Using laptop HD on desktop, no power felt.

[Fred]

... which I have suggested some postings before

No you didnt until much later.

but the OP has not yet reported results on this.

He's only posted twice so far.

 

[Rod Speed]

You can, with most motherboards, build on a benchtop

We arent talking about a benchtop, we are talking about a laptop.

There are few laptops with hard drives that dont have a maintenance/bios
partition on the hard drive and so it makes sense to do the bios menu stuff
on that partition where there's a lot more space for a decent UI etc.

with no drives, and still access BIOS. The BIOS reports the fitted
RAM, and at the end of its self test, the BIOS reports
"No system found".

Laptops do that differently.

Could we have the make and model of the laptop?
Some BIOS's do not use the usual DEL key to access the BIOS screen.
I suspect some mfrs try to deter users from fiddling
with the BIOS settings, and do this by choosing
an unusual key combination to access BIOS.

And some dont show the user anything boot option wise if the hard drive
is missing or unrecognised because its a drive out of a different laptop.

 

[Rod Speed]

And some [laptops] dont show the user anything boot option wise if the hard
drive is missing or unrecognised because its a drive out of a different laptop.

So if the HD dies, it's no boot, and no access to any
recovery partition, the laptop becomes an expensive brick?

Nope, you just put in a replacement drive with the recovery partition on it.

And thats completely trivial to do if you did a full image of the physical drive before
it died. You just put that back on the replacement drive in a desktop system etc.

Not a shred of rocket science whatever required.

Ever tried to get mfr. service for a laptop that is
a few years old and (often just) out of warranty?
Yep.

Even getting batteries is a pain in the arse, all you can find are generics,

Wrong. I've done that repeatedly.

often of suspect quality. Forget it.

No need if its a decent brand of laptop that got a lot of battery
support and which uses the same battery in a lot of its models.

Just did it with a Compaq.

 

[Trent]

Trent wrote


Fraid so when he gets that with multiple laptop drives.

Wasn't commenting on the OP problem, just your assertion. If #reset is
being asserted due to a faulty PATA interface, the drive will not spin up.

 

[Fred]

Trent wrote

Wasn't commenting on the OP problem, just your assertion.

More fool you. I was clearly commenting on the OP's situation.

If #reset is being asserted due to a faulty PATA interface, the drive will not spin up.

Wrong, as always.

If the PC controller is completely dead, it wont be asserting #reset, stupid.

 

[XYLOPHONE]

Hello,

Here are even more details on my issue, and other experiments I did.

LAPTOP HD ON PC W/ADAPTOR:
- I have tried removing the data cable, and leaving only the power on.
Still no spin or motor sound or even vibrations (My ears are good, can
make difference between music on vinyl and CD). Furthermore, the
desktop BIOS detects no IDE drive. I borrow the cable end from the HD
which is normally in that PC.

ON THE LAPTOP:
- The laptop is a Compaq EVO N800c (Series PP2130 written on back)
using Pentium 4.
- The key sequence is CTRL-F10 (I think, because I quickly press many
keys), and when the BIOS is supposed to arrive, a small blue box
appears asking for a password. It gives 3 chances and everything
freezes on 3rd fail.
- There is 1 drive slot, I tried sliding both a Floppy and DVD drive.
In all cases, no boot, but the drive whirr once (floppy) or the CD in
drive spins up to full speed for a while, then slows down to low speed
and finally stops. This lets me think the drive (DVD or Floppy) is
tested in POST, but is not attempting to boot.
- I found 2 USB floppy drives. I tried both, and same thing. It's
POSTed, but apparently not trying to boot.
- While doing all these tests, I try the laptop with NO HD to see what
happens, and I get a strange message "Non-system disk or disk error,
replace and strike any key". This is strange, because it doesn't
attempt to boot from anything (afaik) but the message is exactly the
one of the boot sector of typical DOS/WINdows non-bootable disk. In
reality, it would somehow boot even if only to write that message. Or
it is an EXACT replica of that message in some kind of ROM or flash
memory. Now I just tried it with no floppy, no CD, no HD, and still
same message. If I press a key, it quickly disappears and reappears,
but nothing whirrs or light up even if there is a floppy or CD.
- And if I put the original XP HD it boots to that password no matter
boot option chosen, and the HD from other laptop just freezes with
cursor on top left, as I said in earlier post.

