What to save before reformatting

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MaryL

I plan to reformat my hard disk. I have a Compaq computer that has been
getting slower and slower, and I frequently have problems with freezes when
I simply click on a link in newsgroups or Internet programs. I have tried
everything I know to do, but I think the time has come to "bite the bullet"
and reformat.

I have a couple of questions that I hope someone can help with:
(1) I have the original Compaq Restore Plus disks that came with the
computer. The tiny manual with them only refers to a complete format. Does
anyone know if there is a way to do a "partial restore" where my exisiting
programs would not be lost?
(2) In case I really do have to reinstall everything, how/what should I
backup so I can return Windows and newsgroups to their present settings --
newsgroups with threads that have been marked to follow, etc.?

I already have good backups of all data on my computer. I rotate the
process, so I always have 4 different sets (in case of a total disaster). I
also have all of the original program disks -- everything on my computer is
registered; no piracy. So, I can restore everything if necessary, but it
will take many hours (or days). Any tips will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
MaryL
 
K

Ken Blake, MVP

MaryL said:
I plan to reformat my hard disk. I have a Compaq computer that has
been getting slower and slower, and I frequently have problems with
freezes when I simply click on a link in newsgroups or Internet
programs. I have tried everything I know to do, but I think the time
has come to "bite the bullet" and reformat.


Your choice of course, but I think that's almost always a mistake. Besides
all the difficulties involved with recreating your system the way you want
it, you won't find out what caused your slowdowns and freezes and will
therefore very likely repeat the behavior that caused it, and quickly find
yourself back where you started.


I have a couple of questions that I hope someone can help with:
(1) I have the original Compaq Restore Plus disks that came with the
computer. The tiny manual with them only refers to a complete
format. Does anyone know if there is a way to do a "partial restore"
where my exisiting programs would not be lost?


There's no such thing. The restore CD puts your computer back to the
condition it was in when you got it.

(2) In case I really do have to reinstall everything, how/what should
I backup so I can return Windows and newsgroups to their present
settings -- newsgroups with threads that have been marked to follow,
etc.? I already have good backups of all data on my computer. I rotate
the
process, so I always have 4 different sets (in case of a total
disaster). I also have all of the original program disks --
everything on my computer is registered; no piracy. So, I can
restore everything if necessary, but it will take many hours (or
days). Any tips will be greatly appreciated.



Yes, it will take many hours or days, and as I said, my guess is that you'll
soon find your self back in the same situation.. My advice is not to do
this, but to address the problems you have. Describe your probelms here, and
it's likely that someone can help you and you won't have to reformat.
 
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MaryL

Ken Blake said:
Your choice of course, but I think that's almost always a mistake. Besides
all the difficulties involved with recreating your system the way you want
it, you won't find out what caused your slowdowns and freezes and will
therefore very likely repeat the behavior that caused it, and quickly find
yourself back where you started.





There's no such thing. The restore CD puts your computer back to the
condition it was in when you got it.





Yes, it will take many hours or days, and as I said, my guess is that
you'll soon find your self back in the same situation.. My advice is not
to do this, but to address the problems you have. Describe your probelms
here, and it's likely that someone can help you and you won't have to
reformat.

Okay, I would like to try. I would much rather *not* reformat, but I did
post a question about this earlier without any success. There were some
suggestions, but I did not succeed. One person recommended that I look at
Event Logs, but I did not understand them.

First, the computer has gotten much slower. That could be "bloat" because
of too many programs. One problem is that some of the programs came
preinstalled, and I simply don't know if it's safe to get rid of some of
them. There are some, of course, that I can get rid of, and that part would
be simple.

Second, I get very frequent "nonresponsive program" errors where the screen
freezes and I have to use alt/ctrl/del. This brings up the dialog box which
shows
the program is nonresponsive (and a request to send a report). On some
occasions, I have to reboot because the 3 keys won't work. This occurs when
I am using IE or newsgroups, and it happens without any warning. I will
click on a link, and nothing happens -- then I know the gremlin has struck
again! This happens several times a day and is really annoying. It most
often happens when I click on a link within newsgroups and sometimes when I
click on a link in IE. They are innocuous, "safe" links -- such as a link
within CNN.com. After I reboot, I can usually click on the same link and
have no problem.

I am using a Compaq Presario 8000 running Win XP-Home Edition with Service
Pack 2 and updates, and I have a LinkSys wireless-G router (2.4GB). It is a
Pentium IV CPU, 2.40 GHz, 512 MB of RAM. I use AVG for anti-virus checks.
I regularly run Ad-Aware and Spy Bot. I clean the cache daily, and
sometimes more often if I have accessed bank accounts or credit card
information. The Windows Firewall is turned on. The computer has a
DVD+R/RW drive, 120GB primary hard disk, 80GB Maxtor 7200 RPM secondary hard
disk, and Iomega internal Zip 250 MB drive. I use Sudden Link (previously
Cox) Internet via cable.

Thanks for any help you can provide.

MaryL
 
D

DandyDon

I agree with the previous post. I would run Disk Cleanup, deleting all Temp
files, cookies, browser history, and offline content.
I would then clean out Outlook Express, clearing out the Sent Items and
Deleted Items folders, and then compacting the rest.
I would then sort thru the My Documents folder. If you haven't used it in 6
months, move it or delete it.
I would then do a defrag.
I would then run Prime 95 and MemTest(google for them), and hard drive
diagnostics- check hard drive mftr site- to rule out dying hardware.
Then I'd scan for viruses and malware.

