|:|:| "Alan C. Brown" <[email protected]>
|:|:| wrote in message |:|:| <SNIP> cleanup froze <SNIP> I tried to manually delete the
contents of
|:|:| the Temporay Internet Files folder with only partial
success<SNIP> running
|:|:| "cleanup" again only revealed the very recent TIFs <SNIP>

|:|: "Carrie Garth" <[email protected]>
|:|: wrote in message |:|: Sounds like <SNIP> Windows generated a new index.dat file that
does not
|:|: contain information about the old cache. <SNIP> [Try this:]
|:|: - Log on to the computer using an account other than the one with
the
|:|: corrupt TIF folder, and one which also has administrative
privileges
|:|: - Delete the corrupt Temporary Internet Files folder <SNIP>

|:| |:| <SNIP> How can I tell if these accounts have administrative
privileges
|:| ?<SNIP>

|: "Carrie Garth" <[email protected]>
|: wrote in message |: Click Start, click Control Panel, then select "User Accounts".
<SNIP>

| "Alan C. Brown" <[email protected]>
| wrote in message | Both User Accounts are "Computer Administrator Accounts".
| However the corrupt Temporary Internet Files Folder does not show up
when I
| logon under HER User Account Name. <SNIP>

After you log on under HER user account search the Help and Support
Center for the topic titled "To display hidden files and folders" and
follow
those steps to reveal the folder.

I have posted a message to the microsoft.public.windows.file_system
newsgroup as you suggested.

Maybe I should have posted it to the
microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.browser newsgroup.

Yes, the relevant newsgroup is:
microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.browser.

I apologize for not proofing my post carefully enough. Here is the
correct
link for a NNTP newsreader such as Outlook Express:

news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.browser

 

[Alan C. Brown]

|:|: "Carrie Garth" <[email protected]>
|:|: wrote in message |:|: Sounds like <SNIP> Windows generated a new index.dat file that
does not
|:|: contain information about the old cache. <SNIP> [Try this:]
|:|: - Log on to the computer using an account other than the one with
the
|:|: corrupt TIF folder, and one which also has administrative
privileges
|:|: - Delete the corrupt Temporary Internet Files folder <SNIP> ----------------
|:| |:| <SNIP> How can I tell if these accounts have administrative
privileges
|:| ?<SNIP> ---------------
|: "Carrie Garth" <[email protected]>
|: wrote in message |: Click Start, click Control Panel, then select "User Accounts".
<SNIP> -----------------
| "Alan C. Brown" <[email protected]>
| wrote in message | Both User Accounts are "Computer Administrator Accounts".
| However the corrupt Temporary Internet Files Folder does not show up
when I logon under HER User Account Name. <SNIP>

----------------

After you log on under HER user account search the Help and Support
Center for the topic titled "To display hidden files and folders" and
follow those steps to reveal the folder.


Yes, the relevant newsgroup is:
microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.browser.

I apologize for not proofing my post carefully enough. Here is the
correct link for a NNTP newsreader such as Outlook Express:>
news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.browse
r

----------------------------------------
Carrie,

Thanks, I'll try that.

Also, I posted a message in the
microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.browser
newsgroup, and received the following reply :
----------------------
Alan,
Deleting the TIF folder for the affected user account, followed by a
restart, should fix things.
See: http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/delcache.htm

You should also run a smaller cache. 50-60 MB is sufficient for most users.

Don

 

[Carrie Garth]

|:|:|:|:| "Alan C. Brown" <[email protected]>
|:|:|:|:| wrote in |:|:|:|:| <SNIP> I immediately cancelled the Cleanup. Was it actually
|:|:|:|:| compressing old files ? When & where are the "Cleanup
|:|:|:|:| Options" <SNIP>

|:|:|:|: |:|:|:|: <SNIP> The box <SNIP> was only calculating <SNIP> If you let
|:|:|:|: this initial process complete you will get the Disk Cleanup
|:|:|:|: Options dialog box <SNIP> [if] Disk Cleanup stops responding
|:|:|:|: while compressing old files. <SNIP>
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?Product=winxp&scid=kb;en-us;812248

