VISTA; a joke?

[Dale]

The guy is a developer or other IT Pro, based on the applications he's
installing. He's not a typical home user who only knows how to surf the
net, download spyware, and play solitaire. There's a big difference.

I'm just glad he's not on my development team if he is going to take such a
big step as installing Vista and doesn't even check for compatibility before
hand - and even more so if he's going to complain so ignorantly.

Dale

 

[BSchnur]

The guy is a developer or other IT Pro, based on the applications he's

installing. He's not a typical home user who only knows how to surf the
net, download spyware, and play solitaire. There's a big difference.

I'm just glad he's not on my development team if he is going to take such a
big step as installing Vista and doesn't even check for compatibility before
hand - and even more so if he's going to complain so ignorantly.

Fair enough, I'm used to a support newsgroup which generally has
somewhat different 'rules of engagement'. It seems here civility does
have a lower place in the scheme of things. I just need to keep my
online personas and expectations appropriate to the climate.

 

[Dale]

This isn't paid support and he isn't our customer. We're peers. I don't
think we need to hold his hand.

I am much more gentle on those who are looking for help than for those who
are just stating opinions. He was just stating his opinions. There was no
help or support question. It wasn't a support issue - not even a peer
support issue.

Dale

 

[BSchnur]

This isn't paid support and he isn't our customer. We're peers. I don't

think we need to hold his hand.

I hear you -- over in my volunteer sysop home it also is not paid
support. We tend to avoid hand holding as it is peer support as well.

I am much more gentle on those who are looking for help than for those who
are just stating opinions. He was just stating his opinions. There was no
help or support question. It wasn't a support issue - not even a peer
support issue.

OK -- I can accept that as well, when we encounter someone in rant mode
over in my sysop home, the approach there is to work toward toning down
language and avoiding name calling -- event to 'rant mode' folks. Over
here it seems there a bit more of a carrot and stick approach (not
saying it isn't valid). Then again, with the traffic level here, and
the end user nature of the product in some of these newsgroups (such as
this one), you are much more likely to encounter Jerry Springerism thus
tend to develop more of the hammer and fist response rather than the
velvet glove.

My sense is that in more filtered newsgroups (say the server
newsgroups), the participant population is different and one doesn't
often encounter flame wars.

 

[Guest]

Exact same problems, I agree!! The people that sit on their duffs and say
that we are stupid are just luckier, it doesent work and hasent been tested
near enough! I am on a borrowed computer. Returns are not easy and you cant
go back to xp so what do you do, (i cant keep mine running long enough to try
to fix anything)

 

[Ben]

I'm sorry guys, you are just unlucky.

I have installed Vista RC1, RC2 and Vista OEM multiple times on a two/three
year old 1.7ghz AMD with just 512mb of ram and it has taken less time and
worked fine.

I have to disagree with you though... the fact that there were two
pre-release candidates made available for general download shows that
testing was extensive, however like any new operating system there are
teething problems, but when you think of the billions of possible hardware
setups there will be issues.

Have either of you managed an hardware undex score? maybe you could give us
details of these results to see if there are any identifiable issues.

 

[Scott]

VISTA, this is a joke, right? Bill wanted to sell us a
really great sounding piece of software before he retired.
These are my impressions from a blurred weekend updating to
Vista.

I upgraded from XP Professional and my PC is a year old, with
1gb RAM. This upgrade took 3.5 hours and whats follows are
my frustrations:

My upgrade went fine and my PC is 2.25 years old..

I'm running Ultimate x64.

Vista is for real.

My Box:
Motherboard: ASUS ''A8V Deluxe'' with VIA K8T800 Pro Chipset.
CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3500+ (2.2Ghz)
RAM: 2 GB (2048 MB - 4 x 512) Corsair CMX512-3200C2PRO PC3200 DDR400
with LED indicators.
Graphics Card: EVGA nVidia GeForce 6800 GT - 256 MB RAM
Hard Drives: (4) Maxtor Maxline Plus 7200 RPM SATA - 250 GB (that's a
Terabyte of storage baby!).
DVD Drive 1: NEC 3500A Dual Layer DVD Burner
DVD Drive 2: LiteON Combo Drive (DVD-ROM + CD Burner).
TV Tuner Card: Leadtek Winfast TV200 Expert
Sound Card: SoundBlaster Audigy 2 ZS
Case: CoolerMaster Cavalier 1.