If you still decide to reformat, your restore disk will erase all programs,
patches, and updates. Were I you, I'd buy Acronis True Image software, and
image the hard disk
That way, you can use the System Restore disk, and the Acronis CD's to
restore the drive back to it's previous state without downloading a thing.
Saving you hours of time.
 
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MaryL

I have already done some of these things, but you have given me some ideas.
I run Disk Cleanup once a month, and I occasionally delete Temp files, and
cookies. I clear the browser history at least once a day. However, I have
not cleared Sent Items from OE (never thought of it), and I do send a great
many messages to newsgroups. However, I do not use it for mail because I
use Eudora. I never use My Documents because I created a folder called Data
Files and prefer that -- it makes it easier to back up because some of my
backups are really "copies" -- easy to just copy and paste instead of
"restore" I already defrag every couple of months. However, I have never
heard of Prime 95 or MemTest -- will have to google for them, as you
suggested. I have run diagnostics occasionally, but not for some time. I
have a virus checker (AVG) that I use every few days, and I run Ad-Aware and
Spy Bot several times a week. I'm not sure about malware -- is there
something else I should do?

Interestingly, I already have Acronis True Image but have never used it and
had forgotten about it. It came with a massive online manual, and it
frankly intimidated me. Is it really as difficult to use as the manual
seemed? What is the System Restore disk? I use System Restore on the
computer, but I'm not sure what you mean by a System Restore disk. Is that
something that would be created by Acronis?

Thanks for your help!

MaryL
 
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Anna

(SNIP)
Interestingly, I already have Acronis True Image but have never used it
and had forgotten about it. It came with a massive online manual, and it
frankly intimidated me. Is it really as difficult to use as the manual
seemed? What is the System Restore disk? I use System Restore on the
computer, but I'm not sure what you mean by a System Restore disk. Is
that something that would be created by Acronis?

Thanks for your help!

MaryL


MaryL:
We'll assume that at this stage you have a functioning non-problem system
going and that you now have an interest in backing up that system so that in
the event your present system goes awry for one reason or another you'll
have at hand a backup for restoration purposes.

The Acronis program which you have is an ideal program for achieving that
objective. (I'm assuming you have either the ATI 8 or ATI 9 program -
Acronis has recently released version 10). Using that program for backing up
& restoring your system is relatively simple & straightforward.

In a previous posting you mentioned that you have two HDDs - a 120 GB
primary hard disk and an 80 GB Maxtor. I assume you use the 80 GB HDD for
storage and/or backing up your data files. One way to use the Acronis
program would be to routinely & systematically "clone" the contents of your
day-to-day working HDD to your secondary HDD. By doing so you would have a
duplicate of your boot HDD including the operating system, all your
programs, and your created data - in short, everything. So if & when the
time comes when you would need to restore your system it could be easily
done. One advantage of using your secondary HDD as the recipient of the
clone is that it would be bootable.

You could also consider using an external HDD, e.g., USB or Firewire, as the
recipient of the disk clone in lieu of your internal HDD. The advantage here
is that since that device would be ordinarily disconnected from the system
except while it's in use, there's an additional safety factor present as
compared with using an internal HDD as the recipient of the clone. The
disadvantages are that the disk cloning process is considerably slower when
using a USB external HDD as compared with cloning to an internal HDD, and
that the USB EHD is not bootable - you would need to clone the contents of
that external HDD to an internal HDD for restoration purposes.

I recently prepared some step-by-step instructions for using the Acronis
program to carry out the disk cloning process. (It was for ATI version 9,
but the process is virtually the same for version 8 and (I believe) version
10). I don't have the instructions handy at the moment, but if you or anyone
else, is interested in seeing them please so indicate and I'll retrieve &
post them.
Anna
 
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MaryL

Anna said:
(SNIP)


MaryL:
We'll assume that at this stage you have a functioning non-problem system
going and that you now have an interest in backing up that system so that
in the event your present system goes awry for one reason or another
you'll have at hand a backup for restoration purposes.

The Acronis program which you have is an ideal program for achieving that
objective. (I'm assuming you have either the ATI 8 or ATI 9 program -
Acronis has recently released version 10). Using that program for backing
up & restoring your system is relatively simple & straightforward.

In a previous posting you mentioned that you have two HDDs - a 120 GB
primary hard disk and an 80 GB Maxtor. I assume you use the 80 GB HDD for
storage and/or backing up your data files. One way to use the Acronis
program would be to routinely & systematically "clone" the contents of
your day-to-day working HDD to your secondary HDD. By doing so you would
have a duplicate of your boot HDD including the operating system, all your
programs, and your created data - in short, everything. So if & when the
time comes when you would need to restore your system it could be easily
done. One advantage of using your secondary HDD as the recipient of the
clone is that it would be bootable.