|:|:|:| "Alan C. Brown" <[email protected]>
|:|:|:| wrote in message |:|:|:| <SNIP> cleanup froze <SNIP> I tried to manually delete the
|:|:|:| contents of the Temporay Internet Files folder with only
|:|:|:| partial success<SNIP> running "cleanup" again only revealed
|:|:|:| the very recent TIFs <SNIP>

|:|:|: "Carrie Garth" <[email protected]>
|:|:|: wrote in message |:|:|: Sounds like <SNIP> Windows generated a new index.dat file that
|:|:|: does not contain information about the old cache. <SNIP>
|:|:|: [Try this:] - Log on to the computer using an account other
|:|:|: than the one with the corrupt TIF folder, and one which
|:|:|: also has administrative privileges - Delete the corrupt
|:|:|: Temporary Internet Files folder <SNIP>

|:|:| |:|:| <SNIP> How can I tell if these accounts have administrative
|:|:| privileges ?<SNIP>

|:|: "Carrie Garth" <[email protected]>
|:|: wrote in message |:|: <SNIP>Control Panel, then select "User Accounts". <SNIP>

|:| "Alan C. Brown" <[email protected]>
|:| wrote in message |:| Both User Accounts are "Computer Administrator Accounts". However
|:| the corrupt Temporary Internet Files Folder does not show up when
|:| I logon under HER User Account Name. <SNIP>

|: "Carrie Garth" <[email protected]>
|: wrote in message |: After you log on under HER user account <SNIP> display hidden
|: files and folders <SNIP>

| "Alan C. Brown" <[email protected]>
| wrote in message | <SNIP> Also, I posted a message in the
| microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.browser
| newsgroup, and received the following reply :
| ----------------------
| Alan,
| Deleting the TIF folder for the affected user account, followed by a
| restart, should fix things.
| See: http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/delcache.htm
|
| You should also run a smaller cache. 50-60 MB is sufficient for most
| users.
|
| Don
| --
| MVP IE/OE
| -------------------------
| This seems to be a more direct approach. What do you think ?

The page that Don referred you to (SECTION: Completely Deleting the
Temporary Internet Files and index.dat) says the same thing I did (in
message So yes, I think
you should follow this advice (to delete the TIF folder) and Don's
advice to run a smaller cache.

 

[Alan C. Brown]

|:|:|:|:| "Alan C. Brown" <[email protected]>
|:|:|:|:| wrote in |:|:|:|:| <SNIP> I immediately cancelled the Cleanup. Was it actually
|:|:|:|:| compressing old files ? When & where are the "Cleanup
|:|:|:|:| Options" <SNIP>

|:|:|:|: |:|:|:|: <SNIP> The box <SNIP> was only calculating <SNIP> If you let
|:|:|:|: this initial process complete you will get the Disk Cleanup
|:|:|:|: Options dialog box <SNIP> [if] Disk Cleanup stops responding
|:|:|:|: while compressing old files. <SNIP>
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?Product=winxp&scid=kb;en-us;812248

|:|:|:| "Alan C. Brown" <[email protected]>
|:|:|:| wrote in message |:|:|:| <SNIP> cleanup froze <SNIP> I tried to manually delete the
|:|:|:| contents of the Temporay Internet Files folder with only
|:|:|:| partial success<SNIP> running "cleanup" again only revealed
|:|:|:| the very recent TIFs <SNIP>

|:|:|: "Carrie Garth" <[email protected]>
|:|:|: wrote in message |:|:|: Sounds like <SNIP> Windows generated a new index.dat file that
|:|:|: does not contain information about the old cache. <SNIP>
|:|:|: [Try this:] - Log on to the computer using an account other
|:|:|: than the one with the corrupt TIF folder, and one which
|:|:|: also has administrative privileges - Delete the corrupt
|:|:|: Temporary Internet Files folder <SNIP>

|:|:| |:|:| <SNIP> How can I tell if these accounts have administrative
|:|:| privileges ?<SNIP>

|:|: "Carrie Garth" <[email protected]>
|:|: wrote in message |:|: <SNIP>Control Panel, then select "User Accounts". <SNIP>

