What's the best freeware defragger to use in Windows XP Pro. SP2with limited free disk spaces?

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Terry R.

The date and time was Friday, March 13, 2009 9:09:17 AM, and on a whim,
Terry R. pounded out on the keyboard:
The date and time was Thursday, March 12, 2009 10:06:47 PM, and on a
whim, Daave pounded out on the keyboard:


The proper way to change a Subject is:

original topic
Re: original topic
new topic (was: original topic)
Re: new topic

Now when you reply, the "was:" section is removed by a "proper
newsreader", and the changed Subject thread is started. Usually used
for OT discussion, and is prefaced accordingly.

Terry R.

This is how the Subject should look when it's changed like I describe above.

OE doesn't know what it's supposed to do...


Terry R.
 
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Terry R.

The date and time was Saturday, March 14, 2009 6:11:57 AM, and on a
whim, Daave pounded out on the keyboard:
Now I will reply from my other PC that has OE w/ QuoteFix to see what
happens.

Hmmm... The OT designation is no longer in the subject! Also, if I use a
different reader altogether, the "was" section will be removed?

Dave,

See my reply to my above post when I changed the Subject. You can see
how it should have changed, as opposed to how OE didn't change it (but
removed the OT).


Terry R.
 
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Gerry

Daave

If the practice of including the content of previous messages in the current
message were abandoned would this issue arise? The justification for
inclusion of the content of previous messages normally expressed by those
complaining when it has been snipped is that they cannot see what has gone
before. The answer is that all they need to do is to re-open the earlier
messages. Of course if the user has already removed the earlier messages
then that option may not be available.

When a number of users are contributing to a thread then normally not all
that has been said gets included in the message. This means that those
relying on the current content of the latest message get a "blinkered" view
of what has gone before. You frequently can see the effects of this in the
responses posted where one contributor continues to pursue a point when, had
they looked elsewhere in the thread, they would know that the point has
already been resolved.

The ability to see the structure of the thread and sub-threads that Outlook
Express facilitates is extremely useful. I would happily remove the content
of past messages from posts were it not for the reaction I know it would
provoke.


--


Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 
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Twayne

Gerry said:
Daave

If the practice of including the content of previous messages in the
current message were abandoned would this issue arise? The
justification for inclusion of the content of previous messages
normally expressed by those complaining when it has been snipped is
that they cannot see what has gone before. The answer is that all
they need to do is to re-open the earlier messages. Of course if the
user has already removed the earlier messages then that option may
not be available.
When a number of users are contributing to a thread then normally not
all that has been said gets included in the message. This means that
those relying on the current content of the latest message get a
"blinkered" view of what has gone before. You frequently can see the
effects of this in the responses posted where one contributor
continues to pursue a point when, had they looked elsewhere in the
thread, they would know that the point has already been resolved.

The ability to see the structure of the thread and sub-threads that
Outlook Express facilitates is extremely useful. I would happily
remove the content of past messages from posts were it not for the
reaction I know it would provoke.

The right way to respond to a message is to snip away that content which
you are not responding to. Leave anything to do with what you are
responding to. If you have several comments about several points in a
post, then leave it in tact and intersperse your responses within the
quoted text, leaving a blank line before and after each of your
repsponses to make them easy to find/see. Or, if you'd rather put all
your comments together in one place, go to the bottom of the quote and
put them there. But be sure to refer back to parts of the quoted
material so it's clear what you're talking about. It isn't necessary to
leave the names of every poster to a thread in tact; only the person/s
you are responding to.
Never delete everything and simply offer your own text back. It
leaves your comments stranded, without any reference to what they are
about.
This is all part of the netiquette RFC if you care to look at it.
Some newsgroups insist on following it strictly, some don't particularly
care how you post but those often result in posts that require so much
study on the part of a reader that many will pass them by without
bothering to read them.
Although there is no way to enforce it, a group's culture is often
such that top posting, neglecting to snip, snipping too much, etc., will
draw criticism rather than useful answers, especially of the responses
are off topic and have nothing to do with the original poster's query.
Newsgroups' purposes are the dissemination of information. Some do a
great job of it, some do not.
The concensus of a newsgroup's participants normally dictate the
accepted norms; never a single person.

Personally, whatever methods a group seems to prefer is what I use. If
they top post, I'll top post. If they bottom post, I'll do that. If
they intersperse comments within the original post, I'll do that.

http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html part 3

http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/ie/community/columns/newsgroups101.mspx

and others.

HTH,

Twayne
 
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Gerry

Daave

We are not going to agree so let's leave it that that.


--


Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 
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Terry R.

The date and time was Saturday, March 14, 2009 4:24:02 PM, and on a
whim, Daave pounded out on the keyboard:
Okiedokie, I'm now using XNews, which I normally use only for
binaries. Looks like XNews is a real newsreader! (Now if I could only
replicate the OE layout, which I have always found much more user-
friendly...)

Where I think OEw/QF is superior is that it allows you to undo the
deletion of everything below an improperly placed sig (Hello,
Gerry!). That is, click Undo and the rest of the post comes back.

Hi Dave,

I know I'll never get hardly any OE/WM users to change the sig delimiter
issue (of course stumbling on the Subject changing issue is a new flaw).

I just want them to understand the limitations and hardships those
clients cause in newsgroups. If EVERYONE used ONLY MS clients, then
yes, what complaints would anyone have (unless we change a Subject OT
;-) ). But we have a choice, and I think knowledgeable users should try
to assist other users of less knowledge, rather than telling them to
"deal with" the flaws of the client built into Windows.

The undo feature does sound like a good one. It it built in or did you
mention that it is a feature of Quotefix?

Terry R.
 
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Terry R.