You could also consider using an external HDD, e.g., USB or Firewire, as
the recipient of the disk clone in lieu of your internal HDD. The
advantage here is that since that device would be ordinarily disconnected
from the system except while it's in use, there's an additional safety
factor present as compared with using an internal HDD as the recipient of
the clone. The disadvantages are that the disk cloning process is
considerably slower when using a USB external HDD as compared with cloning
to an internal HDD, and that the USB EHD is not bootable - you would need
to clone the contents of that external HDD to an internal HDD for
restoration purposes.

I recently prepared some step-by-step instructions for using the Acronis
program to carry out the disk cloning process. (It was for ATI version 9,
but the process is virtually the same for version 8 and (I believe)
version 10). I don't have the instructions handy at the moment, but if you
or anyone else, is interested in seeing them please so indicate and I'll
retrieve & post them.
Anna

Anna,

Thank you *very* much for the time you took to write this message. It is so
informative that I did not snip any of it.

Yes, I would love to see the step-by-step instructions you prepared. I
would be happy to read the instructions either on this newsgroup or through
email (my addy connected to this message is valid except that you need to
first "take-out-the-litter"). I bought the program for the specific purpose
you mentioned but did not carry through with it because I found the online
manual (*huge*) to be rather intimidating. I do have an external USB HD,
and I even use some smaller external HDs (IOMagic's GigaBank) for backing up
and transporting data files. I have ATI version 9 but would be happy to
upgrade if this works out. I also noticed a reference to a "home edition"
that supposedly is easier to use, but I haven't read up on it. I even have
Acronis Privacy Expert Suite 9 that I bought at the same time as ATI
(bundled copies), so I would be delighted if you have any information on
that.

Thanks, again!!

MaryL
 
K

Ken Blake, MVP

MaryL said:
Okay, I would like to try. I would much rather *not* reformat, but I
did post a question about this earlier without any success. There
were some suggestions, but I did not succeed. One person recommended
that I look at Event Logs, but I did not understand them.

First, the computer has gotten much slower. That could be "bloat"
because of too many programs. One problem is that some of the
programs came preinstalled, and I simply don't know if it's safe to
get rid of some of them.


No, how many programs you have installed has no effect on performance. Only
programs that are running can affect performance. Those that are just
installed can waste a little disk space if you don't use them, but there's
no other downside to having them installed.

However if you want to get rid of an installed program and you're not sure
whether it's safe, tell us its name and ask about it here.

Also you may have some of these programs running in the background and it's
very possible that one or more of those can affect performance. Here's my
standard message on this subject:

On each program you don't want to start automatically, check its Options to
see if it has the choice not to start (make sure you actually choose the
option not to run it, not just a "don't show icon" option). Many can easily
and best be stopped that way. If that doesn't work, run MSCONFIG from the
Start | Run line, and on the Startup tab, uncheck the programs you don't
want to start automatically.

However, if I were you, I wouldn't do this just for the purpose of running
the minimum number of programs. Despite what many people tell you, you
should be concerned, not with how *many* of these programs you run, but
*which*. Some of them can hurt performance severely, but others have no
effect on performance.

Don't just stop programs from running willy-nilly. What you should do is
determine what each program is, what its value is to you, and what the cost
in performance is of its running all the time. You can get more information
about these at http://castlecops.com/StartupList.html. If you can't find it
there, try google searches and ask about specifics here.

Once you have that information, you can make an intelligent informed
decision about what you want to keep and what you want to get rid of.

But the first thing anyone experiencing poor performance these days should
do is investigate the possibility of malware infestation. This is the most
common cause of such problems. I recommend that you go to Malke's Malware
Removal site at
http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/page2.html#Removing_Malware and
follow the instructions there.

There are some, of course, that I can get
rid of, and that part would be simple.

Second, I get very frequent "nonresponsive program" errors where the
screen freezes and I have to use alt/ctrl/del. This brings up the
dialog box which shows
the program is nonresponsive (and a request to send a report).


That could be malware too. Even though you run SS&D and Adaware (which are
both good), they don't catch everything and you could still be infected. Try
Malke's site above, and if that doesn't help, then let us know what programs
these are.
 
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Anna

MaryL said:


Anna said:
MaryL:
We'll assume that at this stage you have a functioning non-problem system
going and that you now have an interest in backing up that system so that
in the event your present system goes awry for one reason or another
you'll have at hand a backup for restoration purposes.
The Acronis program which you have is an ideal program for achieving that
objective. (I'm assuming you have either the ATI 8 or ATI 9 program -
Acronis has recently released version 10). Using that program for backing
up & restoring your system is relatively simple & straightforward.

In a previous posting you mentioned that you have two HDDs - a 120 GB
primary hard disk and an 80 GB Maxtor. I assume you use the 80 GB HDD for
storage and/or backing up your data files. One way to use the Acronis
program would be to routinely & systematically "clone" the contents of
your day-to-day working HDD to your secondary HDD. By doing so you would
have a duplicate of your boot HDD including the operating system, all your
programs, and your created data - in short, everything. So if & when the
time comes when you would need to restore your system it could be easily
done. One advantage of using your secondary HDD as the recipient of the
clone is that it would be bootable.
You could also consider using an external HDD, e.g., USB or Firewire, as
the recipient of the disk clone in lieu of your internal HDD. The
advantage here is that since that device would be ordinarily disconnected
from the system except while it's in use, there's an additional safety
factor present as compared with using an internal HDD as the recipient of
the clone. The disadvantages are that the disk cloning process is
considerably slower when using a USB external HDD as compared with cloning
to an internal HDD, and that the USB EHD is not bootable - you would need
to clone the contents of that external HDD to an internal HDD for
restoration purposes.

