Toshiba Satellite laptop and Netgear does not see Router

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Karolus des Reyches197

At home I have a desktop system with Win XP Home - it is hard wired to my
wireless access point router (Netgear MR 314) which is wired to the cable
modem.(Comcast in MD.)
I also have a notebook( Toshiba Satellite 1905-S301) that also has Win XP
Home and a wireless card (Netgear 802.11b 16 bit PCMCI Model MA401 card)).
Everything works great on the desktop, but nothing works on the notebook via
wireless connection.

I downloaded the latest driver for XP and the Wireless connection window
says Signal strength is excellent.

What am I missing to connect?
 
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kony

At home I have a desktop system with Win XP Home - it is hard wired to my
wireless access point router (Netgear MR 314) which is wired to the cable
modem.(Comcast in MD.)
I also have a notebook( Toshiba Satellite 1905-S301) that also has Win XP
Home and a wireless card (Netgear 802.11b 16 bit PCMCI Model MA401 card)).
Everything works great on the desktop, but nothing works on the notebook via
wireless connection.

I downloaded the latest driver for XP and the Wireless connection window
says Signal strength is excellent.

What am I missing to connect?

Does TCP/IP for the adapter show up in network properties?
Check the notebook's assigned IP address, assuming you have it set to
get one from DHCP server. Double-check the other machine or router to
see what IP range is being assigned, probably 192.168.0.n

Try pinging the router and the other, desktop.
Check your internet explorer (or whatever browser) connection
settings. Try the internet connection wizard. Check the TCP/IP
properties for the wlan card and make sure it's set as the default
protocol, especially if there's another network adapter in the
notebook.

A bit more description of the network, and how you have it configured,
including IP addressing, might help.
 
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Karolus des Reyches197

Pinging works on both laptop and desktop.

Addresses are both the same as also the subnet.mask

TCP/IP does show up for the adapter in laptop.

I have cable Comcast.net
 
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Karolus des Reyches197

Pinging to the desk computer fails though!

Should both desk computer and laptop have the same IP address???
 
K

Karolus des Reyches197

I changed the last digit on the laptop to "3" now, so they are different.

But PING to the desktop still fails after this.
 
K

kony

I changed the last digit on the laptop to "3" now, so they are different.

But PING to the desktop still fails after this.

So your router has a local IP number, like 192.168.0.1, and the
notebook has manually assigned, 192.168.0.3?

If you use the desktop system to access the router's HTML interface,
does the router show the notebook as connected?

You write that the laptop can't ping the desktop, but does it ping the
router OK?

We can assume you're trying all this with the laptop very close to the
router, close enough that we can be sure the signal is as strong as
possible?
 
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Karolus des Reyches197

kony said:
So your router has a local IP number, like 192.168.0.1, and the
notebook has manually assigned, 192.168.0.3?
YES

If you use the desktop system to access the router's HTML interface,
does the router show the notebook as connected?

I do not understand this question from a technical standpoint. Can you help
me?
You write that the laptop can't ping the desktop, but does it ping the
router OK?

I should have said the Router. It can not ping the router. The laptop can
ping other things though.
We can assume you're trying all this with the laptop very close to the
router, close enough that we can be sure the signal is as strong as
possible?

YES. The signal strength is shown all full bars, excellent. Sitting on the
same desk at the present.
 
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kony

I do not understand this question from a technical standpoint. Can you help
me?

Doesn't your router have a HTML interface? How did you configure it?
Using a browser, typing in the IP address, should pull up a
configuration and information screen(s), one of which might be a list
of connected system(s).
I should have said the Router. It can not ping the router. The laptop can
ping other things though.

"Other things"?
Check the router's HTML interface, if it's set to discard pings.

If the laptop can ping something else across this wireless setup, it
would seem you have an OS configuration problem. Double-check the
networking components and settings.
 
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Karolus des Reyches197

I am still at a loss with this statement, forgive me. I am otherwise
computer literate, but a total newbie in Wireless.
What do you mean here:
Doesn't your router have a HTML interface? How did you configure it?
Using a browser, typing in the IP address, should pull up a
configuration and information screen(s), one of which might be a list
of connected system(s).

