VERY, very slow shutdown

[Ritter197]

Thanks to all who wanted to help. I tried all (or mostly all) your
recommendations. Nothing seemed to help.
What DID help is to use the RESTORE Program which HP bundles with their
computer. It even allows one option which keeps all data. That was great. I
used it and all problems are finally solved.

Shutdown is normal in under 1 minute again. So, it was a software probem all
along, which is what I suspected.

Regards and thanks again

 

[Shenan Stanley]

I have gotten a new 4400+ HP computer, dual core, with WindowsXP.
SP#2

It takes sometimes forever (last night I went to bed and in the
morning it still had not shut down)

I have run 3 different programs (Ad-aware, Spybot search and
destroy and Adware away) plus an AV program NOD32. None find a
problem.

I have also run a defrag with Diskkeeper 10 two days ago, ( it
is also set to defrag in the background) but it still has this big
problem with shutdown.

My 2.8Ghz computer shuts down almost immediately by comparison,
running the same Windows XP, SP #2 and many more programs.

What are your ideas here ?

i like you to remove all that EXCESS free spyware AND ANIT VIRAL
, DISKKEEPER and excess software RUNNING SLOWING DOWN YOUR
COMPUTER you can all so check the TASK MANGER AND SEE HOW MANY
PROGRAMS ARE RUNNING.. I'AM RUNNING 59 1% CPU USAGE I HAVE DELL
3100 P4 HT 2.8 GHZ, genrally you want less than 50 applications
running in back
ground. mike

Unfortunately - your advice is based off no knowledge.
Nothing (mentioned by the OP) other than the AntiVirus (NOD32) is
actively running anywhere until it is manually ran by the user.
This means there are no extra processes running in the background.

As far as your generality (# of applications running)... some
people actually utilize their systems. =)

To me - after following the thread in its entirity - the problem
is a hardware one. Of course the only way to actually prove (to
the manufacturer) this would be to make a disk image "as-is",
format with nothing but Windows XP and all patches and see if it
runs okay. If it does.. Start adding things back slowly. If you
never get a slowdown - something was infesting your computer - but
it's okay now. If you get the slowdown immediately - it is
hardware or cruddy drivers. At least you have the full backup.

Thanks to all who wanted to help. I tried all (or mostly all) your
recommendations. Nothing seemed to help.
What DID help is to use the RESTORE Program which HP bundles with
their computer. It even allows one option which keeps all data.
That was great. I used it and all problems are finally solved.

Shutdown is normal in under 1 minute again. So, it was a software
probem all along, which is what I suspected.

Regards and thanks again

So essentially what boils down to a Repair Installation of Windows XP.
Interesting.

Glad your problem is resolved - hope it stays that way. My experience with
Repair Installs being what they are... I suggest backing up your system
often.

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

i like you to remove all that EXCESS free spyware AND ANIT VIRAL ,
DISKKEEPER and excess software RUNNING SLOWING DOWN YOUR COMPUTER
you can all so check the TASK MANGER AND SEE HOW MANY PROGRAMS ARE
RUNNING.. I'AM RUNNING 59 1% CPU USAGE I HAVE DELL 3100 P4 HT 2.8
GHZ, genrally you want less than 50 applications running in back
ground. mike

Over and above what Shenan Stanley points out, the *number* of programs
running, whether in the background or the foreground, is completely
irrelevant. What is significant is *which* programs you have running. Some
of them can certainly slow you down considerably, but others have no
perceptible impact on performance. A dozen of the latter kind will have less
effect on performance than one of the former.

 

[Guest]

try first menu bar (rght click) taskmanager( ctr+alt+del) end all existing
applications shown, then try again with shutdown, if this doesn't work you
can try a program called "enditall" search the web, this will close all
programs running ans then close the computer.... most of time as aall will
say it's background progs that aren' shut down.

 

[Ritter197]

After trying various suggestions here I finally used the Hewlett Packard
bundled Restore program, that left all data intact (applications had to be
re-installed though).

It fixed the problems and now shutdown has gone from 10 minutes to less than
60 seconds.

So, I am happy with their Restore program, which was different from the MS
Restore program for windows xp.(better!)

 

[Guest]

Troll? Isn't that what your mother raised?

A third party is often a company that provides an auxiliary product not
supplied by the primary manufacturer to the end user. A second-party
developer is a developer who, while being a separate entity from any
manufacturer, is tied to a specific one usually through contract or partial
ownership and makes products specifically for that manufacturer.