I recently prepared some step-by-step instructions for using the Acronis >
program to carry out the disk cloning process. (It was for ATI version 9,
but the process is virtually the same for version 8 and (I believe)
version 10). I don't have the instructions handy at the moment, but if you
or anyone else, is interested in seeing them please so indicate and I'll
retrieve & post them.
Anna

Anna,

Thank you *very* much for the time you took to write this message. It is
so informative that I did not snip any of it.

Yes, I would love to see the step-by-step instructions you prepared. I
would be happy to read the instructions either on this newsgroup or
through email (my addy connected to this message is valid except that you
need to first "take-out-the-litter"). I bought the program for the
specific purpose you mentioned but did not carry through with it because I
found the online manual (*huge*) to be rather intimidating. I do have an
external USB HD, and I even use some smaller external HDs (IOMagic's
GigaBank) for backing up and transporting data files. I have ATI version
9 but would be happy to upgrade if this works out. I also noticed a
reference to a "home edition" that supposedly is easier to use, but I
haven't read up on it. I even have Acronis Privacy Expert Suite 9 that I
bought at the same time as ATI (bundled copies), so I would be delighted
if you have any information on that.

Thanks, again!!

MaryL


MaryL:
Here are the step-by-step instructions for using the Acronis True Image 9
(Home Ed.) to clone the contents of one HDD to another HDD...

1. With both hard drives (source & destination disks) connected, boot up. If
your destination disk (the recipient of the clone) is going to be another
internal HDD then before you boot up, ensure that no other storage devices,
e.g., flash drives, USB external hard drives, etc. are connected. It's also
probably a good idea to shut down any programs you may have running in the
background including any anti-virus anti-spyware programs before undertaking
this disk-to-disk cloning operation.

2. If, upon your initial bootup before accessing the Acronis program a
Windows message appears stating that a new HDD has been detected and
suggests a reboot, do so.

3. Access the Acronis True Image 9 program and under "Pick a Task", click on
"Clone Disk".

4. On the next "Welcome..." window, click Next.

5. On the next "Clone Mode" window select the Automatic option (it should be
the default option selected) and click Next.

6. On the next "Source Hard Disk" window, ensure that the correct source HDD
(the disk you're cloning from) has been selected (click to highlight). Click
Next.

7. On the next "Destination Hard Disk" window, ensure that the correct
destination HDD (the disk you're cloning to) has been selected (again, click
to highlight). Click Next.

8. On the next window select the option "Delete partitions on the
destination hard disk". Understand that all data presently on the disk that
will be the recipient of the clone will be deleted during the disk cloning
operation. Click Next.

9. The next window will reflect the source and destination disks. Again,
review to confirm that the correct drives have been selected. Click Next.

10. On the next window click the Proceed button. A message box will display
indicating a reboot will be required to undertake the disk cloning
operation. Click Reboot.

11. The disk cloning operation will proceed during the reboot. With modern
components and a medium to high-powered processor, data transfer rate will
be in the range of 1 to 2 GB/min should you be cloning internal hard drives.
If you're cloning to a USB external HDD the data transfer rate will be
considerably slower.

12. When the cloning operation is completed, a message will appear
indicating such. Press the Enter key to shut down the computer.

13. a. If you've cloned the contents of your internal HDD to another
internal HDD then disconnect the source HDD and boot ONLY with the
destination HDD (the recipient of the clone) connected. DO NOT BOOT WITH
BOTH DRIVES CONNECTED IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THE DISK CLONING OPERATION.

Assuming the boot goes without incident, shut down the computer and
disconnect the newly-cloned HDD. Reconnect your source HDD.

b. If, on the other hand, you've used a USB or Firewire external HDD as the
recipient of the clone, merely disconnect the external device from the
system. Keep in mind, as I previously mentioned, that the USB/Firewire
external HDD (unlike a cloned internal HDD) is not bootable, so should
restoration of your system be later necessary you would clone the contents
of the external device back to a HDD to again have a functioning system.

I trust the above instructions will be helpful to you. I've no experience
with the Acronis Privacy Expert Suite 9 you mentioned so I'm afraid I can't
be of any help to you there. Perhaps you can post your questions re that
program and someone who has experience using that program can help you.
Anna
 
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MaryL

MaryL:
Here are the step-by-step instructions for using the Acronis True Image 9
(Home Ed.) to clone the contents of one HDD to another HDD...

Anna

Anna,

Thanks *very* much -- clear, detailed step-by-step instructions...just what
I like.

Have you ever used Acronis to restore? Do you have any suggestions along
that line (but I hope they are never needed).

MaryL
 
M

MaryL

Ken Blake said:
No, how many programs you have installed has no effect on performance.
Only
programs that are running can affect performance. Those that are just
installed can waste a little disk space if you don't use them, but there's
no other downside to having them installed.

However if you want to get rid of an installed program and you're not sure
whether it's safe, tell us its name and ask about it here.