Go to this browser, like Outlook Express or the Internet Explorer?

I connected the browser many months ago and only used it being hardwired.
Cable input to cable modem, cable output from cable modem to Netgear Router
MR 314.
Output from the router to the computer. And that portion works fine.

When I understand exactly what you want me to do, I shall do it and post.

Thanks for trying to help.
 
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Karolus des Reyches197

I went to the Internet Explorer and typed in:

192.168.0.1

and it came up with a window asking for name and password.
I do not recall ever having been there before and do not know either.

There is also no Help there or a request to send both, so I am at a loss now
what to do.
 
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kony

I am still at a loss with this statement, forgive me. I am otherwise
computer literate, but a total newbie in Wireless.
What do you mean here:
Doesn't your router have a HTML interface?

How did you change any settings on the router from their defaults, or
did you never set up the router? You must have set it up, to get it
working with your internet provider?
Using a browser, typing in the IP address, should pull up a
configuration and information screen(s), one of which might be a list
of connected system(s).

Go to this browser, like Outlook Express or the Internet Explorer?

Yes, open Internet Explorer, and for the address, type in
"http://192.168.0.1" . I am assuming that is the correct address.
Consult the router manual for instructions if that doesn't work, it
will definitely detail how to access the configuration menus. It's
possible the router came with a software CD, with an application that
served to interface the router, but I'm not familiar with that
specific program, I always prefer to, and use, a softwareless
configuration. In the past this was often done by serial connection,
with telnet, but if your router doesn't have a serial port on it this
certainly can't apply.
I connected the browser many months ago and only used it being hardwired.
Cable input to cable modem, cable output from cable modem to Netgear Router
MR 314.
Output from the router to the computer. And that portion works fine.

When I understand exactly what you want me to do, I shall do it and post.

We are trying to determine why the notebook can't ping, but you didn't
answer my other question, about what it can ping.

You need:

Notebook with compatible IP/TCP settings for LAN (adjusted in OS).

Browser set to use this network connection, in Windows there's an
internet connection wizard to do this.

Router set properly for wireless use (should've been from default, but
these things need double-checked since it's not working).

When the above 3 things are correct you should be able to ping the
router (if it isn't set to discard pings) and any other system
properly set up and connected to it (which the desktop system is,
since it can use the router to access your internet provider's
network). Once you have it able to PING, the issue should be one of
configuring the notebook operating system to use this wireless adapter
for any/all purposes. If your network properties window on the
notebook shows additional adapters or protocols, it might be easier to
simply remove, delete any extraneous settings, leaving only TCP/IP,
the wireless adapter bound to it, and file, printer sharing, if you
wish to share files/printer(s).

There really isn't anything different about using this wireless
adapter, it's configuration is the same as a wired adapter, with
additional settings for security, but those should be disabled until
it's working properly, THEN set.
 
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Karolus des Reyches197

this is what I get on the Desktop when I go to CMD and type IPCONFIG:
Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Documents and Settings\Karl Menzel>ipconfig

Windows IP Configuration


Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : nrockv01.md.comcast.net
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.2
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1

C:\Documents and Settings\Karl Menzel>

Is this what you want?

When I go to IE and type in the prescribed message I get a drop-down window
asking for name and PW, which I do not have.

When I go to Network Places on the desktop I see:
Local Area Connection enabled. 3COM 3C900B-TPO Ethernet Adapter
and
1394 Connection enabled, 1394 Net Adapter

That is all. Nothing specifically about Netgear Router.

I could Ping from notebook, but I forgot what address I used. Now I have
tried different ones and they all do not ping and give errors.
 
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kony

this is what I get on the Desktop when I go to CMD and type IPCONFIG:
Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Documents and Settings\Karl Menzel>ipconfig

Windows IP Configuration


Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : nrockv01.md.comcast.net
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.2
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1

C:\Documents and Settings\Karl Menzel>

Is this what you want?