|:| "Alan C. Brown" <[email protected]>
|:| wrote in message |:| Both User Accounts are "Computer Administrator Accounts". However
|:| the corrupt Temporary Internet Files Folder does not show up when
|:| I logon under HER User Account Name. <SNIP>

|: "Carrie Garth" <[email protected]>
|: wrote in message |: After you log on under HER user account <SNIP> display hidden
|: files and folders <SNIP>

| "Alan C. Brown" <[email protected]>
| wrote in message | <SNIP> Also, I posted a message in the
| microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.browser
| newsgroup, and received the following reply :
| ----------------------
| Alan,
| Deleting the TIF folder for the affected user account, followed by a
| restart, should fix things.
| See: http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/delcache.htm
|
| You should also run a smaller cache. 50-60 MB is sufficient for most
| users.
|
| Don
| --
| MVP IE/OE
| -------------------------
| This seems to be a more direct approach. What do you think ?

----------------------------------

The page that Don referred you to (SECTION: Completely Deleting the
Temporary Internet Files and index.dat) says the same thing I did (in
message So yes, I think
you should follow this advice (to delete the TIF folder) and Don's
advice to run a smaller cache.

----------------------------------------
Apologies. I mis-read Don's reference.

Anyway I had aleady done it, using what I thought was "your method" (logged
on under my Wife's User Account Name), and it worked in sofar as creating
the TIF Folder, Content.IE folder, and 4 TIF sub-folders (alpha-mumeric
names), all of which I can see when I logon under my Wife's User Account
Name. However, when I logon under My User Account Name, I still can only see
the TIF Folder.

Logged on to My User Account (with Administratve priviliges), I then tried
deleting the new TIF Folder, but a message popped-up saying - "Temporary
Internet Files is a Windows system folder and is required for Windows to run
properly. It cannot be deleted."

So that is proof, if proof were needed, that a user cannot delete his/her
own TIF Folder when logged on under his/her own User Account Name, even
though he/she has Administrative privileges. Can only be done when logged
under as different user who also has Adminstrative Priviliges, or as the
"Administrator". Which is basically what you and Don's instruction reference
said.

I guess that I will just have to put up with not seeing the Content.IE and
TI sub-folders.

Thanks alot for all your help and patience.

Alan C. Brown

 

[Carrie Garth]

|:|:|:|:|:| "Alan C. Brown" <[email protected]>
|:|:|:|:|:| wrote in |:|:|:|:|:| <SNIP> I immediately cancelled the Cleanup. Was it
|:|:|:|:|:| actually compressing old files ? When & where are the
|:|:|:|:|:| "Cleanup |:|:|:|:|:| Options" <SNIP>

|:|:|:|:|: |:|:|:|:|: <SNIP> The box <SNIP> was only calculating <SNIP> If you
|:|:|:|:|: let this initial process complete you will get the Disk
|:|:|:|:|: Cleanup Options dialog box <SNIP> [if] Disk Cleanup stops
|:|:|:|:|: responding while compressing old files. <SNIP>
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?Product=winxp&scid=kb;en-us;812248

|:|:|:|:| "Alan C. Brown" <[email protected]>
|:|:|:|:| wrote |:|:|:|:| <SNIP> cleanup froze <SNIP> I tried to manually delete the
|:|:|:|:| contents of the Temporay Internet Files folder with only
|:|:|:|:| partial success<SNIP> running "cleanup" again only revealed
|:|:|:|:| the very recent TIFs <SNIP>

|:|:|:|: "Carrie Garth" <[email protected]>
|:|:|:|: wrote |:|:|:|: Sounds like <SNIP> Windows generated a new index.dat file
|:|:|:|: that does not contain information about the old cache.
|:|:|:|: <SNIP> [Try this:] - Log on to the computer using an account
|:|:|:|: other than the one with the corrupt TIF folder, and one which
|:|:|:|: also has administrative privileges - Delete the corrupt
|:|:|:|: Temporary Internet Files folder <SNIP>

|:|:|:| |:|:|:| <SNIP> How can I tell if these accounts have administrative
|:|:|:| privileges ?<SNIP>