Tom
| So who's the "second party"?
|
| ---
| Ted Zieglar
| "Backup is a computer user's best friend."
|
| DatabaseBen wrote:
| > first party refers to "microsoft" the maker of "windows o.s."
| >
| > third party refers to companies not related to the first party
| >
| >
| >
| >
| >
| > | >> What is the definition of a "first party" driver? And what are "second
| >> party" and "third party" drivers?
| >>
| >> ---
| >> Ted Zieglar
| >> "Backup is a computer user's best friend."
| >>
| >> DatabaseBen wrote:
| >>> ok,
| >>>
| >>> in safe mode only first party drivers are loaded
| >>> while in normal mode first, second and third party drivers are all
| >>> loaded.
| >>>
| >>> try going to sysinternals.com and download autoruns
| >>> this will reveal all the drivers loaded and give you
| >>> the opportunity to remove them.
| >>>
| >>> it will divide the processes into tabs.
| >>> then review each line item and uncheck the ones
| >>> that is not needed or shouldn't be required by your system.
| >>> then double click the filename and the registry will open and
| >>> show you the modifications. If you change your mind later
| >>> you can recheck the disabled item.
| >>>
| >>> But it would be my
| >>> guess that any process that interferes with your system,
| >>> shouldn't be required to automaticatlly run without your help
| >>> or knowledge.
| >>>
| >>>
| >>> | >>>> In Safe mode it shuts down very quickly.
| >>>>
| >>>> Should I try uninstalling 1 application after another and see each
time
| >>>> whether that makes the shutdown quick?
| >>>>
| >>>>
message
| >>>> | >>>>> basically, it didn't take forever to shutdown.
| >>>>> simply putting it, the system didn't shutdown.
| >>>>>
| >>>>>
| >>>>> likely an issue with hardware....
| >>>>> try testing the theory via safemode..
| >>>>>
| >>>>> | >>>>>> I have gotten a new 4400+ HP computer, dual core, with WindowsXP.
SP#2
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>> It takes sometimes forever (last night I went to bed and in the
| >>>>>> morning it still had not shut down)
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>> I have run 3 different programs (Ad-aware, Spybot search and
destroy
| >>>>>> and Adware away) plus an AV program NOD32. None find a problem.
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>> I have also run a defrag with Diskkeeper 10 two days ago, ( it is
| >>>>>> also set to defrag in the background) but it still has this big
| >>>>>> problem with shutdown.
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>> My 2.8Ghz computer shuts down almost immediately by comparison,
| >>>>>> running the same Windows XP, SP #2 and many more programs.
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>> What are your ideas here ?
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>>
| >

 

[Shenan Stanley]

I have gotten a new 4400+ HP computer, dual core, with
WindowsXP. SP#2

It takes sometimes forever (last night I went to bed and in
the morning it still had not shut down)

I have run 3 different programs (Ad-aware, Spybot search
and destroy and Adware away) plus an AV program NOD32. None
find a problem.

I have also run a defrag with Diskkeeper 10 two days ago,
( it is also set to defrag in the background) but it still
has this big problem with shutdown.

My 2.8Ghz computer shuts down almost immediately by
comparison, running the same Windows XP, SP #2 and many
more programs.

What are your ideas here ?

basically, it didn't take forever to shutdown.
simply putting it, the system didn't shutdown.

likely an issue with hardware....
try testing the theory via safemode..
Ritter197:
In Safe mode it shuts down very quickly.

Should I try uninstalling 1 application after another and see
each time whether that makes the shutdown quick?

in safe mode only first party drivers are loaded
while in normal mode first, second and third party drivers are
all loaded.

try going to sysinternals.com and download autoruns
this will reveal all the drivers loaded and give you
the opportunity to remove them.

it will divide the processes into tabs.
then review each line item and uncheck the ones
that is not needed or shouldn't be required by your system.
then double click the filename and the registry will open and
show you the modifications. If you change your mind later
you can recheck the disabled item.

But it would be my
guess that any process that interferes with your system,
shouldn't be required to automaticatlly run without your help
or knowledge.

What is the definition of a "first party" driver? And what are
"second party" and "third party" drivers?

first party refers to "microsoft" the maker of "windows o.s."

third party refers to companies not related to the first party

So who's the "second party"?

A third party is often a company that provides an auxiliary
product not supplied by the primary manufacturer to the end user.
A second-party developer is a developer who, while being a
separate entity from any manufacturer, is tied to a specific one
usually through contract or partial ownership and makes products
specifically for that manufacturer.

Troll? Isn't that what your mother raised?

Joey0101,

I am confused as to what your response references and why it was made 41
days after the original posting/set of responses that seem to be in the part
of the thread you are replying to.

I am sure you have a reason to attack 'Ritter197' or DatabaseBen' or
'Ted Zieglar' or 'Tom Willett' - but I must be missing that reason in this
thread/part of it. Can you enlighten me?