VISTA; a joke?

[windowsUsers]

VISTA, this is a joke, right? Bill wanted to sell us a
really great sounding piece of software before he retired.
These are my impressions from a blurred weekend updating to
Vista.

I upgraded from XP Professional and my PC is a year old, with
1gb RAM. This upgrade took 3.5 hours and whats follows are
my frustrations:

Restart is a joke:
1. Flashing for 2 minutes
2. Message: Shutting Down
3. Message: Configuring Updates. What Updates?
4. Shutting Down.
5. 5 minutes later than the damn thing restarts.
6. 5 minutes after that I can acutally use my PC.

Could you make the shortcut icons any bigger. They
cover up half of the icon itself.

Click anywhere on on the task bar while the update is running
and the mouse freezes and 30 seconds later the window appears.
This never happened in XP.

Lets download a 450mb update to Visual Studio 2005, called Service
Pack 1,
that is not included in any upcoming MSDN subscriptions.
I am paying premium prices for this subscription, but I need to
download these updates manually, because they are not included on any
CD's.

Ok, so I downloaded this monster called SP1 and then, after clicking
the EXE I see
the following:

1. Started at 6:15pm
2. 6:20pm - Preparing to Install...
3. 6:35pm - Please wait while Windows configures VS2005...
4. 6:46pm - Do you want to install updates...
5. 6:48pm - Please wait while Windows configures VS2005...
5. 6:50pm - Gathering required information...
6. 6:55pm - Please wait while Windows configures VS2005.
Haven't I seen this message before?
7. 7:15pm - The following application should be closed before
continuing the update: Windows SideBar
8: 7:20pm - Please wait while Windows configures VS2005.
9: 7:27pm - Please wait while Windows configures VS2005. Time
remaining - 0 seconds
10: 7:55pm - Service Pack was successfully installed; then
11. 7:55pm: Please wait while Windows configures VS2005. Time
remaining - 0 seconds

Now execute Visual Studio 2005, and receive the following message:
'Visual Studio 2005 requires an Update for Windows Vista.'
This is mind numbing and so ridiculous.

Ctrl-Alt-Delete takes 30 seconds to respond.

Windows just freeze and display garbage, then suddenly everything
is updated. Hey, I have updated everything, my display drivers and
everything else.

I think we need to organize a class action suite against Microsoft.
They claimed this was the "Most thoroughly tested OS Ever". Really?
What the hell were they testing? Nothing works like it did in XP, so
what
the hell were they testing? The testing labs never had to click all
the
OK boxes that allow the user to download/browse or install something
new.

I believe this OS was a cruel joke, and we need to seek some
compensation
for the loss of time in rebuilding these systems. My hard drive is
cranking
away now, and I am not doing anything.

 

[Jon]

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VISTA, this is a joke, right? Bill wanted to sell us a
really great sounding piece of software before he retired.
These are my impressions from a blurred weekend updating to
Vista.

I upgraded from XP Professional and my PC is a year old, with
1gb RAM. This upgrade took 3.5 hours and whats follows are
my frustrations:

Restart is a joke:
1. Flashing for 2 minutes
2. Message: Shutting Down
3. Message: Configuring Updates. What Updates?
4. Shutting Down.
5. 5 minutes later than the damn thing restarts.
6. 5 minutes after that I can acutally use my PC.

Could you make the shortcut icons any bigger. They
cover up half of the icon itself.

Click anywhere on on the task bar while the update is running
and the mouse freezes and 30 seconds later the window appears.
This never happened in XP.

Lets download a 450mb update to Visual Studio 2005, called Service
Pack 1,
that is not included in any upcoming MSDN subscriptions.
I am paying premium prices for this subscription, but I need to
download these updates manually, because they are not included on any
CD's.

Ok, so I downloaded this monster called SP1 and then, after clicking
the EXE I see
the following:

1. Started at 6:15pm
2. 6:20pm - Preparing to Install...
3. 6:35pm - Please wait while Windows configures VS2005...
4. 6:46pm - Do you want to install updates...
5. 6:48pm - Please wait while Windows configures VS2005...
5. 6:50pm - Gathering required information...
6. 6:55pm - Please wait while Windows configures VS2005.
Haven't I seen this message before?
7. 7:15pm - The following application should be closed before
continuing the update: Windows SideBar
8: 7:20pm - Please wait while Windows configures VS2005.
9: 7:27pm - Please wait while Windows configures VS2005. Time
remaining - 0 seconds
10: 7:55pm - Service Pack was successfully installed; then
11. 7:55pm: Please wait while Windows configures VS2005. Time
remaining - 0 seconds

Now execute Visual Studio 2005, and receive the following message:
'Visual Studio 2005 requires an Update for Windows Vista.'
This is mind numbing and so ridiculous.