That looks fine for the desktop, which is working, correct?
The laptop should match what's above, except the IP address of the
laptop should be (since you manually set it) 192.168.0.3, but the
gateway for the laptop should still be 192.168.0.1 (the gateway is the
router).
When I go to IE and type in the prescribed message I get a drop-down window
asking for name and PW, which I do not have.

Consult your router manual, it should tell you the default username
and password. The name might be "admin", and the password (blank,
nothing set yet) "".
When I go to Network Places on the desktop I see:
Local Area Connection enabled. 3COM 3C900B-TPO Ethernet Adapter
and
1394 Connection enabled, 1394 Net Adapter

That is all. Nothing specifically about Netgear Router.

You wouldn't see the router listed, the only place you need to see any
evidence of the router on either the desktop or notebook, is that the
router's IP address (192.168.0.1) is the IP address for the gateway in
the TCP/IP properties.
I could Ping from notebook, but I forgot what address I used. Now I have
tried different ones and they all do not ping and give errors.


There are only two pings to try...
ping 192.168.0.1
ping 192.168.0.3

IF the router is configured to ignore (discard) pings, then pinging
192.168.0.1 may go unanswered. Still, since the desktop is working
with the router and has the correct IP address, it will show up when
pinged.

There are two things to remember:

wireless network adapters aren't that much different than wired
adapters, you can pretend it IS a wired adapter and treat it the same,
except you need to access the router to verify it shows up as
connected to the wireless adapter in the notebook.

Your router has a manual, you should read it and follow it step by
step. If you don't have the manual it should be avaiable for download
from Netgear's website.
 
C

Chris Holden

I could Ping from notebook, but I forgot what address I used. Now I have
tried different ones and they all do not ping and give errors.
It was the loopback address (127.0.0.1).
Chris
 
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Karolus des Reyches197

YES, that PING works from the Laptop.
4 packets sent, 4 packets received, lost = 0

It also works from the desktop with the same results.
 
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Karolus des Reyches197

I finally succeeded!!!!

I searched again my laptop and somewhere there was still Norton System Works
2002 installed. I had DISABLED it all the time, but apparently that was not
enough.

I did now a total un-install of it and now Internet (which did work before)
and now also E-mail work.

Thanks for all the advice and time of various people

Regards

Karel
kony said:
this is what I get on the Desktop when I go to CMD and type IPCONFIG:
Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Documents and Settings\Karl Menzel>ipconfig

Windows IP Configuration


Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : nrockv01.md.comcast.net
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.2
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1

C:\Documents and Settings\Karl Menzel>

Is this what you want?

That looks fine for the desktop, which is working, correct?
The laptop should match what's above, except the IP address of the
laptop should be (since you manually set it) 192.168.0.3, but the
gateway for the laptop should still be 192.168.0.1 (the gateway is the
router).
When I go to IE and type in the prescribed message I get a drop-down window
asking for name and PW, which I do not have.

Consult your router manual, it should tell you the default username
and password. The name might be "admin", and the password (blank,
nothing set yet) "".
When I go to Network Places on the desktop I see:
Local Area Connection enabled. 3COM 3C900B-TPO Ethernet Adapter
and
1394 Connection enabled, 1394 Net Adapter

That is all. Nothing specifically about Netgear Router.

You wouldn't see the router listed, the only place you need to see any
evidence of the router on either the desktop or notebook, is that the
router's IP address (192.168.0.1) is the IP address for the gateway in
the TCP/IP properties.
I could Ping from notebook, but I forgot what address I used. Now I have
tried different ones and they all do not ping and give errors.


There are only two pings to try...
ping 192.168.0.1
ping 192.168.0.3

IF the router is configured to ignore (discard) pings, then pinging
192.168.0.1 may go unanswered. Still, since the desktop is working
with the router and has the correct IP address, it will show up when
pinged.

There are two things to remember:

wireless network adapters aren't that much different than wired
adapters, you can pretend it IS a wired adapter and treat it the same,
except you need to access the router to verify it shows up as
connected to the wireless adapter in the notebook.

