What's the best freeware defragger to use in Windows XP Pro. SP2with limited free disk spaces?

[Ant]

Hello.

Yesterday, I was defragging my office computer with XP Pro. SP2's
default disk defragger, but it was too fragmented with many huge files
(mostly VMware v5.5.9 images) and had limited free disk spaces. Are
there any better ones that doesn't cost a cent? My PC feels slower and I
think it is because of the severe fragmentations.

Thank you in advance.
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[Patrick Keenan]

Hello.

Yesterday, I was defragging my office computer with XP Pro. SP2's default
disk defragger, but it was too fragmented with many huge files (mostly
VMware v5.5.9 images) and had limited free disk spaces. Are there any
better ones that doesn't cost a cent? My PC feels slower and I think it is
because of the severe fragmentations.

It's the one that comes with XP.

This won't run with less than 15% free space, and if your drive is that
cramped, you should move files elsewhere.

Get another hard drive to store the VMware images. Where I am,
half-terabyte drives are under $100, decent cases around $30, and that would
end your problem for some time. If this is an office computer, it's
probably a tax-deductible business expense.

HTH
-pk

 

[Jose]

It's the one that comes with XP.

This won't run with less than 15% free space, and if your drive is that
cramped, you should move files elsewhere.

Get another hard drive to store the VMware images.  Where I am,
half-terabyte drives are under $100, decent cases around $30, and that would
end your problem for some time.    If this is an office computer, it's
probably a tax-deductible business expense.

HTH
-pk

Is this your desktop computer your office computer?

Why are you not running SP3? Why are so many that people that post
problems here not even current on software updates that are free and
highly recommended?

You are not current on your MS software. Your IT people, or somebody
you probably know, needs to fix this. I don't know of too many people
that are going to be happy to help you figure out why old software
does not work as you expect it to or believe it should.

Why do you have think you have VMWare images on your office computer?
Are you the VMWare administrator? Do you keep VMWare images on your
personal desktop computer? Do you know what a VMWare image is or do
you just see some big files that don't want to defragment and you
think they should?

VMWare usually runs on a separate and powerful VMWare server and
supplies the resources of an actual physical servers (boxes) as
virtual machines where physical servers are not available or possible
due to cost, environmental or personality factors. is your desktop a
VMWare server?

If you want VMWare to be happy, a VMWare server should be dedicated to
being a VMWare server only - happy with it's virtual machines and not
much else. You should not be touching it or defragmenting it if you
don't know what you are up to.

Do any of these situations apply to your environment?

Do you have a VMWare problem or is your desktop just not performing to
your expectations?

 

[Swifty]

Are there any better ones that doesn't cost a cent? My PC feels slower and I
think it is because of the severe fragmentations.

http://www.kessels.com/Jkdefrag/

But no defragmenter can be bothered to defragment huge files on a disk
with little free space.

If you are a gambler you could offload the large images to a memory key,
defragment the disk, then copy them back. Memory keys sometimes lose data.

The standard XP defragmenter defragments the files, but doesn't
defragment the free space. This is where JKDefrag is better; it
defragments the files, and as far as possible conglomerates the free
space as well.

 

[Gerry]

Ant

How limited is the free disk? Like Patrick I have long been an advocate of
using the Microsoft Disk Defragmenter. There are ways of getting round the
15% rule but it would be helpful to see a Disk Defragmenter report before I
make suggestions.

Open Disk Defragmenter and click on Analyse. Select View Report and click
on Save As and Save. Now find VolumeC.txt in your My Documents Folder and
post a copy. Do this before running Disk Defragmenter as it is more
informative.

An interesting relatively new entrant to the market is Defraggler
(freeware for home users) which I am currently testing. It is worth
looking at and does not with any negative reports. It also comes
from the software house providing cCleaner:
http://www.defraggler.com/features


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Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 

[Ant]

Is this your desktop computer your office computer?

Office. Employer has no budget to get me a bigger/new HDD.

Why are you not running SP3? Why are so many that people that post
problems here not even current on software updates that are free and
highly recommended?

IT doesn't support it yet.

You are not current on your MS software. Your IT people, or somebody
you probably know, needs to fix this. I don't know of too many people
that are going to be happy to help you figure out why old software
does not work as you expect it to or believe it should.