Ctrl-Alt-Delete takes 30 seconds to respond.

Windows just freeze and display garbage, then suddenly everything
is updated. Hey, I have updated everything, my display drivers and
everything else.

I think we need to organize a class action suite against Microsoft.
They claimed this was the "Most thoroughly tested OS Ever". Really?
What the hell were they testing? Nothing works like it did in XP, so
what
the hell were they testing? The testing labs never had to click all
the
OK boxes that allow the user to download/browse or install something
new.

I believe this OS was a cruel joke, and we need to seek some
compensation
for the loss of time in rebuilding these systems. My hard drive is
cranking
away now, and I am not doing anything.

The moral of the story is that an upgrade takes *alot* longer than a clean
install, which takes about 30 minutes.

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

Return Vista.
If you live in North America and Vista is retail, returns are easy.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


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[Dale]

You can always restore XP from backup and get a refund on Vista. I think
that's the only option because I'm just too tired to rip apart your post.

Dale


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[Bill Condie]

<<an upgrade takes *a lot* longer than a clean
install, which takes about 30 minutes.

Even faster. Three cigarettes did it

I think the original poster has "other issues.:

 

[Jon]

<<an upgrade takes *a lot* longer than a clean
install, which takes about 30 minutes.

Even faster. Three cigarettes did it

True. I added 10 minutes on to the end for an extra one ;-)

 

[nicholas hall]

20 min for me

NIK

<<an upgrade takes *a lot* longer than a clean
install, which takes about 30 minutes.

Even faster. Three cigarettes did it

I think the original poster has "other issues.:

 

[Saucy Lemon]

I installed Vista HB on bro's computer this afternoon and it went on clean
within about a half hour - very fast - no joke. Configuring the thing to his
liking, however, thereafter took a few hours ..

Saucy


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[Dale]

You must be tired, too. LOL

Return Vista.
If you live in North America and Vista is retail, returns are easy.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


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[Lang Murphy]

Well, honestly, I've only done clean upgrades, wiping disks and starting
clean. Updating is going to take longer, depending, I would guess, on how
much data Vista has to move around during install and how much free space is
on the drive.

Your restart experience is repeatable, every time you restart Vista?

I have no problem with the shortcut indicators on icons. Maybe Vista
TweakUI, if such a thing ever exists, might allow one to make the shortcut
indicators smaller...

Can't speak to your VS2005 issue...

Sounds like the indexer is running and that will slow your PC down during
the first day or two. If it's going on longer than that, perhaps you have
lots of files that need to be indexed.

I've been running Ultimate since November and find it responsive and
relatively easy to use. Like others here have posted; if'n you don't like
Vista, return it. BTW... there is a way to roll back to XP without starting
over, i.e., reinstalling XP. I believe there's a KB on MS's web site with
instructions on how to do that...

Lang

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[Roscoe]

You can always restore XP from backup and get a refund on Vista. I think
that's the only option because I'm just too tired to rip apart your post.

Dale

Thank you.

 

[Sascha Benjamin Jazbec]

What you have experienced with the Visual Studio SP1 happened to me, too.

Except I wasn't using Vista but XPSP2 at that time.

The Upgrade of VStudio on IBM T23 Laptop 1.2 GhZ/512 Ram took over one hour
to finish - I don't know what in detail, but it seems SP1 replaces at least
one third of the original files in VStudio..

It was a nightmare on XP, so I can imagine the surrounding issues exclusive
to Vista ( which has indeed a lot of bugs and is in no way "rtm-quality" )
but your bad scenario is more a Vstudio-thing, I can assure you.

The Update for Vstudio that is reported if it is running on Vista is only
for UAC to be implemented correctly to your development projects , you can
safely run Vstudio on vista without that recommanded update .

