WIN VISTA COMPLAINT. DONT USE IT!!!


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Guest

I can not see how to aware consumers to not buy ANY computer that has Windows
Vista. It not only affects my job, it also affects my time, I have to keep
looking for vista errors in the internet and see how can I "fix them", even
Microsoft don't know about the errors that vista is popping out: E.g. I just
buy a MICROSOFT web cam LifeCam VX-1000 that in the package has the "works
with windows vista" -kind of- advertising, and when I tried to installed it,
I just couldn't because WINDOWS VISTA says that this web cam has
compatibility issues... Or else, I can not run the Apache, actually when I
try to run it, a pop up ERROR window comes out and says something like "the
operation was SUCCESSFULLY applied ", how can a Error window, have a
Successful message???... And believe me like this, MANY more.
I also believe that I'm not going to have any answer to this complaint by
anyone from Microsoft... but If some one reads this, believe me guys, don't
even try to use it. If you are going to buy a new computer be sure that at
least has the windows XP, but I'll go for a MAC for sure!
 
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Mike Hall

For LifeCam drivers that work with Vista..

http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/digitalcommunication/downloads/default.mspx


Eduardo C said:
I can not see how to aware consumers to not buy ANY computer that has
Windows
Vista. It not only affects my job, it also affects my time, I have to keep
looking for vista errors in the internet and see how can I "fix them",
even
Microsoft don't know about the errors that vista is popping out: E.g. I
just
buy a MICROSOFT web cam LifeCam VX-1000 that in the package has the "works
with windows vista" -kind of- advertising, and when I tried to installed
it,
I just couldn't because WINDOWS VISTA says that this web cam has
compatibility issues... Or else, I can not run the Apache, actually when I
try to run it, a pop up ERROR window comes out and says something like
"the
operation was SUCCESSFULLY applied ", how can a Error window, have a
Successful message???... And believe me like this, MANY more.
I also believe that I'm not going to have any answer to this complaint by
anyone from Microsoft... but If some one reads this, believe me guys,
don't
even try to use it. If you are going to buy a new computer be sure that at
least has the windows XP, but I'll go for a MAC for sure!

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/
 
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mikeyhsd

you are the one responsible for making sure you computer is up to date with the latest drives and programs not MS.

try upgrading your drivers from the manufacturers web site(s), not MS.
then do the same for your programs.



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I can not see how to aware consumers to not buy ANY computer that has Windows
Vista. It not only affects my job, it also affects my time, I have to keep
looking for vista errors in the internet and see how can I "fix them", even
Microsoft don't know about the errors that vista is popping out: E.g. I just
buy a MICROSOFT web cam LifeCam VX-1000 that in the package has the "works
with windows vista" -kind of- advertising, and when I tried to installed it,
I just couldn't because WINDOWS VISTA says that this web cam has
compatibility issues... Or else, I can not run the Apache, actually when I
try to run it, a pop up ERROR window comes out and says something like "the
operation was SUCCESSFULLY applied ", how can a Error window, have a
Successful message???... And believe me like this, MANY more.
I also believe that I'm not going to have any answer to this complaint by
anyone from Microsoft... but If some one reads this, believe me guys, don't
even try to use it. If you are going to buy a new computer be sure that at
least has the windows XP, but I'll go for a MAC for sure!
 
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Guest

Mike,
That's a lame response. :) Microsoft (like many other hardware
manufactures) have a habit of telling customers that their products are Vista
ready/compatible without actually doing any testing. The MS lifecam is just
one of those products that doesn't work very well with Vista 32/64. Yes--they
now have an update but users are still have problems. Microsoft's Vista
upgrade wizard is another joke. Have you ever checked/viewed the trouble
history on those so called Vista compliant machines that people like Compusa,
Gateway, HP or Sony sell? Those machines just sit there pretty--try do
something worth while and you find yourself either rebooting the hardware or
software. You'll see that the Windows OS (and computer manufacture installed
software) has its share of BSODs. I finally got tired of the BSODs on my
Vista 32 and 64 configured machines and decided to go back to XP/Pro. If I
didn't have so much invested in my latest high-end rig--I'd move over to Mac
in a heartbeat. Drivers and hardware are only part of the problem. Even some
of Microsoft's own default hardware drivers have serious issues.

Glenn
 
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Guest

Hi Eduardo,

You did not state which version of Vista was loaded onto your machine.
Let's assume that it is Vista Basic for a minute. If that is the case there
lies most of your problem as Basic is what it says it is Basic as in very
basic. A lot of computers are being sold with Vista Basic and if you had done
some research before buying your computer re; the Microsoft Version Table you
would see that Basic is the bare minimum of Vista. As far as the "error
message" asking if the program installed correctly, read the panel properly
because it asks you whether the program installed correctly or not.
If you did get one of the other versions of Vista as you have been told here
YOU are the one responsible for getting the drivers for your hardware.
If your web cam is from Microsoft and it says that it will work with Vista
it should work and the fact that it doesn't makes me think that you do have
the Vista Basic.

