BIOS won't recognize a TIVO SATA HD


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mike

BIOS won't recognize a TIVO SATA HD

I have a Western digital WD3200AVJS
SATA hard drive removed from a TIVO.

I want to use it in a Windows machine.

Dell 4600 Computer BIOS says there's no hard drive.
I can boot a Linux Live CD, Partition, Format it NTFS,
mount and copy files back and forth to the drive.

But Bios doesn't recognize it, so Windows can't find it.
Tried booting the XP install CD. It bluescreens.
Tried booting the Win7 install Cd. It says drive 0
has 0 bytes of unallocated space and it can't install
on that drive.

I've tried setting the speed limit jumper and messed around
with other jumpers to no avail.

The drive doesn't seem to spin up when I try to boot a windows cd,
but does spin up with a linux live cd.

Different SATA drive works fine with windows.
Tried three different computers, but they're all DELL.
Tired USB/SATA bridge. Doesn't find a drive.

I tried WD Datalifeguard...no help.

I've used TIVO IDE drives in windows before, but this is my
first attempt with a SATA.

I don't normally run linux, so its current abilities are
not useful to me.

Any way to make this work in windows?
Drive firmware? Low level configuration utility?

Windows utility that could mount a SATA drive not
found by the bios? Could at least run it as a secondary backup drive.

Ideas?
Thanks, mike
 
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G

GMAN

BIOS won't recognize a TIVO SATA HD

I have a Western digital WD3200AVJS
SATA hard drive removed from a TIVO.

I want to use it in a Windows machine.

Dell 4600 Computer BIOS says there's no hard drive.
I can boot a Linux Live CD, Partition, Format it NTFS,
mount and copy files back and forth to the drive.

But Bios doesn't recognize it, so Windows can't find it.
Tried booting the XP install CD. It bluescreens.
Tried booting the Win7 install Cd. It says drive 0
has 0 bytes of unallocated space and it can't install
on that drive.

I've tried setting the speed limit jumper and messed around
with other jumpers to no avail.

The drive doesn't seem to spin up when I try to boot a windows cd,
but does spin up with a linux live cd.

Different SATA drive works fine with windows.
Tried three different computers, but they're all DELL.
Tired USB/SATA bridge. Doesn't find a drive.

I tried WD Datalifeguard...no help.

I've used TIVO IDE drives in windows before, but this is my
first attempt with a SATA.

I don't normally run linux, so its current abilities are
not useful to me.

Any way to make this work in windows?
Drive firmware? Low level configuration utility?

Windows utility that could mount a SATA drive not
found by the bios? Could at least run it as a secondary backup drive.

Ideas?
Thanks, mike


I bet they set the PM2 Mode or (Power Up In Standby mode) at the factory. This
requires the controller that the drive is connected to to control the spinup
of the drive. There is a jumper on the back of some of the WD SATA drives that
once this is set, it requires some other software to reset the drive back to
normal mode. You can try removing the jumper if there is one on pins 3 and 4 .
If removing the jumper doesnt help then there was one software out there i
found that allowed you to change that back. Its called HDAT2

http://www.hdat2.com/


Just download the file at
http://www.hdat2.com/files/hdat2iso_481.exe

burnt the ISO file to a blank CD. then boot with it . Once it boots to the
command promt, all you have to do is type the following:

HDAT2 /W

Thats it, once it enters into the program, you can just reboot. You dont need
to piss with any other settings. I wouldnt if you dont know hwat you are
doing. Just reboot or shutdown , and when you boot back up, the bios should
autodetect the drive just peachy keen.



Read this at the FAQ at the site
http://www.hdat2.com/hdat2_faq.html#q17

"The optional Power-Up In Standby (PUIS) feature set allows devices to be
powered-up into the Standby power management state to minimize current at
power-up and to allow the host to sequence the spin-up of devices.
This optional feature set may be enabled or disabled via the SET FEATURES
command or may be enabled by use of a jumper, or both. When enabled by a
jumper, this feature set shall not be disabled via the SET FEATURES command.

Once this feature is enabled in a device, the device shall not disable the
feature as a result of processing a power-on reset, a hardware reset, or a
software reset.

If the device implements this SET FEATURES subcommand and power-up into
Standby is enabled, the device shall remain in Standby until the SET FEATURES
subcommand is received.

If the device does not implement the SET FEATURES subcommand to spin-up the
device after power-up and PUIS is enabled, the device shall spin-up upon
receipt of the first command that requires the device to access the media,
except the IDENTIFY DEVICE command or the IDENTIFY PACKET DEVICE command.