What old software doesn't work in XP Pro. SP2? I do keep it updated when
critical updates appear in Automatic Updates.

Why do you have think you have VMWare images on your office computer?
Are you the VMWare administrator? Do you keep VMWare images on your
personal desktop computer? Do you know what a VMWare image is or do
you just see some big files that don't want to defragment and you
think they should?

They are for VMware Workstation and I do testings. According to XP's
defragger, these huge files are very fragmented and can't be defragged
due to low free disk spaces.

VMWare usually runs on a separate and powerful VMWare server and
supplies the resources of an actual physical servers (boxes) as
virtual machines where physical servers are not available or possible
due to cost, environmental or personality factors. is your desktop a
VMWare server?
No.



Do any of these situations apply to your environment?
Nope.


Do you have a VMWare problem or is your desktop just not performing to
your expectations?

My computer HDD can be slow. PC is like 3-4 years old. It's a Dell
Optiplex GX270 I think.
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[Ant]

Ant

How limited is the free disk? Like Patrick I have long been an advocate of
using the Microsoft Disk Defragmenter. There are ways of getting round the
15% rule but it would be helpful to see a Disk Defragmenter report before I
make suggestions.

I believe I had 8 GB free on the D: drive. I don't remember what the
total size on this partition.

Open Disk Defragmenter and click on Analyse. Select View Report and click
on Save As and Save. Now find VolumeC.txt in your My Documents Folder and
post a copy. Do this before running Disk Defragmenter as it is more
informative.

OK, I will do that tomorrow.

An interesting relatively new entrant to the market is Defraggler
(freeware for home users) which I am currently testing. It is worth
looking at and does not with any negative reports. It also comes
from the software house providing cCleaner:
http://www.defraggler.com/features

Does it handle low free disk space situations?
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[Daave]

On 3/7/2009 11:09 AM PT, Jose typed:

IT doesn't support it yet.

That's a pretty lame IT department! The good news is updates for SP2 are
still available. But the end date for that keeps getting closer...

 

[Jim]

Hello.

Yesterday, I was defragging my office computer with XP Pro. SP2's
default disk defragger, but it was too fragmented with many huge files
(mostly VMware v5.5.9 images) and had limited free disk spaces. Are
there any better ones that doesn't cost a cent? My PC feels slower and I
think it is because of the severe fragmentations.

Thank you in advance.

Defraggler is a good one .

 

[Swifty]

That's a pretty lame IT department! The good news is updates for SP2 are
still available. But the end date for that keeps getting closer...

Our "IT Department" supports well over 100,000 systems worldwide.
Some of our corporate applications come from 3rd party suppliers who
have not yet upgraded their code to cope with SP3
Some of the applications are known to fail on SP3

Would you force SP3 into such an environment? What lame excuses would
you use when people asked you why their applications no longer worked?

 

[Bill in Co.]

Our "IT Department" supports well over 100,000 systems worldwide.
Some of our corporate applications come from 3rd party suppliers who
have not yet upgraded their code to cope with SP3
Some of the applications are known to fail on SP3

Would you force SP3 into such an environment? What lame excuses would
you use when people asked you why their applications no longer worked?

Because some people buy into the mantra that if you don't "upgrade" your
system it will become a unprotected virus haven. And you'll lose free
support from MS, since the "upgrade" extends that date.

 

[Daave]

Our "IT Department" supports well over 100,000 systems worldwide.
Some of our corporate applications come from 3rd party suppliers who
have not yet upgraded their code to cope with SP3
Some of the applications are known to fail on SP3

Would you force SP3 into such an environment? What lame excuses would
you use when people asked you why their applications no longer worked?

When you put it that way, *your* "IT Department" isn't lame. However, in
this case, the third-party suppliers who have had plenty of time to
upgrade their code and have chosen not to are the lame ones. For
security reasons, your IT department *will* need to eventually upgrade
these 100,000 systems worldwide to either XP with SP3 or something else.
It would be nice if these third-party chumps would get on board. If not,
I'm curious to know what the competition offers.

 

[V Green]

Because some people buy into the mantra that if you don't "upgrade" your
system it will become a unprotected virus haven. And you'll lose free
support from MS, since the "upgrade" extends that date.

What "support" would that be?

