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I can't find any way of looking for recent posts to old threads - say, posts
made in the last few days. New threads are easy to find because they're all
upfront - but if someone adds a post today, to a thread that was started a
couple of weeks ago, there seems to be no way of knowing it's happened except
by tracking back through all the pages - and life seems too short for that.

I must be missing something - can someone please tell me what?

 

[Tom Emmelot]

Hi Alan D,

what do u use for reading this mail, i use Mozilla Thunderbird to read
this newsgroups and click on "view unread" and all the mails are there
in front.

Regards >*< TOM >*<

Alan D schreef:

 

[Guest]

what do u use for reading this mail, i use Mozilla Thunderbird to read
this newsgroups and click on "view unread" and all the mails are there
in front.

Thanks Tom. I just use Internet Explorer (didn't know there was any other
way I could do it - and don't have anything else).

 

[Tom Emmelot]

Hi Alan D ,

look here:
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/software/newsgroups/default.mspx
At the bottom off that page click on: Open with Newsreader.

And XP uses your default newsreader to make a account.

Regards >*< TOM >*<

Alan D schreef:

 

[Guest]

look here:
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/software/newsgroups/default.mspx
At the bottom off that page click on: Open with Newsreader.

And XP uses your default newsreader to make a account.

Thanks Tom. I tried that - and Outlook Express opened, with an option to
search for newsgroups. But when I type in Windows Defender or something, it
tells me nothing meets those filter criteria. So I sit clicking buttons and
going round in circles.

I tried reading the only blurb I could find, but that only talked about what
happens when I use Internet Explorer to read newsgroups. Is there an idiot's
guide somewhere, on using Outlook Express to read newsgroups (with the
emphasis on 'idiot')?

 

[Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE]

Thanks Tom. I tried that - and Outlook Express opened, with an option to
search for newsgroups. But when I type in Windows Defender or something,
it
tells me nothing meets those filter criteria. So I sit clicking buttons
and
going round in circles.

I tried reading the only blurb I could find, but that only talked about
what
happens when I use Internet Explorer to read newsgroups. Is there an
idiot's
guide somewhere, on using Outlook Express to read newsgroups (with the
emphasis on 'idiot')?

To access these newsgroups using Outlook Express, please use the following
information for your NNTP client:

- NNTP Server: privatenews.microsoft.com
- Account name: privatenews\spyware
- Password: spyware

 

[Guest]

To access these newsgroups using Outlook Express, please use the following
information for your NNTP client:

- NNTP Server: privatenews.microsoft.com
- Account name: privatenews\spyware
- Password: spyware

Thanks for this, but I'm afraid it doesn't help me. I don't know what an
NNTP client is, nor do I know if I have one. And in Outlook Express I didn't
seem to be given the opportunity to put any of those details into a box
anywhere. It just kept asking me if I wanted to subscribe ... but I didn't
even know what I was supposed to be subscribing to. I didn't seem able
actually to do anything much.

 

[Guest]

Well, I've now spent hours fiddling about with Outlook Express, getting more
and more frustrated, trying to access this group using it. I discovered I
could subscribe to a whole bunch of newsgroups, except that I had to guess
what they all were, because the titles were all truncated to something like:
'Microsoft.public.wind.....'. But none of them seemed to have anything to do
with this Defender group; and if I search for 'Defender' in the search box, I
get a null response. So I'm about ready to take Outlook Express and dismember
it as painfully as possible, byte by byte.

Surely, surely, there must be a way to detect 'new posts' using Internet
Explorer, which otherwise is working perfectly for me? It's madness to
suppose something so essential isn't possible. Isn't it?

Can someone out there help, please?

 

[Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE]

Well, I've now spent hours fiddling about with Outlook Express, getting
more
and more frustrated, trying to access this group using it. I discovered I
could subscribe to a whole bunch of newsgroups, except that I had to guess
what they all were, because the titles were all truncated to something
like:
'Microsoft.public.wind.....'. But none of them seemed to have anything to
do
with this Defender group; and if I search for 'Defender' in the search
box, I
get a null response. So I'm about ready to take Outlook Express and
dismember
it as painfully as possible, byte by byte.