Any ideas?
Knowing the model, if anyone knows how to access CMOS battery or
jumper on motherboard, I could go that way, but I still keep this as
the last solution.

Thanks, again...


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Fred" <[email protected]>
Date: Jul 17, 8:50 pm
Subject: Using laptop HD on desktop, no power felt.
To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage, comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc

... which I have suggested some postings before

No you didnt until much later.

but the OP has not yet reported results on this.

He's only posted twice so far.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

 

[Rod Speed]

XYLOPHONE wrote

Here are even more details on my issue, and other experiments I did.

LAPTOP HD ON PC W/ADAPTOR:
- I have tried removing the data cable, and leaving only the
power on. Still no spin or motor sound or even vibrations

Feeling the drive with your hand is the best test for a spinup.

If it doesnt spinup in that config, there is some fundamental
problem with the adapter powering the drive.

(My ears are good, can make difference between music on vinyl and CD).

That doesnt say anything useful about how well you can hear very quiet sounds.

Furthermore, the desktop BIOS detects no IDE drive.

Thats because it never spins up.

I borrow the cable end from the HD which is normally in that PC.

ON THE LAPTOP:
- The laptop is a Compaq EVO N800c (Series PP2130 written on back)
using Pentium 4.

That can set an ATA password in the drive.
The maintenance manual calls it a DriveLock password.

That means that the drive cant be used even if its removed from the laptop.

- The key sequence is CTRL-F10

F10 actually.

(I think, because I quickly press many keys), and when the BIOS
is supposed to arrive, a small blue box appears asking for a
password. It gives 3 chances and everything freezes on 3rd fail.

- There is 1 drive slot, I tried sliding both a Floppy and DVD drive.
In all cases, no boot, but the drive whirr once (floppy) or the CD in
drive spins up to full speed for a while, then slows down to low speed
and finally stops. This lets me think the drive (DVD or Floppy) is
tested in POST, but is not attempting to boot.

It may not be set to boot either.

- I found 2 USB floppy drives. I tried both, and same thing. It's
POSTed, but apparently not trying to boot.

- While doing all these tests, I try the laptop with NO HD to see what
happens, and I get a strange message "Non-system disk or disk error,
replace and strike any key".

Nothing strange about that.

This is strange, because it doesn't attempt to boot from anything (afaik)

It clearly does and that is why you get that
message when there is no hard drive present.

but the message is exactly the one of the boot
sector of typical DOS/WINdows non-bootable disk.

Its the classic bios error message with no hard
drive present and nothing else to boot from.

In reality, it would somehow boot even if only to write that message.

What ?

Or it is an EXACT replica of that message in some kind of ROM or flash memory.

Yes, its what most bios report with nothing that can be booted.

Now I just tried it with no floppy, no CD, no HD, and still same message.

Because there is nothing it can boot from.

If I press a key, it quickly disappears and reappears,
but nothing whirrs or light up even if there is a floppy or CD.

It may not have them in the boot list.

- And if I put the original XP HD it boots to
that password no matter boot option chosen,

Thats normal with a bios password set. It wont
do anything until you enter the correct password.

and the HD from other laptop just freezes with
cursor on top left, as I said in earlier post.

Any ideas?
Knowing the model, if anyone knows how to access CMOS battery or
jumper on motherboard, I could go that way, but I still keep this as
the last solution.

http://bizsupport1.austin.hp.com/bc/docs/support/SupportManual/c01134170/c01134170.pdf
Section 1.3 tells you how to clear the cmos and reset the passwords.

http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsuppor...kId=101&prodTypeId=321957&prodSeriesId=316692
has all the manuals.

 

[Arno]

Hello,

Here are even more details on my issue, and other experiments I did.