Also you may have some of these programs running in the background and
it's
very possible that one or more of those can affect performance. Here's my
standard message on this subject:

On each program you don't want to start automatically, check its Options
to
see if it has the choice not to start (make sure you actually choose the
option not to run it, not just a "don't show icon" option). Many can
easily
and best be stopped that way. If that doesn't work, run MSCONFIG from the
Start | Run line, and on the Startup tab, uncheck the programs you don't
want to start automatically.

However, if I were you, I wouldn't do this just for the purpose of running
the minimum number of programs. Despite what many people tell you, you
should be concerned, not with how *many* of these programs you run, but
*which*. Some of them can hurt performance severely, but others have no
effect on performance.

Don't just stop programs from running willy-nilly. What you should do is
determine what each program is, what its value is to you, and what the
cost
in performance is of its running all the time. You can get more
information
about these at http://castlecops.com/StartupList.html. If you can't find
it
there, try google searches and ask about specifics here.

Once you have that information, you can make an intelligent informed
decision about what you want to keep and what you want to get rid of.

But the first thing anyone experiencing poor performance these days should
do is investigate the possibility of malware infestation. This is the most
common cause of such problems. I recommend that you go to Malke's Malware
Removal site at
http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/page2.html#Removing_Malware and
follow the instructions there.




That could be malware too. Even though you run SS&D and Adaware (which are
both good), they don't catch everything and you could still be infected.
Try
Malke's site above, and if that doesn't help, then let us know what
programs
these are.

Thanks. I'll try Malke's program. I'm not familiar with it but will check
into it this week.

The only programs that cause this problem are newsgroups (running under OE)
and IE, but it happens several times every day and is very frustrating. I
always lose the document I was working on, in addition to not being
forwarded to the link -- I can always get back, but it is truly annoying.
In fact, this is a much bigger problem than the computer slowing down
because my computer is still faster than what I usually see in other places.
I am using Internet Explorer 6.0.2900.2180.... I am connected through cable
from SuddenLink (formerly Cox).

MaryL
 
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Anna

MaryL said:
Anna,
Thanks *very* much -- clear, detailed step-by-step instructions...just
what I like.

Have you ever used Acronis to restore? Do you have any suggestions along
that line (but I hope they are never needed).

MaryL


MaryL:
The restoration process is not really any more complicated or time-consuming
than the backup disk cloning process.

Actually, if you've used another internal HDD as the recipient of the clone
there's really *no* restoration process as such. Since that cloned HDD is a
duplicate of your day-to-day working HDD it will boot straightaway in nearly
every case. You would, of course, disconnect your dysfunctional HDD (the
original source disk) before booting to the cloned HDD. Presumably the
cloned HDD has been connected as a Slave to the Primary HDD or is connected
on the secondary IDE channel (I'm assuming you're working with PATA, not
SATA, drives). In most cases the cloned HDD will boot regardless of which
IDE channel it's connected to but we've encountered some motherboards that
will balk at booting a HDD that's connected as a Slave - whether on the
Primary or Secondary IDE channel. So one might consider connecting the
cloned HDD as Primary Master.

On the other hand, if you've used an external HDD (USB or Firewire) as the
recipient of the clone you would need to clone the contents of that external
HDD to a internal HDD since ordinarily the external drive will not be
bootable. The disk-cloning process, in that instance, will be essentially
the same as the original disk-cloning process - just in reverse.
Anna
 
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MaryL

Anna said:
MaryL:
The restoration process is not really any more complicated or
time-consuming than the backup disk cloning process.

Actually, if you've used another internal HDD as the recipient of the
clone there's really *no* restoration process as such. Since that cloned
HDD is a duplicate of your day-to-day working HDD it will boot
straightaway in nearly every case. You would, of course, disconnect your
dysfunctional HDD (the original source disk) before booting to the cloned
HDD. Presumably the cloned HDD has been connected as a Slave to the
Primary HDD or is connected on the secondary IDE channel (I'm assuming
you're working with PATA, not SATA, drives). In most cases the cloned HDD
will boot regardless of which IDE channel it's connected to but we've
encountered some motherboards that will balk at booting a HDD that's
connected as a Slave - whether on the Primary or Secondary IDE channel. So
one might consider connecting the cloned HDD as Primary Master.

On the other hand, if you've used an external HDD (USB or Firewire) as the
recipient of the clone you would need to clone the contents of that
external HDD to a internal HDD since ordinarily the external drive will
not be bootable. The disk-cloning process, in that instance, will be
essentially the same as the original disk-cloning process - just in
reverse.
Anna

Aha! Therein lies a problem. I would have no idea how to do all that -- my
computer was configured for me at Staples, and I use the secondary HD to
keep second copies of all my data from the master HD. But I have never
opened a computer case and would not know how to do what you described. On
the other hand, I figured it could *not* be as simple as simply copying
everything from the slave back to the master! I guess this means I should
use Acronis to clone, hope nothing goes wrong, but plan on hiring a
technician if it does (which would really be sensible in my case).

Thanks very much.