Surely, surely, there must be a way to detect 'new posts' using Internet
Explorer, which otherwise is working perfectly for me? It's madness to
suppose something so essential isn't possible. Isn't it?

Can someone out there help, please?

For OE:
As with most windows you can drag the edges or corners of the newsgroup list
to make the window larger.
As with most windows you can drag the column divider between Newsgroup and
Description to the right.
Or, you can select an newsgroup whose whole name does not show and hold down
the Control key while you tap the '+' on the number pad.
I have not found any decent way to use the Web interface.

 

[Guest]

For OE:
As with most windows you can drag the edges or corners of the newsgroup list
to make the window larger.

Thanks, yes - I'd already done this, but it made no difference to the
truncation of names.

As with most windows you can drag the column divider between Newsgroup and
Description to the right.

Hmmm. But there is no column divider...... Just a single panel with this
vast list of truncated names

Or, you can select an newsgroup whose whole name does not show and hold down
the Control key while you tap the '+' on the number pad.

Aha! Thank you! This works! (Incidentally, how on earth is anyone supposed
to discover this trick?)

This enabled me to read the full list of the hundreds of microsoft newsgroup
names, none of which have 'defender' in their name - which explains why when
I search for 'defender', I get a zero response.

So I'm still as far as I ever was from being able to access this newsgroup
from Outlook Express. Help, please!

 

[Donald Anadell]

Hi Allen D,

It looks like you have not yet created the proper Account in Outlook Express
that will give you access to the Microsoft Private News Server.

Instead, you are looking for this group on the Public Microsoft News
Server(and you can't get there from here).

Frank supplied you with the details you need in order to set up this Account
in Outlook Express:

NNTP Server Name : privatenews.microsoft.com
Account name: privatenews\spyware
Password: spyware

Note: the above are all case sensitive, use lower case letters.

I will attempt to give you a blow by blow description below on how to set up
this account in Outlook Express.

Open Outlook Express and follow these instructions:

1. Click on, Tools | Accounts... and click on the "News" tab.

2. Click on the "ADD" button and then on "News".
This will start the Wizard that will allow you to set up the Account you
need in order to reach this news group.

3. The first two screens in the Wizard will ask for your Name and Email
Address, be sure to use a dummy email address.

4. The third screen in the Wizard will ask you for the NNTP Server Name, in
this box type or copy and paste the Server name that was supplied by Frank:
privatenews.microsoft.com

Note: there will also be a checkbox on that screen labeled, "My news server
requires me to log on.", put a checkmark in that box.

5. The forth screen in the Wizard will ask you for the Account Name and
Password for the Account, use the Account Name that was supplied by Frank:
privatenews\spyware
and use the password that was supplied by Frank:
spyware

6. The last screen of the Wizard should tell you that you have now
successfully set up the Account for the Microsoft Private New Server.


Hope this is of some help to you.

Donald Anadell

 

[Guest]

I will attempt to give you a blow by blow description below on how to set up
this account in Outlook Express.

Donald, you're a gentleman and a scholar. Thanks ever so much. Your
directions were so clear that even I could go sailing merrily through them.

So, OK, I'm in. And I've 'subscribed' to the various Defender sections. But
so far the view of messages is very similar to the one I get with Internet
Explorer. What I want is to generate a view showing me only 'new' posts
(including new posts added to old threads) since my last visit. Could you, or
someone else, please tell me how to achieve that?

 

[Donald Anadell]

You're welcome Alan.

All the viewing options for Outlook Express are listed under View | Current
View, personally I've always used "Show all messages".
You can read about the various view options in the Help Section under
"Managing large numbers of messages", hopefully you will find one(View) that
suits your particular needs.

Donald Anadell

 

[Frank Saunders, MS-MVP OE]

Thanks, yes - I'd already done this, but it made no difference to the
truncation of names.


Hmmm. But there is no column divider...... Just a single panel with this
vast list of truncated names


Aha! Thank you! This works! (Incidentally, how on earth is anyone supposed
to discover this trick?)

This enabled me to read the full list of the hundreds of microsoft
newsgroup
names, none of which have 'defender' in their name - which explains why
when
I search for 'defender', I get a zero response.