LAPTOP HD ON PC W/ADAPTOR:
- I have tried removing the data cable, and leaving only the power on.
Still no spin or motor sound or even vibrations (My ears are good, can
make difference between music on vinyl and CD). Furthermore, the
desktop BIOS detects no IDE drive. I borrow the cable end from the HD
which is normally in that PC.

Hmm. It seems very likely the disk does not get power. Maybe your
adapter is broken.

ON THE LAPTOP:
- The laptop is a Compaq EVO N800c (Series PP2130 written on back)
using Pentium 4.
- The key sequence is CTRL-F10 (I think, because I quickly press many
keys), and when the BIOS is supposed to arrive, a small blue box
appears asking for a password. It gives 3 chances and everything
freezes on 3rd fail.

That may be a BIOS setup password.

- There is 1 drive slot, I tried sliding both a Floppy and DVD drive.
In all cases, no boot, but the drive whirr once (floppy) or the CD in
drive spins up to full speed for a while, then slows down to low speed
and finally stops. This lets me think the drive (DVD or Floppy) is
tested in POST, but is not attempting to boot.

Likely correct.

- I found 2 USB floppy drives. I tried both, and same thing. It's
POSTed, but apparently not trying to boot.

Likely not it the BOOT sequence in the BIOS setup.

- While doing all these tests, I try the laptop with NO HD to see what
happens, and I get a strange message "Non-system disk or disk error,
replace and strike any key".

That is the standard message, if none of the configured boot
devices are detected. It your case it looks as if the machine
is set to only boot from HDD. Generally this does not allow
diagnostics in case of problems, as you are finding out. The
typical fix is to go into the BIOS setup (which does not
require the HDD or anything, just possibly the BIOS setup
password) and configure an additionsl boot device.

This is strange, because it doesn't
attempt to boot from anything (afaik) but the message is exactly the
one of the boot sector of typical DOS/WINdows non-bootable disk. In
reality, it would somehow boot even if only to write that message. Or
it is an EXACT replica of that message in some kind of ROM or flash
memory. Now I just tried it with no floppy, no CD, no HD, and still
same message. If I press a key, it quickly disappears and reappears,
but nothing whirrs or light up even if there is a floppy or CD.

Not strange, but likely nothing but the HDD is configured to be
bootable.

- And if I put the original XP HD it boots to that password no matter
boot option chosen, and the HD from other laptop just freezes with
cursor on top left, as I said in earlier post.

Any ideas?

You could try to copy the XP installation to a different disk
in order to determine whether the laptop BIOS is expecting
this particular disk or just the system on it.

Knowing the model, if anyone knows how to access CMOS battery or
jumper on motherboard, I could go that way, but I still keep this as
the last solution.

Thanks, again...

Here are some references that may describe your issue:

http://forums13.itrc.hp.com/service...47627+1248121832472+28353475&threadId=1056906

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080320220803AAJzJNM

http://bizsupport1.austin.hp.com/bc/docs/support/SupportManual/c01134170/c01134170.pdf

It seems this thing can be locked and that others went the way
of disconnecting the CMOS battery. The third link is the
"Maintenance and Service guide", that seems to be what
you are looking for, see Section 5.17.

Arno

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Fred" <[email protected]>
Date: Jul 17, 8:50?pm
Subject: Using laptop HD on desktop, no power felt.
To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage, comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc

No you didnt until much later.

 

[Trent]

Trent wrote


More fool you. I was clearly commenting on the OP's situation.

Don't give a **** about the OP problem, just your idiotic incorrect
assertion, dick-less.

Wrong, as always.

Nope. Go ahead and try it, shitlips. Short #reset to GND and power up the
motherboard; the drive will *not* spin up.

If the PC controller is completely dead, it wont be asserting #reset, stupid.

Now and again one has to apply the Ruler of Reason to the Knuckles of
Stupidity. If the PATA port is completely dead, #reset could be driven or
not. No one can say, you numb, flatulent ****.

 

[Fred]

Don't give a **** about the OP problem, just your idiotic incorrect
assertion, dick-less.

Wota stunningly rational line of argument you have there, child.

Yep.