Now as far as you saying "Don't use Vista" what about the people ( like
myself ) who haven't had a problem with it. You can't in all honesty make
such a widespread claim based on the couple of problem that you are having.
That's like these doctors who tell us one week that we shouldn't eat potatoes
because they are bad for us then in 6 months tell us they are alright to eat.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but please base it on concrete
evidence and not a panic reaction.
 
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Alias

mikeyhsd said:
you are the one responsible for making sure you computer is up to date
with the latest drives and programs not MS.

MS made the web cam! NO ONE else is involved!
try upgrading your drivers from the manufacturers web site(s), not MS.
then do the same for your programs.

For an MS web cam? Who should he go to besides MS, aka MICROSOFT. On the
package of the MICROSOFT web cam, it says "Vista Ready".

Do you even read the posts before you reply?

Alias
 
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Alias

Bob said:
Hi Eduardo,

You did not state which version of Vista was loaded onto your machine.
Let's assume that it is Vista Basic for a minute. If that is the case there
lies most of your problem as Basic is what it says it is Basic as in very
basic. A lot of computers are being sold with Vista Basic and if you had done
some research before buying your computer re; the Microsoft Version Table you
would see that Basic is the bare minimum of Vista. As far as the "error
message" asking if the program installed correctly, read the panel properly
because it asks you whether the program installed correctly or not.
If you did get one of the other versions of Vista as you have been told here
YOU are the one responsible for getting the drivers for your hardware.
If your web cam is from Microsoft and it says that it will work with Vista
it should work and the fact that it doesn't makes me think that you do have
the Vista Basic.

And it makes me think that the makers of the web cam (Microsoft) are
guilty of false advertising if it only works on some Vista flavors. Then
again, ALL the stores, online and brick and mortar, say they are selling
software when, in reality, the are selling licenses to use software.
Now as far as you saying "Don't use Vista" what about the people ( like
myself ) who haven't had a problem with it.

You haven't used it long enough.

You can't in all honesty make
 
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Stephan Rose

Hi Eduardo,

You did not state which version of Vista was loaded onto your machine.
Let's assume that it is Vista Basic for a minute. If that is the case there
lies most of your problem as Basic is what it says it is Basic as in very
basic. A lot of computers are being sold with Vista Basic and if you had done
some research before buying your computer re; the Microsoft Version Table you
would see that Basic is the bare minimum of Vista. As far as the "error
message" asking if the program installed correctly, read the panel properly
because it asks you whether the program installed correctly or not.
If you did get one of the other versions of Vista as you have been told here
YOU are the one responsible for getting the drivers for your hardware.
If your web cam is from Microsoft and it says that it will work with Vista
it should work and the fact that it doesn't makes me think that you do have
the Vista Basic.

Erm wait a second?

So you are saying that MS' webcam should work with Vista, but not ALL
versions of Vista? Basically only with the more expensive versions?
 
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Mike Hall - MVP

Glen

MS don't make webcams or any hardware devices.. the stuff that is branded MS
is subject to the actual manufacturer producing meaningful drivers.. so,
going to the website for latest drivers is always a good idea, and Windows
users have always had to do this..

There is a history of hardware not working on the latest OS for the reason
above, that is true..

The upgrade advisor is just that, and while not 100% accurate, it does give
an indication of what will or will not probably work. The OEM computer
suppliers should ensure that the inner components of the systems supplied
work with whatever OS is pre-installed. That some failed miserably to do
this is a reflection on themselves, not MS.

I was part of the beta test, and have been running Vista RTM full time since
Nov 17, 2006 and have yet to see a BSOD. All of the internals of my computer
and all peripherals that I use worked from day one..

The issue with MS wireless devices conflicting with screensavers was fixed
fairly quickly, but prior to the fix, the mice and keyboards did work
anyway.

Virtually all of the software that I used/ was Vista compatible. I admit
that some software wasn't, and some never will be. This is not a new
scenario. Same goes for hardware.

I am not the only Vista user that has had no problems. There are many more
like me. The fact that all of my stuff worked does not mean that all stuff
should work. What it shows is that a computer can be put together that will
work very well with the OS. the situation for many will get better in time.


GlennR said:
Mike,
That's a lame response. :) Microsoft (like many other hardware
manufactures) have a habit of telling customers that their products are
Vista
ready/compatible without actually doing any testing. The MS lifecam is
just
one of those products that doesn't work very well with Vista 32/64.
Yes--they
now have an update but users are still have problems. Microsoft's Vista
upgrade wizard is another joke. Have you ever checked/viewed the trouble
history on those so called Vista compliant machines that people like
Compusa,
Gateway, HP or Sony sell? Those machines just sit there pretty--try do
something worth while and you find yourself either rebooting the hardware
or
software. You'll see that the Windows OS (and computer manufacture
installed
software) has its share of BSODs. I finally got tired of the BSODs on my
Vista 32 and 64 configured machines and decided to go back to XP/Pro. If I
didn't have so much invested in my latest high-end rig--I'd move over to
Mac
in a heartbeat. Drivers and hardware are only part of the problem. Even
some
of Microsoft's own default hardware drivers have serious issues.