|:|:|: "Carrie Garth" <[email protected]>
|:|:|: wrote in message |:|:|: <SNIP>Control Panel, then select "User Accounts". <SNIP>

|:|:| "Alan C. Brown" <[email protected]>
|:|:| wrote in message |:|:| Both User Accounts are "Computer Administrator Accounts".
|:|:| However the corrupt Temporary Internet Files Folder does not
|:|:| show up when I logon under HER User Account Name.<SNIP>

|:|: "Carrie Garth" <[email protected]>
|:|: wrote in message |:|: After you log on under HER user account <SNIP> display hidden
|:|: files and folders <SNIP>

|:| "Alan C. Brown" <[email protected]>
|:| wrote in message |:| <SNIP> Also, I posted a message in the
|:| microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.browser
|:| newsgroup, and received the following reply :
|:| ----------------------
|:| Alan,
|:| Deleting the TIF folder for the affected user account, followed by
|:| a restart, should fix things.
|:| See: http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/delcache.htm
|:|
|:| You should also run a smaller cache. 50-60 MB is sufficient for
|:| most users.
|:|
|:| Don
|:| --
|:| MVP IE/OE
|:| -------------------------
|:| This seems to be a more direct approach. What do you think ?

|: |: The page that Don referred you to (SECTION: Completely Deleting the
|: Temporary Internet Files and index.dat) says the same thing I did
|: (in message |: So yes, I think you should follow this advice (to delete the TIF
|: folder) and Don's advice to run a smaller cache.

| "Alan C. Brown" <[email protected]>
| wrote in message | <SNIP> it worked in sofar ascreating the TIF Folder <SNIP> However,
| when I logon under My User Account Name, I still can only see the
| TIF Folder. <SNIP>

Glad to hear the deleting the corrupt TIF folders worked.

As for only being able to see the Temporary Internet Files (and not
Content.IE5, etc.)...

If you must view all of your own TIF files and subfolders while logged
into your own account then use the command prompt (cmd.exe) and the
appropriate commands.

Below is an example of the command prompt (the text before the >) and
the command (the text after the >) that I type to view the folders on
my computer. Of course on your output instead of displaying Carrie it
will have your username; and you must press the Enter key after typing
the command. Note: Outlook Express will wrap the lines in this
message, but you should not.

Click Start, click Run, type the following command and click OK: cmd

C:\Documents and Settings\Carrie>

C:\Documents and Settings\Carrie>cd "Local Settings"

C:\Documents and Settings\Carrie\Local Settings>cd "Temporary Internet
Files"

C:\Documents and Settings\Carrie\Local Settings\Temporary Internet
Files>cd Content.IE5

C:\Documents and Settings\Carrie\Local Settings\Temporary Internet
Files>cd Content.IE5>dir /a /s /o:gn

Note: If your TIF folder has a large number of files your command
prompt screen buffer (the number of lines stored in memory and shown
on the screen) will not be able to display all of the output. In that
case (and perhaps for ease-of-use in all cases), redirect the output
to a file. To do that, instead of using the last command I gave you
use the following command. After doing that you will find a text file
named C:\TIFfiles.txt that you can open in notepad and read.

C:\Documents and Settings\Carrie\Local Settings\Temporary Internet
Files>cd Content.IE5>dir /a /s /o:gn > C:\TIFfiles.txt

 

[Alan C. Brown]

|:|:|:|:|:| "Alan C. Brown" <[email protected]>
|:|:|:|:|:| wrote in |:|:|:|:|:| <SNIP> I immediately cancelled the Cleanup. Was it
|:|:|:|:|:| actually compressing old files ? When & where are the
|:|:|:|:|:| "Cleanup |:|:|:|:|:| Options" <SNIP>

|:|:|:|:|: |:|:|:|:|: <SNIP> The box <SNIP> was only calculating <SNIP> If you
|:|:|:|:|: let this initial process complete you will get the Disk
|:|:|:|:|: Cleanup Options dialog box <SNIP> [if] Disk Cleanup stops
|:|:|:|:|: responding while compressing old files. <SNIP>
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?Product=winxp&scid=kb;en-us;812248