Go ahead and try it, shitlips. Short #reset to GND

That wont happen even if the PC controller is completely dead, ****wit child.

and power up the motherboard; the drive will *not* spin up.

Pity that wont happen even if the PC controller is completely dead, ****wit child.

Now and again one has to apply the Ruler of Reason to the Knuckles of Stupidity.

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

If the PATA port is completely dead, #reset could be driven or not. No one can say,

Wrong, as always.

you numb, flatulent ****.

Wota stunningly rational line of argument you have there, ****wit child.

 

[Trent]

Wota stunningly rational line of argument you have there, child.

Ever hear of topic drift, Pinhead?

Yep.

Absolutely, positively, not.

That wont happen even if the PC controller is completely dead, ****wit child.

It can, but you're much too ignorant to understand why. Shorting it to GND
would simulate a controller that is dead in such a way as to be asserting
#reset.

Pity that wont happen even if the PC controller is completely dead, ****wit child.

See above, Chim-Chim.

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

The true Rod comes out. When will you begin your snip-n-run tactics?

Wrong, as always.

Completely correct, Mongo.

Wota stunningly rational line of argument you have there, ****wit child.

Starting to repeat yourself just like you did when I kicked your flabby
ass over this exact same issue in 2007. Heh.

 

[Fred]

Ever hear of topic drift, Pinhead?

Wota stunningly rational line of argument you have there, child.

Absolutely, positively, not.

Wrong, as always.

It can, but you're much too ignorant to understand why.

Wota stunningly rational line of argument you have there, child.

Shorting it to GND would simulate a controller that
is dead in such a way as to be asserting #reset.

Wrong, as always. No dead controller would short that, ****wit child.

See above

Completely useless, as always with your shit, ****wit.

The true Rod comes out. When will you begin your snip-n-run tactics?

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

Completely correct, Mongo.

Wrong, as always.

Starting to repeat yourself just like you did when I kicked your
flabby ass over this exact same issue in 2007. Heh.

Only in your pathetic little drug crazed fantasyland, ****wit child.

 

[Trent]

Wota stunningly rational line of argument you have there, child.

Indeed. And you'd do well to remember that, Rain Man.

Wrong, as always.

It's an easy experiment to do. Instead of making a fool of yourself on
Usenet (again) why don't you power up a drive with it's #reset signal
connected to GND?

Well?



Wota stunningly rational line of argument you have there, child.

That goes without saying. A pity you're unable to keep up.

Wrong, as always. No dead controller would short that, ****wit child.

You have no way of knowing *how* a piece of silicon will behave when it
fails, Rain Man. In fact, when a chip fails internally, one of the most
common faults is that one or more of it's outputs will be driven low.
Like #reset, for example. Heh.

Completely useless, as always with your shit, ****wit.

It's a good thing you aren't wearing cleats, as often as you step
on your crank.

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

I've noticed. That's usually when you start churning out weak comebacks
like that.

Wrong, as always.

How ****ing persistent you are. I admire a captain that goes down with his
ship, though.

Only in your pathetic little drug crazed fantasyland, ****wit child.

Would you like a re-post?

 

[Rod Speed]

Some gutless ****wit desperately cowering behind
Trent desperately attempted to bullshit its way out of its
predicament and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always.

 

[XYLOPHONE]

Thanks Arno, for the links. I know how to unmount everything...

Meanwhile, I have been able to get another adapter, and format the
HDD.
No password anymore! I made it a bootable disk (making a Ghost copy of
the desktop partition).
I put the drive back in the laptop, and surprise! Nothing happens,
just a blank screen with cursor at top left!!! So it's just the same
symptoms as the other drive that came from the other laptop.
I discovered the original laptop drive is a 60GB drive. The one from
the other laptop is a 20GB drive.
I know this is the Windows from another machine, but I expected it to
boot to some point, freeze, or crash... If I only could get to a DOS
prompt, I could try and reset battery using DEBUG. How would I do
this, now that the original drive is erased, and made bootable again.

Thanks.

 

[Rod Speed]

Thanks Arno, for the links. I know how to unmount everything...