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[Papa]

My upgrade went fine and my PC is 2.25 years old..

I'm running Ultimate x64.

Vista is for real.

My Box:
Motherboard: ASUS ''A8V Deluxe'' with VIA K8T800 Pro Chipset.
CPU: AMD Athlon 64 3500+ (2.2Ghz)
RAM: 2 GB (2048 MB - 4 x 512) Corsair CMX512-3200C2PRO PC3200 DDR400
with LED indicators.
Graphics Card: EVGA nVidia GeForce 6800 GT - 256 MB RAM
Hard Drives: (4) Maxtor Maxline Plus 7200 RPM SATA - 250 GB (that's a
Terabyte of storage baby!).
DVD Drive 1: NEC 3500A Dual Layer DVD Burner
DVD Drive 2: LiteON Combo Drive (DVD-ROM + CD Burner).
TV Tuner Card: Leadtek Winfast TV200 Expert
Sound Card: SoundBlaster Audigy 2 ZS
Case: CoolerMaster Cavalier 1.

Yes, yours works just fine in every respect, but too many others are having
real problems with their equally up-to-date systems.

Have we all forgotten the golden rule regarding new operating system
software (i.e., avoid trying it out until the release date is at least a
year old)? What's the rush, anyway? Windows XP is a great OS.

 

[Justin]

Yes, yours works just fine in every respect, but too many others are
having real problems with their equally up-to-date systems.

Have we all forgotten the golden rule regarding new operating system
software (i.e., avoid trying it out until the release date is at least a
year old)? What's the rush, anyway? Windows XP is a great OS.

That is a poor golden rule. You only need to wait for quality drivers for
your system. What rule says that will take a full year?

 

[David Morgan \(MAMS\)]

That is a poor golden rule. You only need to wait for quality drivers for
your system. What rule says that will take a full year?

I waited four years to move from 98SE and 2K to XP. It was well worth
the wait. I bought VISTA, joined these microsoft groups, and after a month
of reading, there's no way that this OS will go into anything I own or support
for some time to come.

 

[Papa]

That is a poor golden rule. You only need to wait for quality drivers for
your system. What rule says that will take a full year?

Well, would you take the risk if you didn't need to? Those in business don't
need any down time. As I implied, it is safer to wait a year or so. By then,
a service pack solving many of the typically early release problems should
be solved.

By the way, there is another golden rule: If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

 

[Justin]

Well, would you take the risk if you didn't need to?

It's not a mater of NEED. Unless you consider better efficiency a business
NEED? In that case, yes. Also, it's not a risk.

Those in business don't need any down time.

Downtime? Who said there would be downtime? I have Vista on 5 machines and
there hasn't been any downtime. The only downtime I could imagine would be
from a poor IT staff implementation.

As I implied, it is safer to wait a year or so.

You "say" that but you give no proof of that requirement.

By then, a service pack solving many of the typically early release
problems should be solved.

A service pack it's something to solve and SP1 for Vista will be bug fixes.
No feature changes. SP1 wont be anything you can't already download prior
to it's release. So again, your one year wait is not justified.

By the way, there is another golden rule: If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Ah, you are right. No need to move forward. Model Ts got us from point A
to point B so why did we continue car development? Why do we continue to
have Linux builds? Why do we continue to have OSX upgrades?

So XP works right NOW and should not be fixed? Are you telling us MS should
NOT continue its work on SP3 nor should they release it? There's a few
holes in your theories. Care to patch them up?

 

[AJR]

Have you checked the XP newsgroups lately - if XP, after some years and two
service packs, is superior at this point of time - how come the number of
"problems" and "complaints" are as numerous in the XP groups as the Vista
groups?

 

[Adam Albright]

It's not a mater of NEED. Unless you consider better efficiency a business
NEED? In that case, yes. Also, it's not a risk.