|:|:|:|:| "Alan C. Brown" <[email protected]>
|:|:|:|:| wrote |:|:|:|:| <SNIP> cleanup froze <SNIP> I tried to manually delete the
|:|:|:|:| contents of the Temporay Internet Files folder with only
|:|:|:|:| partial success<SNIP> running "cleanup" again only revealed
|:|:|:|:| the very recent TIFs <SNIP>

|:|:|:|: "Carrie Garth" <[email protected]>
|:|:|:|: wrote |:|:|:|: Sounds like <SNIP> Windows generated a new index.dat file
|:|:|:|: that does not contain information about the old cache.
|:|:|:|: <SNIP> [Try this:] - Log on to the computer using an account
|:|:|:|: other than the one with the corrupt TIF folder, and one which
|:|:|:|: also has administrative privileges - Delete the corrupt
|:|:|:|: Temporary Internet Files folder <SNIP>

|:|:|:| |:|:|:| <SNIP> How can I tell if these accounts have administrative
|:|:|:| privileges ?<SNIP>

|:|:|: "Carrie Garth" <[email protected]>
|:|:|: wrote in message |:|:|: <SNIP>Control Panel, then select "User Accounts". <SNIP>

|:|:| "Alan C. Brown" <[email protected]>
|:|:| wrote in message |:|:| Both User Accounts are "Computer Administrator Accounts".
|:|:| However the corrupt Temporary Internet Files Folder does not
|:|:| show up when I logon under HER User Account Name.<SNIP>

|:|: "Carrie Garth" <[email protected]>
|:|: wrote in message |:|: After you log on under HER user account <SNIP> display hidden
|:|: files and folders <SNIP>

|:| "Alan C. Brown" <[email protected]>
|:| wrote in message |:| <SNIP> Also, I posted a message in the
|:| microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.browser
|:| newsgroup, and received the following reply :
|:| ----------------------
|:| Alan,
|:| Deleting the TIF folder for the affected user account, followed by
|:| a restart, should fix things.
|:| See: http://mvps.org/winhelp2002/delcache.htm
|:|
|:| You should also run a smaller cache. 50-60 MB is sufficient for
|:| most users.
|:|
|:| Don
|:| --
|:| MVP IE/OE
|:| -------------------------
|:| This seems to be a more direct approach. What do you think ?

|: |: The page that Don referred you to (SECTION: Completely Deleting the
|: Temporary Internet Files and index.dat) says the same thing I did
|: (in message |: So yes, I think you should follow this advice (to delete the TIF
|: folder) and Don's advice to run a smaller cache.

| "Alan C. Brown" <[email protected]>
| wrote in message | <SNIP> it worked in sofar ascreating the TIF Folder <SNIP> However,
| when I logon under My User Account Name, I still can only see the
| TIF Folder. <SNIP>

----------------------------------------------------

Glad to hear the deleting the corrupt TIF folders worked.

As for only being able to see the Temporary Internet Files (and not
Content.IE5, etc.)...

If you must view all of your own TIF files and subfolders while logged
into your own account then use the command prompt (cmd.exe) and the
appropriate commands.

Below is an example of the command prompt (the text before the >) and
the command (the text after the >) that I type to view the folders on
my computer. Of course on your output instead of displaying Carrie it
will have your username; and you must press the Enter key after typing
the command. Note: Outlook Express will wrap the lines in this
message, but you should not.

Click Start, click Run, type the following command and click OK: cmd

C:\Documents and Settings\Carrie>

C:\Documents and Settings\Carrie>cd "Local Settings"

C:\Documents and Settings\Carrie\Local Settings>cd "Temporary Internet
Files"

C:\Documents and Settings\Carrie\Local Settings\Temporary Internet
Files>cd Content.IE5

C:\Documents and Settings\Carrie\Local Settings\Temporary Internet
Files>cd Content.IE5>dir /a /s /o:gn

Note: If your TIF folder has a large number of files your command
prompt screen buffer (the number of lines stored in memory and shown
on the screen) will not be able to display all of the output. In that
case (and perhaps for ease-of-use in all cases), redirect the output
to a file. To do that, instead of using the last command I gave you
use the following command. After doing that you will find a text file
named C:\TIFfiles.txt that you can open in notepad and read.