From what I see, we've been mostly on our
own for years now...unless the problem is so
pathetically simple a 5 year old could fix it.

 

[Ant]

That's a pretty lame IT department! The good news is updates for SP2 are
still available. But the end date for that keeps getting closer...

Yeah. I know IT will force SP3 when SP2 ends its support. For now, SP2.
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[Ant]

Defraggler is a good one .

Do you know if it can handle limited free disk space?
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[Danny Krychek]

Do you know if it can handle limited free disk space?

Got GOOGLE?

 

[Ant]

Got GOOGLE?

Yes, but I didn't see the answer. Even its own Web site doesn't say it.
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[Danny Krychek]

Yes, but I didn't see the answer. Even its own Web site doesn't say it.

If the author's site doesn't brag about something - and the ability to
defrag with limited free space would give huge bragging rights - then
it can't.

 

[Phillip Pi]

Gerry,

Here you go:

Volume SYSTEM (C
Volume size = 12.00 GB
Cluster size = 512 bytes
Used space = 9.63 GB
Free space = 2.37 GB
Percent free space = 19 %

Volume fragmentation
Total fragmentation = 7 %
File fragmentation = 15 %
Free space fragmentation = 0 %

File fragmentation
Total files = 77,007
Average file size = 180 KB
Total fragmented files = 1,206
Total excess fragments = 307,892
Average fragments per file = 4.99

Pagefile fragmentation
Pagefile size = 200 MB
Total fragments = 9

Folder fragmentation
Total folders = 4,443
Fragmented folders = 13
Excess folder fragments = 33

Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
Total MFT size = 86 MB
MFT record count = 84,627
Percent MFT in use = 96 %
Total MFT fragments = 3

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fragments File Size Most fragmented files
301,225 265 MB \transaction.log
376 10 MB
\WINDOWS\PCHealth\HelpCtr\DataColl\CollectedData_41114.xml
296 2 MB \Program Files\Common Files\Symantec
Shared\VirusDefs\BinHub\cceraser.dll
261 408 KB \Program Files\Common Files\Symantec
Shared\VirusDefs\file1.log
156 913 KB \WINDOWS\KB942763.log
144 1 MB \Program Files\Common Files\Symantec
Shared\VirusDefs\BinHub\navex32a.dll
130 100 KB \Program Files\Altiris\Altiris
Agent\Logs\Agent8.log
125 100 KB \Program Files\Altiris\Altiris
Agent\Logs\Agent9.log
123 4 MB \Program Files\Common Files\Symantec
Shared\VirusDefs\BinHub\virscan9.dat
72 635 KB \WINDOWS\comsetup.log
67 491 KB \WINDOWS\KB955839.log
52 2 MB \winstuff\DebuggingTools\w2kfre\kdex2x86.dll
49 363 KB \Program Files\Common Files\Symantec
Shared\VirusDefs\BinHub\eeCtrl.sys
49 991 KB \Program Files\Common Files\Symantec
Shared\VirusDefs\BinHub\virscan1.dat
44 2 MB \WINDOWS\system32\dllcache\win32k.sys
42 324 KB \WINDOWS\SchCache\Corp.Com.sch
41 3 MB \Program Files\Reference
Assemblies\Microsoft\Framework\v3.5\System.Data.Entity.dll
41 142 KB \WINDOWS\updspapi.log
40 3 MB \WINDOWS\$hf_mig$\KB953838\SP3QFE\mshtml.dll
39 287 KB \WINDOWS\Prefetch\Layout.ini
38 2 MB \WINDOWS\system32\dllcache\ntkrnlmp.exe
37 388 KB \WINDOWS\ntdtcsetup.log
36 2 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\3e01c8ea.msi
35 253 KB \Program Files\Common Files\Symantec
Shared\VirusDefs\BinHub\ecmsvr32.dll
32 2 MB \WINDOWS\system32\wbem\Logs\FrameWork.log
31 936 KB
\WINDOWS\SoftwareDistribution\ReportingEvents.log
30 45 MB
\WINDOWS\system32\wbem\Repository\FS\OBJECTS.DATA
29 5 MB \Program Files\Reference
Assemblies\Microsoft\Framework\v3.0\PresentationFramework.dll
27 2 MB \Program Files\Common
Files\VMware\VMware Virtual Machine Importer\v2vapp.exe
27 580 KB
\WINDOWS\Installer\{90110409-6000-11D3-8CFE-0150048383C9}\accicons.exe