Glenn

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/
 
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Mike Hall - MVP

You haven't even gotten Vista installed.. the best that you can ever do is
blindly repeat what others say..


Alias said:
And it makes me think that the makers of the web cam (Microsoft) are
guilty of false advertising if it only works on some Vista flavors. Then
again, ALL the stores, online and brick and mortar, say they are selling
software when, in reality, the are selling licenses to use software.


You haven't used it long enough.

You can't in all honesty make

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/
 
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Alias

Mike said:
You haven't even gotten Vista installed..
So?

the best that you can ever do
is blindly repeat what others say..

I did NOT repeat anything others have said.

Fact: MS put its brand name on the web cam and labeled it "Vista Ready".

Fact: The web cam was NOT "Vista Ready".

I don't need to install Vista to understand that, your lame insults
notwithstanding.

I don't need to install *anything* to know that a bait and switch con is
happening with licenses.

Alias, waiting for Mike's apology
 
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Nina DiBoy

Alias said:
MS made the web cam! NO ONE else is involved!


For an MS web cam? Who should he go to besides MS, aka MICROSOFT. On the
package of the MICROSOFT web cam, it says "Vista Ready".

Do you even read the posts before you reply?

Alias

No he doesn't. and he posts in html, and he is one of the most sexist
posters I have ever encountered in this group!



--
Priceless quotes in m.p.w.vista.general group:
http://protectfreedom.tripod.com/kick.html

Most recent idiotic quote added to KICK (Klassic Idiotic Caption Kooks):
"Spoken like a true NixTurd (oops, NixTard)."

"Good poets borrow; great poets steal."
- T. S. Eliot
 
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Guest

Hi Alias,

If the comment you made about "Having not used it enough" was directed at me
let me just full you in on something. I do video editing as well as audio
editing which are both labor intensive as well as resourse hogging. It is
true that some of my programs wont/wouldn't work in Vista but they were way
overdue to be replaced/updated anyway.
Now if it is true what Mike Hall says and you don't even have Vista please
don't comment on something you know nothing about.
Now if you decide to install Vista and your performance rations are 5.8 and
5.9's then come and talk to me.
These forums are supposed to be for information not misinformation mate.
 
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Justin

Alias said:
I did NOT repeat anything others have said.

Fact: MS put its brand name on the web cam and labeled it "Vista Ready".

Fact: The web cam was NOT "Vista Ready".

FACT: I've installed two VX-1000 and a VX-6000 with no problems at all on
Vista Ultimate and Premium. Granted I installed the latest software
available from the site however this was two months ago.

However, NONE of my boxes have a Vista Ready sicker on them. I'm guessing
they didn’t start doing that until AFTER they started shipping with the
updated software. Maybe some boxes got shipped with the wrong CD? Who
knows, the possibility that SOMETHING ELSE is wrong is more then likely the
case.

FACT: The VX-6000 had a sheet of paper telling me to download the latest
software from the web in order to use with Vista.
 
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Justin

Alias said:
MS made the web cam! NO ONE else is involved!


For an MS web cam? Who should he go to besides MS, aka MICROSOFT. On the
package of the MICROSOFT web cam, it says "Vista Ready".

Do you even read the posts before you reply?

Alias

Here's alias looking for a fight again.

You tell someone they should read first when you obviously didn’t read it
yourself. Or didn't understand what you read.

I bought a few of those cameras and NONE of them had a Vista Ready sticker
on the package. Plus the OP stated:

"that in the package has the "works with windows vista" -kind of-
advertising"

See where it says "IN" the package.

I bought two VX-1000 and one VX-6000. The VX-6000 had a "works with windows
vista -kind of- advertising" sheet inside and told me to download the latest
software from MS. All cameras worked fine with Vista.
 
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Alias

Justin said:
FACT: I've installed two VX-1000 and a VX-6000 with no problems at all
on Vista Ultimate and Premium. Granted I installed the latest software
available from the site however this was two months ago.

However, NONE of my boxes have a Vista Ready sicker on them. I'm
guessing they didn’t start doing that until AFTER they started shipping
with the updated software. Maybe some boxes got shipped with the wrong
CD? Who knows, the possibility that SOMETHING ELSE is wrong is more
then likely the case.

FACT: The VX-6000 had a sheet of paper telling me to download the
latest software from the web in order to use with Vista.

Well, bully for you. Wanna a gold star, troll?

Alias
 
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Mike Hall - MVP

You didn't know that the boxes weren't marked 'Vista Ready' did you? or that
the part number for the installation CD is for a product made prior to Vista
and therefore couldn't include the latest drivers.. but this applies to all
peripheral devices made and boxed before the release of any OS, and always
has, hence the importance of visiting manufacturer websites for new driver
releases..

You could have told the OP that, yes?


Alias said:
Well, bully for you. Wanna a gold star, troll?

Alias

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/
 
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Justin

Alias said:
The OP said it was. Read his post again.

As I already pointed out to you, he did not. He most likely found the same
insert I had.

Read again yourself alias: "in the package"
 

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