C:\Documents and Settings\Carrie\Local Settings\Temporary Internet
Files>cd Content.IE5>dir /a /s /o:gn > C:\TIFfiles.txt

-------------------------------------------
Thanks for the info.
My concern is more that things are not normal with the way my TIF Folder
contents are displayed under my user account name.

Alan C. Brown

 

[Carrie Garth]

<SNIP>

|:| "Alan C. Brown" <[email protected]>
|:| wrote in message |:| <SNIP> it worked in so far as creating the TIF Folder <SNIP>
|:| However,when I logon under My User Account Name, I still can only
|:| see the TIF Folder. <SNIP>

|: message |: Glad to hear the deleting the corrupt TIF folders worked.
|: As for only being able to see the Temporary Internet Files (and
|: not Content.IE5, etc.)... If you must view all of your own TIF
|: files and subfolders while logged into your own account then use
|: the command prompt (cmd.exe) <SNIP>

| | Thanks for the info. My concern is more that things are not normal
| with the way my TIF Folder contents are displayed under my user
| account name.

AFAIK "things" are normal. That is, on both of my computer running
Windows XP Professional SP1 (and all pertinent updates) and both
configured to show hidden files in the Folder Options dialog box, for
the user logged on only the Temporary Internet Files folder is visible
using Windows Explorer.

Furthermore, according to the following archived newsgroup reply on
the subject, posted by a Internet Explorer MVP, this is normal
behavior in WinXP:

Link to post via Google Groups Archives:
http://www.google.com/[email protected]

----- Begin Original Message -----
From: Frank Saunders, MS-MVP IE/OE
Subject: Re: Content.IE5 does not exist
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.browser
Date: 2003-12-29 08:16:19 PST

<SNIP>
On WinXP you can only see Content.IE5 for your user if you logon as a
different user with administrative privileges. And you will have to
have set Windows Explorer to show hidden files and folders.
<SNIP>

----- End Original Message -----

BTW, you might be able to view your own Temporary Internet File folder
while logged in using your own by doing this - Click Start, click Run,
type the following command and click OK:

Shell:Cache\Content.IE5

 

[Alan C. Brown]

<SNIP>

|:| "Alan C. Brown" <[email protected]>
|:| wrote in message |:| <SNIP> it worked in so far as creating the TIF Folder <SNIP>
|:| However,when I logon under My User Account Name, I still can only
|:| see the TIF Folder. <SNIP>

|: message |: Glad to hear the deleting the corrupt TIF folders worked.
|: As for only being able to see the Temporary Internet Files (and
|: not Content.IE5, etc.)... If you must view all of your own TIF
|: files and subfolders while logged into your own account then use
|: the command prompt (cmd.exe) <SNIP>

| | Thanks for the info. My concern is more that things are not normal
| with the way my TIF Folder contents are displayed under my user
| account name.

AFAIK "things" are normal. That is, on both of my computer running
Windows XP Professional SP1 (and all pertinent updates) and both
configured to show hidden files in the Folder Options dialog box, for
the user logged on only the Temporary Internet Files folder is visible
using Windows Explorer.

Furthermore, according to the following archived newsgroup reply on
the subject, posted by a Internet Explorer MVP, this is normal
behavior in WinXP:

Link to post via Google Groups Archives:
http://www.google.com/[email protected]

----- Begin Original Message -----
From: Frank Saunders, MS-MVP IE/OE
Subject: Re: Content.IE5 does not exist
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.windows.inetexplorer.ie6.browser
Date: 2003-12-29 08:16:19 PST

<SNIP>
On WinXP you can only see Content.IE5 for your user if you logon as a
different user with administrative privileges. And you will have to
have set Windows Explorer to show hidden files and folders.
<SNIP>

----- End Original Message -----

BTW, you might be able to view your own Temporary Internet File folder
while logged in using your own by doing this - Click Start, click Run,
type the following command and click OK:

Shell:Cache\Content.IE5

----------------------------

Well it's comforting to hear that it's normal behaviour.

Great, Shell:Cache\Content.IE5 works.

Thanks again for your help

Alan C. Brown