So I'm still as far as I ever was from being able to access this newsgroup
from Outlook Express. Help, please!

Sorry. I usually include the list:

- microsoft.private.security.spyware.announcements
- microsoft.private.security.spyware.appcompat
- microsoft.private.security.spyware.general
- microsoft.private.security.spyware.install
- microsoft.private.security.spyware.networking
- microsoft.private.security.spyware.signatures
- microsoft.private.security.spyware.onlinecommunity

 

[Guest]

Hello Donald,

Reading the intrucctions given to Alan, you have the calm, reassuring tone
of a munitions expert telling you how to disarm a bomb. ;-)

Keep it up

 

[Guest]

Hello Donald,

Reading the intrucctions given to Alan, you have the calm, reassuring tone
of a munitions expert telling you how to disarm a bomb. ;-)

Yep. Donald was magnificent.

By the way, cutting the red wire (or was it the blue?) was the trickiest bit.

 

[Donald Anadell]

LOL...tick, tick, tick

Thanks Engel,

I must admit I had some previous experience with this issue in another news
group (OE Stationery News Group) when it moved from the Microsoft Public
News Server to the Microsoft Private News Server a couple of years back. At
that time I wrote lengthy Rich Text Tutorial replete with all the pertinent
images, so the process was still pretty fresh in my mind)

I guess I should also have suggested to Alan that once he has the Account
set up and working properly that he should back up the Account by exporting
it as a .iaf file in case he ever needed to set it up again. Should the
need ever arise, it's simply a matter of importing the .iaf file back into
Outlook Express to set up the account again.

Have a great week.

Donald Anadell

 

[Guest]

I guess I should also have suggested to Alan that once he has the Account
set up and working properly that he should back up the Account by exporting
it as a .iaf file in case he ever needed to set it up again. Should the
need ever arise, it's simply a matter of importing the .iaf file back into
Outlook Express to set up the account again.

Alan would be grateful for this suggestion, except that to him, the notion
of 'exporting it as a .iaf file' would seem as impossible as 'wurbling the
diddlewobbler' or 'splunging the doodlebanger'.
Would it be a simple matter for someone to tell me what a .iaf file is
please, and how to export one?

 

[Donald Anadell]

Hi Alan,

In Outlook Express you have the ability to backup all of your Mail and News
Accounts. The resulting backup file is saved with a .iaf(Internet Account
File) extension.

1. Open Outlook Express and click on Tools || Accounts.. || News
2. Highlight the News Account for this Microsoft Server
3. Click on the "Export" button

You will be presented with a Save As dialog box that will allow you to save
the settings for the Account to your Hard drive in the form of an .iaf file.
You can name the file with a name of your choice, just make sure it retains
it's .iaf extension.

The resulting file will contain all the pertinent data for the Account
including Server Name, Account Name, User Name, Password, and E-mail
Address.

Should you ever inadvertently delete the Account, or need to format your
hard drive, Setting up the Accounts again is simply a matter if importing
the saved .iaf files back into Outlook Express. Doing this will prevent
your having to set up all your Mail and News Accounts manually again should
the need arise.

To import your saved .iaf file back into Outlook Express:

1. Open Outlook Express and click on Tools || Accounts... || News
2. Click on the "Import" button
3. Point the dialog box to the saved .iaf file and it will be imported back
into Outlook Express.

Donald Anadell

 

[Guest]

1. Open Outlook Express and click on Tools || Accounts.. || News
2. Highlight the News Account for this Microsoft Server
3. Click on the "Export" button

You will be presented with a Save As dialog box that will allow you to save
the settings for the Account to your Hard drive in the form of an .iaf file.
You can name the file with a name of your choice, just make sure it retains
it's .iaf extension.

I said you were a gentleman and a scholar, Donald, but I fell far short of
the mark. You deserve to be a Living Legend.

I made that backup in 1 minute flat, thanks to you. Without your help, I
would never, never, never have figured out how to do it. If there were a
Defender pub, I'd buy you a drink.
Thank you, seriously. This has been much appreciated.
Cheers,
Alan