MaryL
 
A

Anna

MaryL said:
Aha! Therein lies a problem. I would have no idea how to do all that --
my > computer was configured for me at Staples, and I use the secondary HD
to > keep second copies of all my data from the master HD. But I have
never > opened a computer case and would not know how to do what you
described. On > the other hand, I figured it could *not* be as simple as
simply copying everything from the slave back to the master! I guess this
means I should use Acronis to clone, hope nothing goes wrong, but plan on
hiring a technician if it does (which would really be sensible in my
case).

Thanks very much.

MaryL


MaryL:
Yes, I understand your uneasiness about this. Let me try to explain to you
(and perhaps others) why there's (usually) a need to disconnect the source
internal HDD from the system immediately following the disk cloning
operation and performing the INITIAL boot with only the destination internal
HDD (the drive containing the recipient of the clone) connected.

The potential problem is this...

Should you boot with both drives connected following the disk-cloning
operation, the system *will* boot to your source HDD, presumably the C:
drive. But subsequently when you attempt to boot with *only* the destination
HDD connected - let's say for restoration purposes - there's a strong chance
the system will not boot with *only* that HDD connected. What frequently
happens is that when both HDDs were connected *immediately* following the
disk-cloning operation and you boot the system, a drive letter other than C:
is assigned to the destination HDD and this drive letter remains permanently
assigned to the destination HDD. So that if later you attempt to boot to
that HDD that is solely connected to the system, it will not boot since the
XP OS will not see it as the boot drive.

Interestingly, if you disconnect the source HDD immediately following the
disk-cloning operation (as I have suggested), and boot *only* to the
destination HDD, there will be no subsequent problems booting to that HDD
even if you later boot the system to your source HDD while the destination
HDD is connected.

Now, just to make this a bit more of a muddle...

The scenario I described doesn't always happen. In many cases it simply
doesn't matter whether both your source & destination HDDs are connected
immediately following the disk-cloning operation. In those cases the
destination HDD will later boot without any problem. But it's something of a
crapshoot and that's why I generally recommend booting only to the
destination HDD immediately following the disk-cloning operation.

I should add that the situation I've described applies to disk imaging
programs in general, such as Acronis, or at least the programs I've worked
with.

So you may want to consider this...

Why not purchase a USB external HDD and use that device for your disk
cloning operations? Then you will avoid the potential problem I've described
since the USB external HDD is not a bootable device. It will still serve as
the recipient of the clone and your system can be easily restored by cloning
the contents of the external HDD back to an internal HDD. And as I
previously mentioned, there is an additional safety factor with using an
external HDD since that drive will ordinarily be disconnected from the
system except during the disk-cloning operations. Nowadays USB external HDDs
are relatively inexpensive and there's generally no problem employing them
in the manner I've described.
Anna
 
M

MaryL

Anna said:
MaryL:
Yes, I understand your uneasiness about this. Let me try to explain to you
(and perhaps others) why there's (usually) a need to disconnect the source
internal HDD from the system immediately following the disk cloning
operation and performing the INITIAL boot with only the destination
internal HDD (the drive containing the recipient of the clone) connected.

The potential problem is this...

Should you boot with both drives connected following the disk-cloning
operation, the system *will* boot to your source HDD, presumably the C:
drive. But subsequently when you attempt to boot with *only* the
destination HDD connected - let's say for restoration purposes - there's a
strong chance the system will not boot with *only* that HDD connected.
What frequently happens is that when both HDDs were connected
*immediately* following the disk-cloning operation and you boot the
system, a drive letter other than C: is assigned to the destination HDD
and this drive letter remains permanently assigned to the destination HDD.
So that if later you attempt to boot to that HDD that is solely connected
to the system, it will not boot since the XP OS will not see it as the
boot drive.

Interestingly, if you disconnect the source HDD immediately following the
disk-cloning operation (as I have suggested), and boot *only* to the
destination HDD, there will be no subsequent problems booting to that HDD
even if you later boot the system to your source HDD while the destination
HDD is connected.

Now, just to make this a bit more of a muddle...

The scenario I described doesn't always happen. In many cases it simply
doesn't matter whether both your source & destination HDDs are connected
immediately following the disk-cloning operation. In those cases the
destination HDD will later boot without any problem. But it's something of
a crapshoot and that's why I generally recommend booting only to the
destination HDD immediately following the disk-cloning operation.

I should add that the situation I've described applies to disk imaging
programs in general, such as Acronis, or at least the programs I've worked
with.

So you may want to consider this...

Why not purchase a USB external HDD and use that device for your disk
cloning operations? Then you will avoid the potential problem I've
described since the USB external HDD is not a bootable device. It will
still serve as the recipient of the clone and your system can be easily
restored by cloning the contents of the external HDD back to an internal
HDD. And as I previously mentioned, there is an additional safety factor
with using an external HDD since that drive will ordinarily be
disconnected from the system except during the disk-cloning operations.
Nowadays USB external HDDs are relatively inexpensive and there's
generally no problem employing them in the manner I've described.
Anna

Thanks very much, Anna! I already have an external USB HD (an HP Personal
Media Drive with 160GB), so I can easily do as you suggested. I am such a
believer in backups (copies, really) that I alternate between several
sources -- one set on the internal slave drive, one set on the HP external
HD, and two smaller IOMagic GigaBanks (bought through eBay) that I alternate
with one kept at home and one at the office to make sure that I would not
lose everything in the event of a catastrophe such as a fire. I also use
one of those to transport files between my home and the office. I have "my
life" on the computer, so I'm rather paranoid about losing data. The need
for a clone of the entire disk, by contrast, is needed to avoid hours of
work but at least I would not lose data.