Volume DATA (D
Volume size = 52.51 GB
Cluster size = 512 bytes
Used space = 44.90 GB
Free space = 7.61 GB
Percent free space = 14 %

Volume fragmentation
Total fragmentation = 43 %
File fragmentation = 87 %
Free space fragmentation = 0 %

File fragmentation
Total files = 17,429
Average file size = 3 MB
Total fragmented files = 255
Total excess fragments = 28,534
Average fragments per file = 2.63

Pagefile fragmentation
Pagefile size = 0 bytes
Total fragments = 0

Folder fragmentation
Total folders = 3,312
Fragmented folders = 9
Excess folder fragments = 28

Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
Total MFT size = 44 MB
MFT record count = 21,101
Percent MFT in use = 47 %
Total MFT fragments = 2

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fragments File Size Most fragmented files
20,771 11.95 GB \VMware5images\CleanOS\Foreign\XP Home
SP2 (Simplified Chinese) & Linux\Windows XP Home Edition.vmdk
1,763 3.63 GB \VMware5images\CleanOS\English\Windows
XP Pro. SP2 (Slipstreamed CD; all updates)\Windows XP
Professional-000003.vmdk
1,168 9.11 GB \VMware5images\CleanOS\English\Vista
Home Basic N (experimental)\Windows Vista (experimental).vmdk
900 7 MB \dl\cel_030809.mp3
716 4 MB \Documents and Settings\phil\ntuser.dat.LOG
642 7.25 GB \VMware5images\CleanOS\English\Windows
XP Pro. SP2 (Slipstreamed CD; all updates)\Windows XP Professional.vmdk
588 1.71 GB \VMware5images\CleanOS\Foreign\German XP
Pro. SP2\Windows XP Professional.vmdk
559 3.30 GB \VMware5images\CleanOS\Foreign\German XP
Pro. SP2\Windows XP Professional-000002.vmdk
391 3 MB \work\tools\cdbxp_setup_4.2.4.1255.exe
260 314 MB \VMware5images\CleanOS\English\Windows
XP Pro. SP2 (Slipstreamed CD; all updates)\Windows XP
Professional-000004.vmdk
64 0 bytes \Documents and Settings\All
Users\Application Data\Symantec\SRTSP\SrtETmp\158839A4.TMP
49 153 KB
\RECYCLER\S-1-5-21-746137067-308236825-682003330-35013\Dd3291\YAHOO\Query\adityadev007.xml
41 17 MB \VMware5images\CleanOS\English\Windows
XP Pro. SP2 (Slipstreamed CD; all updates)\Windows XP Professional.vmss
31 220 KB \Documents and Settings\All
Users\Application Data\Symantec\LiveUpdate\Settings.LiveUpdate
29 38 KB
\RECYCLER\S-1-5-21-746137067-308236825-682003330-35013\Dd3291\YAHOO\Query\air.xml
28 2 MB \winstuff\mcd\BMP.BMP
26 268 KB
\winstuff\Trillian3\users\default\cache\cache.ini
20 48 KB
\RECYCLER\S-1-5-21-746137067-308236825-682003330-35013\Dd3291\YAHOO\Query\aditya.log
18 153 KB \Documents and Settings\phil\Application
Data\Mozilla\Profiles\default\43p1f9aas.slt\Cache\_CACHE_001_
17 3 MB \Documents and Settings\All
Users\Application Data\Symantec\LiveUpdate\Log.LiveUpdate
14 19 KB \winstuff\RealAlternativeLite\Media
Player Classic\mplayerc.ini
13 0 bytes \Documents and Settings\All
Users\Application Data\Symantec\SRTSP\SrtETmp\480F4270.TMP
12 618 KB
\p4_perforce\depot\Services\Docs\QA\Patch\Patch.wbk
11 67 KB \VMware5images\CleanOS\English\Windows
XP Pro. SP2 (Slipstreamed CD; all updates)\vmware-2.log
11 60 bytes \lotus\notes\Data\Modems
10 2 MB \Documents and Settings\phil\Application
Data\Mozilla\Profiles\default\dp1f91yq.slt\history.dat
10 617 KB
\p4_perforce\depot\Services\Docs\QA\Patch\Patch.doc
9 51 KB \VMware5images\CleanOS\English\Windows
XP Pro. SP2 (Slipstreamed CD; all updates)\vmware-1.log
8 12 KB
\RECYCLER\S-1-5-21-746137067-308236825-682003330-35013\Dd3291\YAHOO\Query\air.log
8 37 KB \VMware5images\CleanOS\English\Windows
XP Pro. SP2 (Slipstreamed CD; all updates)\vmware-0.log