( meanwhile the XP I described above has been replaced with Vista Business
on said laptop - so I happened to see the "warning".. I ignored it,as I do
not UAC at all - my apps I am writing are intended for XP and most of them
are for me personally - I do not sell them or make any profit out of them,
so I don't care for Vista Useres ; not at this time .. let's give Vista one
year to grow serious.. )

I like the core features of vista a lot, the organizing and search stuff and
the speech recognition for example, all the eyecandy is only bloatware and
doesn't run on my Laptop anyway .. I don't care.

Have another PC that supports Aero and have Vista there with all bells and
whistels turned on, well looks good, but thats all.

SJ / germany

im Newsbeitrag

 

[Steve Cochran]

Yeah, it was an appropriate answer. <G>

steve

You must be tired, too. LOL

 

[Dale]

Ok, here goes.


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VISTA, this is a joke, right? Bill wanted to sell us a
really great sounding piece of software before he retired.
These are my impressions from a blurred weekend updating to
Vista.

I upgraded from XP Professional and my PC is a year old, with
1gb RAM. This upgrade took 3.5 hours and whats follows are
my frustrations:

Restart is a joke:
1. Flashing for 2 minutes
2. Message: Shutting Down
3. Message: Configuring Updates. What Updates?
4. Shutting Down.
5. 5 minutes later than the damn thing restarts.
6. 5 minutes after that I can acutally use my PC.

So, when the install was all done, did that improve? Did you do any
research on upgrading XP to Vista before you jumped in to it? It is common
knowledge in the newsgroups and on many Vista tech sites that the upgrade
process is slow.

Could you make the shortcut icons any bigger. They
cover up half of the icon itself.

Now that's one serious complaint you have there. It is the only legitimate
one in your list. Definitely worthy of a class-action suit.

Click anywhere on on the task bar while the update is running
and the mouse freezes and 30 seconds later the window appears.
This never happened in XP.

You're doing an OS upgrade! Don't do anything else until it is done. Next
time, you'll know, huh?

Lets download a 450mb update to Visual Studio 2005, called Service
Pack 1,
that is not included in any upcoming MSDN subscriptions.
I am paying premium prices for this subscription, but I need to
download these updates manually, because they are not included on any
CD's.

Ok, so I downloaded this monster called SP1 and then, after clicking
the EXE I see
the following:

1. Started at 6:15pm
2. 6:20pm - Preparing to Install...
3. 6:35pm - Please wait while Windows configures VS2005...
4. 6:46pm - Do you want to install updates...
5. 6:48pm - Please wait while Windows configures VS2005...
5. 6:50pm - Gathering required information...
6. 6:55pm - Please wait while Windows configures VS2005.
Haven't I seen this message before?
7. 7:15pm - The following application should be closed before
continuing the update: Windows SideBar
8: 7:20pm - Please wait while Windows configures VS2005.
9: 7:27pm - Please wait while Windows configures VS2005. Time
remaining - 0 seconds
10: 7:55pm - Service Pack was successfully installed; then
11. 7:55pm: Please wait while Windows configures VS2005. Time
remaining - 0 seconds

Did you read the Readme for VS2005 SP1? It took me nearly 4 hours on
Windows Server 2003 and only about an hour and a half on Vista. The problem
here is the service pack and all the things it is trying to update. Read
the lame note something to the effect that this is a big service pack
consisting of hundreds of megabytes so it will take a long time. What that
means is it is a big service pack and it will take a long time so we told
you now therefore don't complain later.

It sucks. It absolutely has to be poorly written. XP SP2 or W2K3 SP1
didn't take as long to install as VS2005 SP1 did. But its a VS2005 SP1
problem, not Vista.

Now execute Visual Studio 2005, and receive the following message:
'Visual Studio 2005 requires an Update for Windows Vista.'
This is mind numbing and so ridiculous.

Did you do ANY investigation in the MSDN site or newsgroups before trying to
run VS2005 on Vista? The requirement is well documented in many places.

Ctrl-Alt-Delete takes 30 seconds to respond.

Windows just freeze and display garbage, then suddenly everything
is updated. Hey, I have updated everything, my display drivers and
everything else.

I think we need to organize a class action suite against Microsoft.
They claimed this was the "Most thoroughly tested OS Ever". Really?
What the hell were they testing? Nothing works like it did in XP, so
what
the hell were they testing? The testing labs never had to click all
the
OK boxes that allow the user to download/browse or install something
new.