I really appreciate the time you have taken to give clear explanations.
That has helped me immeasurably.

MaryL
 
P

(PeteCresswell)

Per MaryL:
Any tips will be greatly appreciated.

When you build your new system, either get a second drive or partition the one
drive so there's about 30 gigs for C: and the rest for another logical drive...
call it "D:". Assuming you have at least a 100-gig drive, you'll have almost
70 left over for D.

Install any programs/applications to C:.



Now train yourself to always save everything you work on to D:. Find out how
to edit the registry so that "MyWhatever" is on D:, and edit the preferences to
all your applications to that any default "SaveAs" paths are on D:.

Then get an imaging utility and make an image of "C:" - preferably on an
external hard drive, but to D: or DVDs if you can't come up with an external
hard drive.

Finally, start a little notebook in which you make a note each time you install
something on C: or change some setting/option.

Now you're covered against the next time. It'll take about five minutes to
restore that image to C:; your data will remain intact; and it might take a
little more time to work your notes to bring the restored system back to where
it should be. At that time, take another image just to save yourself the
hassle of working those notes next time around - although you will probably
accumulate more notes by then.
 
M

MaryL

I just read your instructions more carefully, and I guess I should get a
smaller and cheaper external CD for cloning because Acronis apparently will
wipe out all existing data. I want to be able to continue keeping multiple
copies of data on the one I am using.

Again, thanks for the detailed information. That would have been a shock!

MaryL
 
A

Anna

MaryL said:
I just read your instructions more carefully, and I guess I should get a
smaller and cheaper external CD for cloning because Acronis apparently
will wipe out all existing data. I want to be able to continue keeping
multiple copies of data on the one I am using.

Again, thanks for the detailed information. That would have been a shock!

MaryL


MaryL:
Well, still using the Acronis program there is another backup/recovery
strategy you can employ so that your USB external HDD can contain your
existing data as well as the backup data. Or you could use your secondary
HDD as the recipient of the disk image as described below. Either another
internal or external HDD can serve as the destination drive.

In lieu of undertaking the direct disk-to-disk cloning process that I
previously described, you could create a "disk image" (essentially a file
representing a backup archive) and store that disk image onto your USB EHD.
This "backup archive" is a compressed file, a "disk image" of your source
HDD.

Here are some step-by-step instructions re this disk imaging backup &
recovery process. (Again, the instructions relate to version 9 of the
Acronis True Image program. I assume the process is identical or
substantially the same with their version 10 program).



NOTE: The recipient of the disk image, presumably a USB external HD or an
internal HD, must be a formatted drive (unlike the case in a disk-to-disk
cloning operation where an unformatted or “virgin” HD can be used as the
destination disk).



1. With both your source and destination hard drives connected, access the
Acronis program and click “Backup” on main menu.

2. The “Create Backup Wizard” screen opens. Click Next.

3. “Select Backup Type” screen opens with two options:

a. The entire disk contents or individual partitions.

b. Files and folders.

Select a. and click Next.

4. “Partitions Selection” screen opens.

Disk 1 and Disk 2 are listed with their drive letter designations.

Check Disk 1 – the disk to be backed up – and click Next.

5. An informational message appears recommending an incremental or
differential backup if original full backup had previously been created.
Since this will be the first backup we will be selecting, just click OK to
close the message box.

6. Next screen is the “Backup Archive Location”. In the “File name” text
box, enter your backup drive letter and enter a file name for the backup
file, e.g., “F:\Backup 10-28”. Acronis will append the “.tib” file extension
to the filename. Click Next.

7. “Select Backup Mode” screen opens. Select “Create new full backup
archive” option and click Next.

8. “Choose Backup Options” screen opens with two options:

a. Use default option

b. Set the options manually

If you select the b. option, you can select various options listed on the
next screen. Two of them are of interest to us:

Compression level – Four options – None, Normal (the default), High,
Maximum.

There’s a “Description” area that shows the estimated size of the backup
archive depending upon the option chosen, and the estimated “creation time”
for each option.

(In this example, the actual size of the data to be backed up is 20 GB).

None – 20 GB and estimated creation time of 1 hr 40 min

Normal – 11.96 GB “ “ “ “ 50 min (Default)

High – 10.46 GB “ “ “ “ 1 hr

Maximum – 10.2 GB “ “ “ “ 1 hr

Backup priority – Low, Normal, or High

Low – “backup processed more slowly, but it will not influence other
processes running on computer.” (Default)

Normal – “normal speed but backup process will influence other processes
running on computer.”

High – “normal speed but backup process will strongly influence other
processes running on computer.”

(As an example, I selected Normal (default) compression level and High
backup priority. The backup archive totaled 15.8 GB compressed from 20 GB;
took 16 min 15 sec to create. Creating a disk-to-disk clone would probably
have taken no longer and possibly a bit faster.)

NOTE: You can set the defaults from the Acronis Tools > Options > Default
backup options menu items.

9. “Archive comments” screen opens allowing you to add comments to the
backup archive which you can review during the Recovery process. Click Next.