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I discovered defrag.exe command line earlier:


D:\>defrag -a -v d:
Windows Disk Defragmenter
Copyright (c) 2001 Microsoft Corp. and Executive Software International,
Inc.

Analysis Report

Volume size = 52.51 GB
Cluster size = 512 bytes
Used space = 44.90 GB
Free space = 7.61 GB
Percent free space = 14 %

Volume fragmentation
Total fragmentation = 43 %
File fragmentation = 87 %
Free space fragmentation = 0 %

File fragmentation
Total files = 17,417
Average file size = 3 MB
Total fragmented files = 244
Total excess fragments = 28,490
Average fragments per file = 2.63

Pagefile fragmentation
Pagefile size = 0 bytes
Total fragments = 0

Folder fragmentation
Total folders = 3,309
Fragmented folders = 8
Excess folder fragments = 27

Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
Total MFT size = 44 MB
MFT record count = 21,086
Percent MFT in use = 46
Total MFT fragments = 2

You should defragment this volume.


Volume BackupsAndArchives (E
Volume size = 9.91 GB
Cluster size = 4 KB
Used space = 2.31 GB
Free space = 7.60 GB
Percent free space = 76 %

Volume fragmentation
Total fragmentation = 21 %
File fragmentation = 43 %
Free space fragmentation = 0 %

File fragmentation
Total files = 1,551
Average file size = 2 MB
Total fragmented files = 1
Total excess fragments = 2
Average fragments per file = 1.00

Pagefile fragmentation
Pagefile size = 1.00 GB
Total fragments = 3

Folder fragmentation
Total folders = 277
Fragmented folders = 12
Excess folder fragments = 48

Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
Total MFT size = 4 MB
MFT record count = 1,843
Percent MFT in use = 43 %
Total MFT fragments = 2

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fragments File Size Most fragmented files
27 112 KB
\stuff\work\tools\WiresharkPortable\App\Wireshark\snmp\mibs
6 32 KB
\stuff\work\tools\WiresharkPortable\App\Wireshark\radius
6 28 KB
\stuff\work\tools\WiresharkPortable\App\Wireshark
4 28 KB \stuff\work\tools
3 20 KB \music\midi
2 8 KB \stuff\work\docs\info
2 8 KB
\stuff\work\tools\SymantecTools\LicensingTools
2 8 KB \stuff\work\tools\SymantecTools
2 8 KB \music\mod
2 8 KB \stuff\Desktop
2 20 KB \stuff\Links
2 8 KB \stuff\work\tools\as


D:\>defrag /?
Usage:
defrag <volume> [-a] [-f] [-v] [-?]
volume drive letter or mount point (d: or d:\vol\mountpoint)
-a Analyze only
-f Force defragmentation even if free space is low
-v Verbose output
-? Display this help text

Can I use -f parameter? Is this safe to use?


Thank you in advance.
--
Phillip Pi (aka Ant)
Senior Software Quality Assurance Analyst
ISP/Symantec Online Services, Consumer Business Unit
Symantec Corporation
www.symantec.com

 

[Gerry]

Phillip

I can see why you are having problems.

The first thing is that volumes C and D do not have the normal 4 kb cluster
size. This can occur in certain situations if they are converted from FAT32
to NTFS without taking precautions. See the link which follows:
http://www.aumha.org/win5/a/ntfscvt.htm
The Default Cluster Size for the NTFS and FAT File Systems
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314878/en-us

Other than reformatting I do not know how to correct the error. Of course
with your C volume that involves reinstalling Windows XP and all that
entails.

How many drives are there? Are all volumes on the same drive or are they on
physically separate drives?