I believe this OS was a cruel joke, and we need to seek some
compensation
for the loss of time in rebuilding these systems. My hard drive is
cranking
away now, and I am not doing anything.

I don't have any of the other performance problems you have. It is most
likely your hardware or the drivers for your hardware. If Microsoft made
all of that hardware, I think you should absolutely sue the pants off of
them. Otherwise, your anger should be pointed elsewhere, don't you think?

If you find out that Microsoft hid it from the manufacturers of your
hardware that Microsoft has been working on a new OS for the last several
years, and that those manufacturers, therefore, had no opportunity to
develop and test drivers against several CTPs, betas, and release candidates
before the actual release, and then didn't have 60 days from RTM until
actual release to the public to finish their drivers - if you find any of
that to be the case, I would definitely sue the pants off of Microsoft.

And one more thing. Whomever it was that pointed the gun to your head and
forced you to lose all that time rebuilding a system that was apparently
working perfectly well before you installed Vista without any research -
that person - have them arrested. And sue the pants off of them, too.

HTH,



Dale

 

[Guest]

windowsUsers,

Respectfully, before "first" inserting Vista's Install DVD did you read the
proper method for performing a proper Vista install and Setup?

It seems too apparent that if you read 1st) proper Vista Install and Setup,
2nd) Vista's "Help and Support" Files, including, 3rd) Vista's new "Start
Search" Field (just type your request) also Microsoft's online Search, and
browsing the (tied for 1st) "Welcome Center" Information, very easily you
will learn more that ever could you imagine !

Vista is not Win XP; requires a new self-learning curve !

 

[Al]

windowsUsers,

Respectfully, before "first" inserting Vista's Install DVD did you read
the
proper method for performing a proper Vista install and Setup?

It seems too apparent that if you read 1st) proper Vista Install and
Setup,
2nd) Vista's "Help and Support" Files, including, 3rd) Vista's new "Start
Search" Field (just type your request) also Microsoft's online Search, and
browsing the (tied for 1st) "Welcome Center" Information, very easily you
will learn more that ever could you imagine !

And you are giving advice? Besides being a little condescending ****, your
tip is about as useful as a screen door on a submarine. Since when does one
have the ability (in this case) to read the listed help files you mention on
the Vista disk before inserting it, or when were you going to direct them to
the proper source (web site or whatever) for this method?

Vista is not Win XP; requires a new self-learning curve !

Hmm, looks like a Carey Frisch sockpuppet to me mimicking the love affair
with MS.

 

[Trini]

Install took just about 20 minutes for me
Ofcurse I did trash all unnecessary features with vLite, like Help ,what
has always been useless. Its good reading when you see computer first
time in your life; or languages I don't use.
The font is too big, changed it to 8 ,still big, but when I change to 7
it's too small :S How come DPI it's impossible to change smaller then
100% :S
I got rith of those stupid shortcut arrows with Tweak UI ,it runs when
extracted with winrar
Little more tweaking, and it starting look OK.

 

[windowsUsers]

I can't believe how much useful feedback and assistance I've received in the
preceding responses. I can see clearly now that I should never have
attempted to upgrade my existing XP. Clean installs are definitely the way
to go!
I can't wait to get started on reinstalling my VISTA the *right* way!

BTW, I really enjoyed that bit of juvenile, school-yard name-calling by Al
(you know; the **** thing...). I can't help but wonder if Al may have been
feeling a bit up-staged by J Schwartz 2.
Al, I think you've earned yourself a LCC (Little Condescending ****) award
for that flame.
-- Next time, Al, how about a LUL (Little Uplifting
Love)?


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[BSchnur]

Dale, don't rip the guy, after all, this newsgroup will be getting a
LOT of new folks here who haven't traipsed thru the tulips with Vista
since last summer or earlier.

Further, there is (as is always the case with new software) a certain
proportion of marketing hype regarding how getting this or that very
new product will improve your sex life. Some folks still believe that
and impulse buy things. Then they find that there is an element of
'junk mail' in marketing hype.

I suspect folks here will need to be more attuned to drawing
distinctions between 'vets' and folks very much new to Vista.

 

[BSchnur]

Actually did an upgrade install this past week -- only choice with the
MAPS subscription at the moment. Went fairly clean, one blue screen,
but once I got past that things were OK. That said, I'm not running my
full complement of applications on it so the in place upgrade wasn't
that messy to begin with.