Meanwhile, I have been able to get another adapter, and format the HDD.
No password anymore! I made it a bootable disk (making a Ghost copy of
the desktop partition).
I put the drive back in the laptop, and surprise! Nothing happens,
just a blank screen with cursor at top left!!! So it's just the same
symptoms as the other drive that came from the other laptop.
I discovered the original laptop drive is a 60GB drive. The one from
the other laptop is a 20GB drive.
I know this is the Windows from another machine, but I expected it to
boot to some point, freeze, or crash...

Its actually the classic result you get if the Win install was on a system
with the chipset different enough to the one you are getting that effect with.

If I only could get to a DOS prompt, I could try and reset battery using DEBUG.

The manual link I gave you tells ou how to reset the laptop
at a variety of levels, reset the password, reset the cmos etc.

How would I do this, now that the original
drive is erased, and made bootable again.

Normally you could fix that blank screen with a cursor at top left
by booting from the Win CD and doing a repair install. But you said
cant boot the Win CD. Maybe you can now that the password is gone.

If that doesnt work, reset the cmos as the manual says and boot
the Win CD once you can tell the laptop to boot off the CD.

 

[Trent]

<[email protected]>:

I noticed that I didn't get a response to my last post in this subject, so
I google groped this thread to see if you had replied. Sure enough, like
Pavlov's dog, you did. But, understandably, your "Rod Speed" persona is
kill-filed.

[All my valid assertions go MIA.]

But, I'll summarize again. Take *any* PATA hard drive and short pin 1 to
pin 2, (#RESET to GND) then apply power to the drive. The motor will *not*
spin up. This will not hurt the drive whatsoever, in case anybody might
not know this - you could even use a flat blade screwdriver to short the
two pins. Rod is probably unable to find these two pins on a PATA drive,
so is unable to perform this simple test.

Anyway, on to Rod's copy-n-paste canned response:

Some gutless ****wit desperately cowering behind
Trent desperately attempted to bullshit its way out of its
predicament and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always.

Three days ago I posted:

From: Trent <[email protected]>
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc
Subject: Re: Using laptop HD on desktop, no power felt.
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 06:20:02 -0400
Message-ID: <[email protected]>

The true Rod comes out. When will you begin your snip-n-run tactics?

Heh. SPANK, you ****ing weak-kneed pussy.

Don't bother "cowering behind" your kill-filed "Rod Speed" nym if you want
me to see your response, ****nuts. I won't bother taking the time to
Google group search this thread again.

Buh-bye!

 

[Rod Speed]

Some gutless ****wit desperately cowering behind
Trent desperately attempted to bullshit its way out of its
predicament and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always.

 

[Arno]

Thanks Arno, for the links. I know how to unmount everything...

Meanwhile, I have been able to get another adapter, and format the
HDD.
No password anymore! I made it a bootable disk (making a Ghost copy of
the desktop partition).

Ok, first step accomplished, the disk works and has what you want on it.

I put the drive back in the laptop, and surprise! Nothing happens,
just a blank screen with cursor at top left!!! So it's just the same
symptoms as the other drive that came from the other laptop.
I discovered the original laptop drive is a 60GB drive. The one from
the other laptop is a 20GB drive.
I know this is the Windows from another machine, but I expected it to
boot to some point, freeze, or crash... If I only could get to a DOS
prompt, I could try and reset battery using DEBUG.

How would I do
this, now that the original drive is erased, and made bootable again.

Thanks.

If they implemented the password protection right, then you cannot.

You should have a look at the battery removal instructions, form
a quick glance they did not seem to problematic.

Arno

 

[John Turco]

Some gutless ****wit desperately cowering behind Trent desperately attempted
to bullshit its way out of its predicament and fooled absolutely no one at
all, as always.

Hello, Rod:

In the message that you'd deleted, "Trent" the knucklehead had said, he'd
"google groped this thread." In my opinion, if he would grope a Google, it's
safe to assume he'd fondle a floppy, or perhaps, even pet a Pentium.

Hence, he definitely appears to be among the most depraved of Poms!