The problem with your C volume is more than likely the transaction log. What
is generating the log and what is recorded in the log? Some logs open using
notepad and you can delete older data leaving the more current information.
The size and fragmentation of the file will be preventing effective
defragmentation by the Microsoft Defragmenter. You also have a number of
other log files. Do these also contain old data which you do not need to
keep?

When you run the Microsoft Disk Defragmenter does it complete leaving one or
two of the larger files or does it give up? You should always run cCleaner
(or Disk CleanUp ) before running Disk Defragmenter. If it completes leaving
some files run Disk Defragmenter again and see if the number of fragments
reduce. If this does not work download and run Defraggler. Given the amount
of free space on volume C I would expect Disk Defragmenter and / or
Defraggler to resolve the problem

The problem with your D volume is the same as volume C but much more severe.
I would suspect the problem has been created by placing the images on the
volume when the volume is in a fragmented state. You might avoid the problem
in future by running Disk CleanUp and Disk Defragmenter before putting the
images on the volume. You have 3 large files, which if temporarily removed
from the volume, would enable Disk Defragmenter to work, although it might
take quite a time. Defraggler might work with the files still on the volume.
Do you have access to an external cradle and another hard drive, which you
could connect to your computer. You can then copy the large files to the
external drive deleting the original copies using Shift+Delete to bypass the
Recycle Bin, run Disk Defragmenter and copy the files back. You should find
the large files copied are only in a few fragments and not multi fragmented
as before.

Your E volume should not cause defragmentation problems.


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Hope this helps.

Gerry
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FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Gerry,

Here you go:

Volume SYSTEM (C
Volume size = 12.00 GB
Cluster size = 512 bytes
Used space = 9.63 GB
Free space = 2.37 GB
Percent free space = 19 %

Volume fragmentation
Total fragmentation = 7 %
File fragmentation = 15 %
Free space fragmentation = 0 %

File fragmentation
Total files = 77,007
Average file size = 180 KB
Total fragmented files = 1,206
Total excess fragments = 307,892
Average fragments per file = 4.99

Pagefile fragmentation
Pagefile size = 200 MB
Total fragments = 9

Folder fragmentation
Total folders = 4,443
Fragmented folders = 13
Excess folder fragments = 33

Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
Total MFT size = 86 MB
MFT record count = 84,627
Percent MFT in use = 96 %
Total MFT fragments = 3

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fragments File Size Most fragmented files
301,225 265 MB \transaction.log
376 10 MB
\WINDOWS\PCHealth\HelpCtr\DataColl\CollectedData_41114.xml
296 2 MB \Program Files\Common Files\Symantec
Shared\VirusDefs\BinHub\cceraser.dll
261 408 KB \Program Files\Common Files\Symantec
Shared\VirusDefs\file1.log
156 913 KB \WINDOWS\KB942763.log
144 1 MB \Program Files\Common Files\Symantec
Shared\VirusDefs\BinHub\navex32a.dll
130 100 KB \Program Files\Altiris\Altiris
Agent\Logs\Agent8.log
125 100 KB \Program Files\Altiris\Altiris
Agent\Logs\Agent9.log
123 4 MB \Program Files\Common Files\Symantec
Shared\VirusDefs\BinHub\virscan9.dat
72 635 KB \WINDOWS\comsetup.log
67 491 KB \WINDOWS\KB955839.log
52 2 MB
\winstuff\DebuggingTools\w2kfre\kdex2x86.dll
49 363 KB \Program Files\Common Files\Symantec
Shared\VirusDefs\BinHub\eeCtrl.sys
49 991 KB \Program Files\Common Files\Symantec
Shared\VirusDefs\BinHub\virscan1.dat
44 2 MB \WINDOWS\system32\dllcache\win32k.sys
42 324 KB \WINDOWS\SchCache\Corp.Com.sch
41 3 MB \Program Files\Reference
Assemblies\Microsoft\Framework\v3.5\System.Data.Entity.dll
41 142 KB \WINDOWS\updspapi.log
40 3 MB
\WINDOWS\$hf_mig$\KB953838\SP3QFE\mshtml.dll
39 287 KB \WINDOWS\Prefetch\Layout.ini
38 2 MB \WINDOWS\system32\dllcache\ntkrnlmp.exe
37 388 KB \WINDOWS\ntdtcsetup.log
36 2 MB \WINDOWS\Installer\3e01c8ea.msi
35 253 KB \Program Files\Common Files\Symantec
Shared\VirusDefs\BinHub\ecmsvr32.dll
32 2 MB \WINDOWS\system32\wbem\Logs\FrameWork.log
31 936 KB \WINDOWS\SoftwareDistribution\ReportingEvents.log
30 45 MB \WINDOWS\system32\wbem\Repository\FS\OBJECTS.DATA
29 5 MB \Program Files\Reference
Assemblies\Microsoft\Framework\v3.0\PresentationFramework.dll
27 2 MB \Program Files\Common Files\VMware\VMware
Virtual Machine Importer\v2vapp.exe
27 580 KB
\WINDOWS\Installer\{90110409-6000-11D3-8CFE-0150048383C9}\accicons.exe