Downtime? Who said there would be downtime? I have Vista on 5 machines and
there hasn't been any downtime. The only downtime I could imagine would be
from a poor IT staff implementation.


You "say" that but you give no proof of that requirement.


A service pack it's something to solve and SP1 for Vista will be bug fixes.
No feature changes. SP1 wont be anything you can't already download prior
to it's release. So again, your one year wait is not justified.


Ah, you are right. No need to move forward. Model Ts got us from point A
to point B so why did we continue car development? Why do we continue to
have Linux builds? Why do we continue to have OSX upgrades?

So XP works right NOW and should not be fixed? Are you telling us MS should
NOT continue its work on SP3 nor should they release it? There's a few
holes in your theories. Care to patch them up?

Why or why does Justin always pretend to be the ultimate authority on
every topic? You just make noise. Isn't there a printer somewhere you
need to put toner in or something you're suppose to be doing, like put
new deodorizer cakes in the urnials or empty the garbage?

 

[Justin]

Why or why does Justin always pretend to be the ultimate authority on
every topic? You just make noise. Isn't there a printer somewhere you
need to put toner in or something you're suppose to be doing, like put
new deodorizer cakes in the urnials or empty the garbage?

1. I never said I'm the authority on EVERY TOPIC.
2. You did nothing to address my post. As usual. You are mostly a waste of
server space.

 

[Adam Albright]

1. I never said I'm the authority on EVERY TOPIC.
2. You did nothing to address my post. As usual. You are mostly a waste of
server space.

Your only useful function in this newsgroup is to serve as a punching
bag. In that task, you perform well as many know. Thanks!

 

[Papa]

Your only useful function in this newsgroup is to serve as a punching
bag. In that task, you perform well as many know. Thanks!

Don't waste your time. The kid is either a child who wants to argue, just
clueless, or he hasn't been reading the Vista forums. The wisest thing you
can do is plonk him, which I just did.

 

[Justin]

Your only useful function in this newsgroup is to serve as a punching

bag. In that task, you perform well as many know. Thanks!

Just to prove you a liar for the 20+ time, anyone can search for my name and
see otherwise. Off the top of my head, check out "upgrade to vista".

As usual adam fails to address his own mouth:

1. I never said I'm the authority on EVERY TOPIC.
2. You did nothing to address my post. As usual. You are mostly a waste of
server space.

 

[Terry]

On 3/30/2007 4:44 PM On a whim, Papa pounded out on the keyboard

Don't waste your time. The kid is either a child who wants to argue, just
clueless, or he hasn't been reading the Vista forums. The wisest thing you
can do is plonk him, which I just did.

Did the same yesterday myself.

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[Justin]

Don't waste your time. The kid is either a child who wants to argue, just
clueless, or he hasn't been reading the Vista forums. The wisest thing
you can do is plonk him, which I just did.

That's funny because two people (myself and AJR) replied to a post of you
making claims you can't backup.

So when you make statements that you can't backup and are asked to back them
up you plonk those people? That's pathetic.

Maybe someone else can plug the holes in your theories since you aren't
capable of doing as such:

Well, would you take the risk if you didn't need to?

It's not a mater of NEED. Unless you consider better efficiency a business
NEED? In that case, yes. Also, it's not a risk.

Those in business don't need any down time.

Downtime? Who said there would be downtime? I have Vista on 5 machines and
there hasn't been any downtime. The only downtime I could imagine would be
from a poor IT staff implementation.

As I implied, it is safer to wait a year or so.

You "say" that but you give no proof of that requirement.

By then, a service pack solving many of the typically early release
problems should be solved.

A service pack it's something to solve and SP1 for Vista will be bug fixes.
No feature changes. SP1 wont be anything you can't already download prior
to it's release. So again, your one year wait is not justified.

By the way, there is another golden rule: If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Ah, you are right. No need to move forward. Model Ts got us from point A
to point B so why did we continue car development? Why do we continue to
have Linux builds? Why do we continue to have OSX upgrades?

So XP works right NOW and should not be fixed? Are you telling us MS should
NOT continue its work on SP3 nor should they release it? There's a few
holes in your theories. Care to patch them up?