Solution for HDAT2 program: if you have a hard disk with enabled PUIS (cannot
spin up and BIOS cannot recognize this drive) run program with parameter /W
Wake/Spin-up the drive:


HDAT2 /W




So to make a long story short, Download and burn to CD, reboot and at the
command promt type

HDAT2 /W

Wait a short while till the program runs and you are in the HDAT2 menu, then
take CD out, Shut down PC, then boot up and you should be back in business.









I used it on a 320 GB SATA Hitachi drive that i removed from a DISH network
DVR that i salveaged from a salvation army store for $3.




Look here
http://www.wdc.com/en/library/eide/2579-001037.pdf
 
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Rod Speed

mike said:
BIOS won't recognize a TIVO SATA HD
I have a Western digital WD3200AVJS
SATA hard drive removed from a TIVO.
I want to use it in a Windows machine.
Dell 4600 Computer BIOS says there's no hard drive.
I can boot a Linux Live CD, Partition, Format it NTFS,
mount and copy files back and forth to the drive.
But Bios doesn't recognize it, so Windows can't find it.

Win can see drives that the bios cant see.
Tried booting the XP install CD. It bluescreens.

Certainly looks like some problem with that particular drive.
Tried booting the Win7 install Cd. It says drive 0 has 0 bytes of unallocated space and it can't install on that
drive.
I've tried setting the speed limit jumper and messed around
with other jumpers to no avail.

It shouldnt be that if linux can see it fine.
The drive doesn't seem to spin up when I try to boot a windows cd, but does spin up with a linux live cd.

Likely that is some fundamental drive problem which
produces different symptoms with what CD you boot.
Different SATA drive works fine with windows.

Which indicates some problem with that ex Tivo drive.
Tried three different computers, but they're all DELL.
Tired USB/SATA bridge. Doesn't find a drive.
I tried WD Datalifeguard...no help.
I've used TIVO IDE drives in windows before, but this is my
first attempt with a SATA.
I don't normally run linux, so its current abilities are not useful to me.
Any way to make this work in windows?
Drive firmware? Low level configuration utility?
Windows utility that could mount a SATA drive not found by the bios?

Win itself checks for drives not visible by the bios.
Could at least run it as a secondary backup drive.

Is it really worth the trouble with 2TB drives now so cheap ?
 
M

mike

GMAN said:
I bet they set the PM2 Mode or (Power Up In Standby mode) at the factory. This
requires the controller that the drive is connected to to control the spinup
of the drive. There is a jumper on the back of some of the WD SATA drives that
once this is set, it requires some other software to reset the drive back to
normal mode. You can try removing the jumper if there is one on pins 3 and 4 .
If removing the jumper doesnt help then there was one software out there i
found that allowed you to change that back. Its called HDAT2

http://www.hdat2.com/


Just download the file at
http://www.hdat2.com/files/hdat2iso_481.exe
Thanks, that did the trick.

New question.
I went looking for datalifeguard tools. I found stuff that claimed to
be the tools
but only was the diagnostic part. Missing the formatting parts.
Only thing I can find on the WDC site is Acronis somethingnorother.
Not helpful if you have one drive that don't work and need to make
it work.
Is there a place to download datalifeguard tools that has the actual
tools part in it?
Thanks, mike
 
M

mike

Rod said:
Win can see drives that the bios cant see.


Certainly looks like some problem with that particular drive.



It shouldnt be that if linux can see it fine.


Likely that is some fundamental drive problem which
produces different symptoms with what CD you boot.


Which indicates some problem with that ex Tivo drive.







Win itself checks for drives not visible by the bios.


Is it really worth the trouble with 2TB drives now so cheap ?
Where are you finding 2TB for $0.003/gigabyte?
Seems a waste to throw it away when someone already told me how to fix it.
 
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mike

Rod said:
300GB is too small to bother with.


I dont use drives I have that are that size.
I never understood the infatuation with big drives.
My largest boot partition is 24GB for bloated win7. XP are half that
and they're all half full.
What the heck do people need to have online all the time?
 
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Rod Speed

mike wrote
Rod Speed wrote
I never understood the infatuation with big drives.

Because you dont do what those who use them use them for.
My largest boot partition is 24GB for bloated win7. XP are half that and they're all half full.
What the heck do people need to have online all the time?

Never said a word about online all the time.

I use TB hard drives for what I have recorded off free to air TV so I can watch
what I feel like watching when I feel like watching what have have on them.

They arent in fact online all the time and are used in HD docking stations.
 
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GMAN

Thanks, that did the trick.