Volume DATA (D
Volume size = 52.51 GB
Cluster size = 512 bytes
Used space = 44.90 GB
Free space = 7.61 GB
Percent free space = 14 %

Volume fragmentation
Total fragmentation = 43 %
File fragmentation = 87 %
Free space fragmentation = 0 %

File fragmentation
Total files = 17,429
Average file size = 3 MB
Total fragmented files = 255
Total excess fragments = 28,534
Average fragments per file = 2.63

Pagefile fragmentation
Pagefile size = 0 bytes
Total fragments = 0

Folder fragmentation
Total folders = 3,312
Fragmented folders = 9
Excess folder fragments = 28

Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
Total MFT size = 44 MB
MFT record count = 21,101
Percent MFT in use = 47 %
Total MFT fragments = 2

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Fragments File Size Most fragmented files
20,771 11.95 GB \VMware5images\CleanOS\Foreign\XP Home SP2
(Simplified Chinese) & Linux\Windows XP Home Edition.vmdk
1,763 3.63 GB \VMware5images\CleanOS\English\Windows XP
Pro. SP2 (Slipstreamed CD; all updates)\Windows XP
Professional-000003.vmdk
1,168 9.11 GB \VMware5images\CleanOS\English\Vista Home
Basic N (experimental)\Windows Vista (experimental).vmdk
900 7 MB \dl\cel_030809.mp3
716 4 MB \Documents and
Settings\phil\ntuser.dat.LOG
642 7.25 GB \VMware5images\CleanOS\English\Windows XP
Pro. SP2 (Slipstreamed CD; all updates)\Windows XP Professional.vmdk
588 1.71 GB \VMware5images\CleanOS\Foreign\German XP
Pro. SP2\Windows XP Professional.vmdk
559 3.30 GB \VMware5images\CleanOS\Foreign\German XP
Pro. SP2\Windows XP Professional-000002.vmdk
391 3 MB \work\tools\cdbxp_setup_4.2.4.1255.exe
260 314 MB \VMware5images\CleanOS\English\Windows XP
Pro. SP2 (Slipstreamed CD; all updates)\Windows XP
Professional-000004.vmdk
64 0 bytes \Documents and Settings\All
Users\Application Data\Symantec\SRTSP\SrtETmp\158839A4.TMP
49 153 KB
\RECYCLER\S-1-5-21-746137067-308236825-682003330-35013\Dd3291\YAHOO\Query\adityadev007.xml
41 17 MB \VMware5images\CleanOS\English\Windows XP
Pro. SP2 (Slipstreamed CD; all updates)\Windows XP Professional.vmss
31 220 KB \Documents and Settings\All
Users\Application Data\Symantec\LiveUpdate\Settings.LiveUpdate
29 38 KB
\RECYCLER\S-1-5-21-746137067-308236825-682003330-35013\Dd3291\YAHOO\Query\air.xml
28 2 MB \winstuff\mcd\BMP.BMP
26 268 KB \winstuff\Trillian3\users\default\cache\cache.ini
20 48 KB
\RECYCLER\S-1-5-21-746137067-308236825-682003330-35013\Dd3291\YAHOO\Query\aditya.log
18 153 KB \Documents and Settings\phil\Application
Data\Mozilla\Profiles\default\43p1f9aas.slt\Cache\_CACHE_001_
17 3 MB \Documents and Settings\All
Users\Application Data\Symantec\LiveUpdate\Log.LiveUpdate
14 19 KB \winstuff\RealAlternativeLite\Media Player
Classic\mplayerc.ini
13 0 bytes \Documents and Settings\All
Users\Application Data\Symantec\SRTSP\SrtETmp\480F4270.TMP
12 618 KB \p4_perforce\depot\Services\Docs\QA\Patch\Patch.wbk
11 67 KB \VMware5images\CleanOS\English\Windows XP
Pro. SP2 (Slipstreamed CD; all updates)\vmware-2.log
11 60 bytes \lotus\notes\Data\Modems
10 2 MB \Documents and Settings\phil\Application
Data\Mozilla\Profiles\default\dp1f91yq.slt\history.dat
10 617 KB \p4_perforce\depot\Services\Docs\QA\Patch\Patch.doc
9 51 KB \VMware5images\CleanOS\English\Windows XP
Pro. SP2 (Slipstreamed CD; all updates)\vmware-1.log
8 12 KB
\RECYCLER\S-1-5-21-746137067-308236825-682003330-35013\Dd3291\YAHOO\Query\air.log
8 37 KB \VMware5images\CleanOS\English\Windows XP
Pro. SP2 (Slipstreamed CD; all updates)\vmware-0.log