The date and time was Sunday, March 15, 2009 3:11:44 PM, and on a whim,
Gerry pounded out on the keyboard:
Daave

We are not going to agree so let's leave it that that.

Agree on what?


Terry R.
 
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Terry R.

The date and time was Saturday, March 14, 2009 4:30:59 PM, and on a
whim, Daave pounded out on the keyboard:
Logic, schmogic, the newsreader and convention dictate what a thread
is.

There, I did it, Terry!

AND, it (the Subject change), is a good suggestion!


Terry R.
 
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Daave

Terry said:
Hi Dave,

I know I'll never get hardly any OE/WM users to change the sig
delimiter issue (of course stumbling on the Subject changing issue is
a new flaw).
I just want them to understand the limitations and hardships those
clients cause in newsgroups. If EVERYONE used ONLY MS clients, then
yes, what complaints would anyone have (unless we change a Subject OT
;-) ). But we have a choice, and I think knowledgeable users should
try to assist other users of less knowledge, rather than telling them
to "deal with" the flaws of the client built into Windows.

The undo feature does sound like a good one. It it built in or did
you mention that it is a feature of Quotefix?

Yes, QuoteFix (which I am using now) has that feature. So, if I would
have hit Undo immediately after clicking Reply Group (Reply Group merely
brings up the composition window) to this post of yours, your sig would
come back and instead of "Terry R. wrote:" appearing at the top, there
would be a blank line followed by:


So if an unsophisticated user (he knows who he is!) places a
sig-with-delimiter in the wrong location and I want to reconstruct the
thread because I want to address a particular point that would otherwise
disappear, Undo comes in handy.

BTW, thanks again for explaining how the Subject Line changes with
regard to different news clients. (As I am looking at my Subject Line
*now*, it reads "Re: OT: What's a Thread." I assume the "OT" will later
be removed since QuoteFix doesn't seem to corret this particular OE
flaw.)
 
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Terry R.

The date and time was Monday, March 16, 2009 8:33:50 AM, and on a whim,
Daave pounded out on the keyboard:
Yes, QuoteFix (which I am using now) has that feature. So, if I would
have hit Undo immediately after clicking Reply Group (Reply Group merely
brings up the composition window) to this post of yours, your sig would
come back and instead of "Terry R. wrote:" appearing at the top, there
would be a blank line followed by:


So if an unsophisticated user (he knows who he is!) places a
sig-with-delimiter in the wrong location and I want to reconstruct the
thread because I want to address a particular point that would otherwise
disappear, Undo comes in handy.

BTW, thanks again for explaining how the Subject Line changes with
regard to different news clients. (As I am looking at my Subject Line
*now*, it reads "Re: OT: What's a Thread." I assume the "OT" will later
be removed since QuoteFix doesn't seem to corret this particular OE
flaw.)

I think OE will only remove "OT" when it's before the "Re:". At least
that's what happened when you replied to me. I'll change this Subject
and we'll verify that.

If you respond using OE, I'm guessing OT will be removed, and the old
thread name in parenthesis will remain, two things a "proper newsreader"
doesn't do.

You're welcome on the Subject line change explanation. I have to keep
it handy because I forget so quickly!


Terry R.
 
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Daave

Terry said:
I think OE will only remove "OT" when it's before the "Re:". At least
that's what happened when you replied to me. I'll change this Subject
and we'll verify that.

If you respond using OE, I'm guessing OT will be removed, and the old
thread name in parenthesis will remain, two things a "proper
newsreader" doesn't do.

You're welcome on the Subject line change explanation. I have to keep
it handy because I forget so quickly!

Yup. "OT" went bye bye (and that's _with_ QuoteFix)!
 
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Terry R.

The date and time was Monday, March 16, 2009 11:05:56 AM, and on a whim,
Daave pounded out on the keyboard:
Yup. "OT" went bye bye (and that's _with_ QuoteFix)!

Maybe this bug is undocumented? I have no idea why OE would remove the
OT (maybe nothing is OT to MS clients ;-) ). I won't hold my breath for
a fix...


Terry R.
 
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Bob I

Terry said:
The date and time was Monday, March 16, 2009 11:05:56 AM, and on a whim,
Daave pounded out on the keyboard:


Maybe this bug is undocumented? I have no idea why OE would remove the
OT (maybe nothing is OT to MS clients ;-) ). I won't hold my breath for
a fix...


Terry R.

Thanks Terry, you made my day! ;-)
 
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Phillip Pi

"Good news, everyone!"

Defraggler was able to to defrag huge files with tight free disk spaces.
Surprisingly my huge VMware images only had like five fragments. Much
better than the other defraggers.
--
Phillip Pi (aka Ant)
Senior Software Quality Assurance Analyst
Partner Engineering/Internet Service Provider/Symantec Online Services,
Consumer Business Unit
Symantec Corporation
www.symantec.com
 
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Terry R.

The date and time was Monday, March 16, 2009 6:00:09 PM, and on a whim,
G. Morgan pounded out on the keyboard:
Are you kidding me? Doesn't Symantec manufacture a defragmenter utility?

Yes (at least they used to in NU), but they won't allow a larger drive
on his computer...


Terry R.
 
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Gerry

Philip

Glad to hear that.


--


Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 
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Ant

Are you kidding me? Doesn't Symantec manufacture a defragmenter utility?

Yes, but have you ever used it before? :p Not very good defragger IMO
especially with tight free disk spaces.
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"The antics begin!" --SimAnt Game
/\___/\
/ /\ /\ \ Phil/Ant @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site)
| |o o| | Ant's Quality Foraged Links (AQFL): http://aqfl.net
\ _ / Nuke ANT from e-mail address: (e-mail address removed)
( ) or (e-mail address removed)
Ant is currently not listening to any songs on his home computer.
 

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