Your router has a manual, you should read it and follow it step by
step. If you don't have the manual it should be avaiable for download
from Netgear's website.
 
K

Karolus des Reyches197

I finally succeeded!!!!

I searched again my laptop and somewhere there was still Norton System Works
2002 installed. I had DISABLED it all the time, but apparently that was not
enough.

I did now a total un-install of it and now Internet (which did work before)
and now also E-mail work.

Thanks for all the advice and time of various people

Regards

Karel
 
K

Karolus des Reyches197

I rejoiced too soon!

You just won't believe it (or maybe you will).

But after I was able to get Mail and surf the WEB with the Laptop, I shut it
down, to go to a social meeting. A few hours later when I came back, the
laptop would NOT connect again. Also, the throughput, which was always
10Mbps, dropped to 2Mbps. Why?

But now I am really at a loss.

So would problem has overcome me now?

Regards

Karel
kony said:
this is what I get on the Desktop when I go to CMD and type IPCONFIG:
Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Documents and Settings\Karl Menzel>ipconfig

Windows IP Configuration


Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:

Connection-specific DNS Suffix . : nrockv01.md.comcast.net
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.2
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1

C:\Documents and Settings\Karl Menzel>

Is this what you want?

That looks fine for the desktop, which is working, correct?
The laptop should match what's above, except the IP address of the
laptop should be (since you manually set it) 192.168.0.3, but the
gateway for the laptop should still be 192.168.0.1 (the gateway is the
router).
When I go to IE and type in the prescribed message I get a drop-down window
asking for name and PW, which I do not have.

Consult your router manual, it should tell you the default username
and password. The name might be "admin", and the password (blank,
nothing set yet) "".
When I go to Network Places on the desktop I see:
Local Area Connection enabled. 3COM 3C900B-TPO Ethernet Adapter
and
1394 Connection enabled, 1394 Net Adapter

That is all. Nothing specifically about Netgear Router.

You wouldn't see the router listed, the only place you need to see any
evidence of the router on either the desktop or notebook, is that the
router's IP address (192.168.0.1) is the IP address for the gateway in
the TCP/IP properties.
I could Ping from notebook, but I forgot what address I used. Now I have
tried different ones and they all do not ping and give errors.


There are only two pings to try...
ping 192.168.0.1
ping 192.168.0.3

IF the router is configured to ignore (discard) pings, then pinging
192.168.0.1 may go unanswered. Still, since the desktop is working
with the router and has the correct IP address, it will show up when
pinged.

There are two things to remember:

wireless network adapters aren't that much different than wired
adapters, you can pretend it IS a wired adapter and treat it the same,
except you need to access the router to verify it shows up as
connected to the wireless adapter in the notebook.

Your router has a manual, you should read it and follow it step by
step. If you don't have the manual it should be avaiable for download
from Netgear's website.
 
K

kony

I rejoiced too soon!

You just won't believe it (or maybe you will).

But after I was able to get Mail and surf the WEB with the Laptop, I shut it
down, to go to a social meeting. A few hours later when I came back, the
laptop would NOT connect again. Also, the throughput, which was always
10Mbps, dropped to 2Mbps. Why?

But now I am really at a loss.

So would problem has overcome me now?

I don't know... sounds like a bad wireless connection, try moving
closer to base (router) and/or changing channels, adjusting antennae

Generally, it's easier to let the router function as a DHCP server,
set the laptop to automatically be assigned it's connection info (in
network properties TCP/IP setup), which not only gets it working for
your lan (providing the router's DHCP function is still enabled, as it
should've been by default) but that also allows the laptop to boot to,
be used with (most) any wireless network (of same spec., 802.11b/g)
elsewhere too.
 
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Karolus des Reyches197

I have the desktop and laptop while trying remedies 1 foot from each other
and from the router.

When I do nslookup from CMD on Laptop I get:

Deault server unknown
Address 127.0.0.1

I have tried to set it on the laptop manually to 192.168.0.2 and it gets me
in ipconfig big 0's for IP address and subnet
 

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