10. The next screen summarizes the backup operation to be performed. Review
the information for correctness and click the Proceed button.

11. The next screen will display status bars reflecting the progress of the
backup operation. After the backup operation finishes, an informational
message will appear indicting the operation was successfully completed.



Incremental Backups

1. After the initial backup archive has been created you can create
incremental backups reflecting any data changes since the previous backup
operation. This incremental backup process proceeds considerably faster than
the initial backup operation. This, of course, is the major advantage of
creating disk images rather than undertaking the disk-to-disk cloning
process.

Note that you must create the incremental backup file on the same HDD where
you created the original backup archive and any subsequent incremental
backup files.

2. Access the Acronis program as detailed above and move through the
screens. When you arrive at the “Backup Archive Location” screen, click on
the original backup archive file, or if one or more incremental backup files
were previously created, click on the last incremental backup file and
verify that the correct drive letter and file name are shown in the “File
name:” text box. After clicking Next, the program will automatically create
a file name for the incremental backup archive file, using the original file
name and appending a consecutive number - starting at 2 - at the end of the
file name. For example, say you named the original backup archive file
“Backup 10-28”. The first incremental backup file will be automatically
named “Backup 10-282” and the next incremental file “Backup 10-283”, etc.

3. On the following “Select Backup Mode” screen, select the “Create
incremental backup” option, click Next, and proceed through the screens as
above.



Recovery Process

The recovery process uses the Acronis “bootable rescue media” (CD) that you
created when you originally installed the Acronis program. If you didn’t
create that bootable CD at that time, you can create it now from the Acronis
program by clicking on the “Create Bootable Rescue Media” icon on the
opening Acronis screen and simply going through the screens to create the
bootable CD.

1. With both the drive containing the backup disk images and the drive you
want to restore connected and with the bootable rescue CD inserted, boot up.

2. At the opening screen, click on “Acronis True Image Home (Full Version)”.

3. The program will open after some moments. On the “Pick a Task” screen
that opens, click on “Recovery”.

4. The “Welcome to the Restore Data Wizard!” screen opens. Click on Next.

5. The “Archive Selection” screen opens. Navigate to the drive containing
the backup archive file(s) and select the last incremental backup file or
the original full backup file if no incremental backup files were
subsequently created. Ensure that the correct drive letter and filename are
entered in the “File name:” text box. Click Next.

6. The “Archive Date Selection” screen opens. Select (highlight) the last
incremental backup file from the listing and click Next.

7. The “Restoration Type Selection” screen opens. Select the option,
“Restore disks or partitions” and click Next.

8. The “Partition or Disk to Restore” will open. Click on “Disk 1” and click
Next.

9. After some moments the “Restored Hard Disk Drive Location” screen opens.
Select the HDD to be restored and click Next.

10. On the next screen select the “Yes” option to delete all current
partitions on the destination HDD. Click Next.

11. On the next screen select the “No” option and click Next.

12. On the next screen you have the option to validate the backup archive
before restoration. Click Next.

13. The final screen before the restoration operation begins will open.
Confirm that the information as shown is correct. Click Proceed.

14. Click OK when the “Completed recovery” message appears following the
recovery operation.

15. Remove the Acronis bootable rescue CD and close the Acronis program. The
system will reboot and following the Windows “Found New Hardware” message
the “System Settings Change” message box will appear. Click Yes for a
reboot.



So give this process a try and see if it meets your needs.

Anna
 
M

MaryL

Anna said:
MaryL:
Well, still using the Acronis program there is another backup/recovery
strategy you can employ so that your USB external HDD can contain your
existing data as well as the backup data. Or you could use your secondary
HDD as the recipient of the disk image as described below. Either another
internal or external HDD can serve as the destination drive.

In lieu of undertaking the direct disk-to-disk cloning process that I
previously described, you could create a "disk image" (essentially a file
representing a backup archive) and store that disk image onto your USB
EHD. This "backup archive" is a compressed file, a "disk image" of your
source HDD.

Here are some step-by-step instructions re this disk imaging backup &
recovery process. (Again, the instructions relate to version 9 of the
Acronis True Image program. I assume the process is identical or
substantially the same with their version 10 program).



NOTE: The recipient of the disk image, presumably a USB external HD or an
internal HD, must be a formatted drive (unlike the case in a disk-to-disk
cloning operation where an unformatted or "virgin" HD can be used as the
destination disk).

Great! I'll try that. Thank you very much!!

MaryL
 
P

P. Johnson

MaryL said:
I have a couple of questions that I hope someone can help with:
(1) I have the original Compaq Restore Plus disks that came with the
computer. The tiny manual with them only refers to a complete format.
Does anyone know if there is a way to do a "partial restore" where my
exisiting programs would not be lost?

No. If you are reinstalling Windows, you have to reinstall your software as
well, thanks to the Windows registry being sacked during reinstall. Saving
the registry would largely defeat reinstalling.
(2) In case I really do have to reinstall everything, how/what should I
backup so I can return Windows and newsgroups to their present settings --
newsgroups with threads that have been marked to follow, etc.?

You should save everything in Documents and Settings (there are hidden
folders there, so make sure when you back it up, you take those, too).
Back up any save files you put in oddball places (ie, anything outside "My
Documents."
 

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