New question.
I went looking for datalifeguard tools. I found stuff that claimed to
be the tools
but only was the diagnostic part. Missing the formatting parts.
Only thing I can find on the WDC site is Acronis somethingnorother.
Not helpful if you have one drive that don't work and need to make
it work.
Is there a place to download datalifeguard tools that has the actual
tools part in it?
Thanks, mike
Acronis WD Edition is the windows base formatting and partitioning software.
It also can clone disks etc....... If the drive is now recognised by the
bios, you would normally go into CONTROL PANEL, ADMINISTRATIVE TOOLS,
COMPUTER MANAGEMENT, DISK MANAGEMENT, then right click on the unpartitioned
drive and tell it to create partition.


Or just use the Acronis WD Edition to partition and format the drive.
 
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GMAN

300GB is too small to bother with.
Its not bad for a boot drive. I would still plop in a larger data drive as
secondary. But for most peoples general home use i rarely see people fill a
300GB drive. I am talking mom and pops, grandparents, or light use people.
People like you and me Rod, want terrabytes of data for our pleasure. I do
massive DV video editing from a huge rack system i have built and so i need
the large drives. But i would never use a 2TB drive as a boot drive.
 
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Rod Speed

GMAN wrote
Its not bad for a boot drive. I would still plop in a larger datadrive as
secondary. But for most peoples general home use i rarely see people fill
a 300GB drive. I am talking mom and pops, grandparents, or light use people.
People like you and me Rod, want terrabytes of data for our pleasure.

We arent that unusual anymore with hordes replacing VCRs
with something with hard drives in them for the storage.
I do massive DV video editing from a huge rack system i have built and so
i need the large drives. But i would never use a 2TB drive as a boot drive.

Works fine in the PVR.

No point in having a separate smaller boot drive.
 
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mike

GMAN said:
Acronis WD Edition is the windows base formatting and partitioning software.
It also can clone disks etc....... If the drive is now recognised by the
bios, you would normally go into CONTROL PANEL, ADMINISTRATIVE TOOLS,
COMPUTER MANAGEMENT, DISK MANAGEMENT, then right click on the unpartitioned
drive and tell it to create partition.


Or just use the Acronis WD Edition to partition and format the drive.
I have not made myself clear.
Lots of options when windows boots and recognizes the drive.
I'm looking for a tool that can be used when windows is NOT running.
Like when you have only one blank drive. Need something that boots from a
CD and does the function. I believe that WD had a tools disk that did this
before they switched to acronis.

I'll check again, but as I recall, Acronis WD Edition had to be installed
to a running windows drive...and the drive had to be a WD drive
or it wouldn't install at all.

I'd like to have the older datalifeguard tools in my toolbox.
 
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GMAN

GMAN wrote
with a SATA.




We arent that unusual anymore with hordes replacing VCRs
with something with hard drives in them for the storage.


Works fine in the PVR.

No point in having a separate smaller boot drive.

Yes , of course. In a DVR or PVR like a Tivo or standalone unit, of course. I
was just saying that 300GB is fine for a boot drive for a general use PC.
 
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Rod Speed

GMAN wrote
Yes , of course. In a DVR or PVR like a Tivo or standalone unit, of course.
I was just saying that 300GB is fine for a boot drive for a general use PC.

Too small for me on my general use PC.
 
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mm

We arent that unusual anymore with hordes replacing VCRs
with something with hard drives in them for the storage.

So what hardware and software do you use for this?


I have a philips DVDR with harddrive that does over the air, but it's
got clear defects. Most of it is very good, and a list of the
defectds would bore you all, and they're not going to release a
firmware update or new model, it's pretty clear. There is only one
other model on the market, Channel Master CM-7000PAL OTA HDTV , and I
woudln't be surprised if it's made by the same people with the same
flaws. Unless I go to HiDef and pay 1000 dollars, and that one too
might have the same flaws I don't want, even if it has other features.
 
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Rod Speed

mm wrote
So what hardware and software do you use for this?

I use a PC with digital TV capture cards and DVB TV Web Scheduler.
I have a philips DVDR with harddrive that does over the air,

I prefer to build it myself, mainly to get a lot more simultaneous channels.

I can record 4 at once sometimes.
but it's got clear defects. Most of it is very good, and a list
of the defectds would bore you all, and they're not going to
release a firmware update or new model, it's pretty clear.
There is only one other model on the market,

Thats just plain wrong.
Channel Master CM-7000PAL OTA HDTV , and I woudln't
be surprised if it's made by the same people with the same
flaws. Unless I go to HiDef and pay 1000 dollars,

Mine didnt cost anything like that and is HD.
and that one too might have the same flaws
I don't want, even if it has other features.

You've got a very negative outlook.
 
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