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I discovered defrag.exe command line earlier:


D:\>defrag -a -v d:
Windows Disk Defragmenter
Copyright (c) 2001 Microsoft Corp. and Executive Software International,
Inc.

Analysis Report

Volume size = 52.51 GB
Cluster size = 512 bytes
Used space = 44.90 GB
Free space = 7.61 GB
Percent free space = 14 %

Volume fragmentation
Total fragmentation = 43 %
File fragmentation = 87 %
Free space fragmentation = 0 %

File fragmentation
Total files = 17,417
Average file size = 3 MB
Total fragmented files = 244
Total excess fragments = 28,490
Average fragments per file = 2.63

Pagefile fragmentation
Pagefile size = 0 bytes
Total fragments = 0

Folder fragmentation
Total folders = 3,309
Fragmented folders = 8
Excess folder fragments = 27

Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
Total MFT size = 44 MB
MFT record count = 21,086
Percent MFT in use = 46
Total MFT fragments = 2

You should defragment this volume.


Volume BackupsAndArchives (E
Volume size = 9.91 GB
Cluster size = 4 KB
Used space = 2.31 GB
Free space = 7.60 GB
Percent free space = 76 %

Volume fragmentation
Total fragmentation = 21 %
File fragmentation = 43 %
Free space fragmentation = 0 %

File fragmentation
Total files = 1,551
Average file size = 2 MB
Total fragmented files = 1
Total excess fragments = 2
Average fragments per file = 1.00

Pagefile fragmentation
Pagefile size = 1.00 GB
Total fragments = 3

Folder fragmentation
Total folders = 277
Fragmented folders = 12
Excess folder fragments = 48

Master File Table (MFT) fragmentation
Total MFT size = 4 MB
MFT record count = 1,843
Percent MFT in use = 43 %
Total MFT fragments = 2

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Fragments File Size Most fragmented files
27 112 KB
\stuff\work\tools\WiresharkPortable\App\Wireshark\snmp\mibs
6 32 KB
\stuff\work\tools\WiresharkPortable\App\Wireshark\radius
6 28 KB \stuff\work\tools\WiresharkPortable\App\Wireshark
4 28 KB \stuff\work\tools
3 20 KB \music\midi
2 8 KB \stuff\work\docs\info
2 8 KB \stuff\work\tools\SymantecTools\LicensingTools
2 8 KB \stuff\work\tools\SymantecTools
2 8 KB \music\mod
2 8 KB \stuff\Desktop
2 20 KB \stuff\Links
2 8 KB \stuff\work\tools\as


D:\>defrag /?
Usage:
defrag <volume> [-a] [-f] [-v] [-?]
volume drive letter or mount point (d: or d:\vol\mountpoint)
-a Analyze only
-f Force defragmentation even if free space is low
-v Verbose output
-? Display this help text

Can I use -f parameter? Is this safe to use?


Thank you in advance.
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Phillip Pi (aka Ant)
Senior Software Quality Assurance Analyst
ISP/Symantec Online Services, Consumer Business Unit
Symantec Corporation
www.symantec.com