Time to uograde my old mouse? Optical? Cordless?

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Rob Morley

Sun used to supply metal mouse mats for optical mice - then they went on
to ball based mice. The mats they supplied were like mirrors with a grid
printed on them. And at the time they were very good. Remember, you're
talking over a decade ago now.
Should've said "came", not "come" :) Those mats could be
uncomfortably cold first thing in the morning.
 
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Tony Houghton

In <[email protected]>,
ThePunisher said:

This one's much better value if you don't care about the extra buttons:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos...426/sr=1-15/ref=sr_1_3_15/202-3641056-2097410

Don't get the sort with the gimmicky tilting wheel. It stops it working
properly as a middle button unless you click at just the right angle.
Frustrating in Linux, and hopeless in the heat of a game. The lack of
click feedback when turning the wheel makes it more awkward for
switching weapons too.

The advantage of the MS ones with AA batteries is that for some reason
they work just as well with only one battery even though they're
supposed to take 2 (and it still lasts for months). The reduced weight
makes it a bit easier to use.
 
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JAD

Alan Gauton said:
Sun used to supply metal mouse mats for optical mice

Yeah, true earlier versions of optical mice were less sophisticated and
needed the grid for calibration.




- then they went on
to ball based mice.

then to laser in 1998 or so


The mats they supplied were like mirrors with a grid
 
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Rob Morley

aaaargh! the trackball resurfaces!!! :)
They're brilliant - have you ever tried one for more than a few minutes?
I've been using Logitech trackballs for years and a mouse seems really
clumsy and unergonomic to me now.
 
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John Doe

You didn't say anything about your own particular circumstance.

Yes, optical and cordless is good. Nowadays, NiMH (nickel metal
hydride) rechargeable batteries are the way to go. You can get the
batteries and charger at your local megastore. I recommend Duracell,
the last Energizer charger I bought was defective confirmed by someone
else's experience with the same charger.

Good luck.







Jon D said:
I am using an old style mouse with cable and rollerball.
....
 
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John Doe

Synapse Syndrome said:
2. I was sceptical about wireless mice until I got one. The
batteries last upto a couple of months on mine, with pretty
intense use...
I knwo that the 'Laser' MS mice are more precise than the
'Optical' ones, but I don't know how battery life compares.

My Logitech MX1000 laser mouse requires charging every few days. For
most people, it probably lasts a week or two.
 
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Simon Cooper

Jon D said:
I am using an old style mouse with cable and rollerball.

I would like to upgrade it because it the rollerball gets clogged up
with dirt. And the mousewheel too picks up dust which then gets into
the internal workings and makes the scrolling action jerky.

However, in the past I have heard various complaints about more
modern mice which have put me off. I have heard that some fancier
mice are ...

lacking in precision for cursor placement
slow to start responding
do not properly follow a long fast movement
etc

QUESTION 1: If I get an OPTICAL mouse then what sorts of performance
drawbacks or advantages might it have compared to my own mouse?

QUESTION 2: What about the performance a mouse that is both CORDLESS
and OPTICAL? Does the radio link restrict the bandwidth of data
transfer from mouse to PC and therefore restrict the performance?
What sort of life do the batteries have?

I have 2 Logitech decktop sets, and I've bought several more for other
people, so I guess I'm gonna claim 5+ sets of experience...

Battery life is good in the regular 3 button wheel mice, maybe 3+ months
sometimes, in heavy daily use. The MX700 has a cradle that I sometimes
forget to put it in to recharge, and once in a while it'll be flashing red,
saying it wants feeding before I get to use it. I have front USBs on that
machine and just grab a spare USB corded mouse if so. If you're dilligent
at remembering to charge it at least weekly, it won't be an issue.
I like the extra "back and forward" buttons on this mouse though, although
Opera's mouse gestures reduce the need for it.

I've never found an Intellimouse I liked anywhere near as much as the
Logitechs. And I have a source for refurbished Logitech stuff that prices
everything else well out of the picture.

Precision of the most basic optical mouse on a good surface is going to be
far beyond what you can tell, unless you run your mouse speed at the lowest
setting with a 1600x1200+ display. Response - yes, I can see some of that
in the MX700, which I may have to move twice to wake up the screen saver.
I'm used to it and don't mind. Long fast motion is no worse than with a ball
in a real environment.
 
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John Doe

nut said:
The Logitech MX1000 laser mouse is very precise. It's cordless but
has a mains powered docking unit for recharging. It's quite
expensive, but those who've got one all say it's the best mouse
they've used... a friend just got one from PCWorld for 35ukp, but
you may find cheaper online.

You and the two follow-up authors recommending the thing don't
actually have one? That's amusing.

I actually have one. It's okay. It's better than the cordless ball
mouse I upgraded from. It's nothing special IMO.
 
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John Doe

Gully Foyle said:
As long as you are not (like me) left handed...

For some righthanders, it might not be as easy to use either. For
some of us, moving the mouse with our hand/arm and clicking is
easier than moving a ball with our thumb and clicking. Drawing a
dotted/dashed line is a good test of that.
 
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Trev

John Doe said:
You and the two follow-up authors recommending the thing don't
actually have one? That's amusing.

I actually have one. It's okay. It's better than the cordless ball
mouse I upgraded from. It's nothing special IMO.
But it will work on glossy paper or even laminated paper unlike the LEDs
 
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Jim Strathmeyer

In alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt Rob Morley said:
They're brilliant - have you ever tried one for more than a few
minutes? I've been using Logitech trackballs for years and a mouse
seems really clumsy and unergonomic to me now.

What kind of tasks do you use them for? I wonder if they translate well
to gaming and the hardcore web surfing. I'm definitely into learning new
things, so will probably give one a try sometime.
 
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John Doe

Trev said:
But it will work on glossy paper or even laminated paper unlike the LEDs

Do you have one?

It's probably basically an emitter-detector pair just like in a regular
optical mouse, but it's better focused or whatever.
 
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Trev

John Doe said:
Do you have one?

It's probably basically an emitter-detector pair just like in a regular
optical mouse, but it's better focused or whatever.

I do it was a replacement for a MX 500 Its Laser and More precise not that
the Mx 500 was wanting.

One of the latest breed
 
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Robbie McFerren

John said:
For some righthanders, it might not be as easy to use either. For
some of us, moving the mouse with our hand/arm and clicking is
easier than moving a ball with our thumb and clicking. Drawing a
dotted/dashed line is a good test of that.

As the subject suggest this is off topic, but I want to show that
sometimes a true mouse (or trackball for trackball fans) is the best.
There is this Puzzle or Maze game in Knoppix (starts with an E) and it
works best with a Trackpad. I would never play any other game on a
trackpad (one that matters anyway).
 
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Jaimie Vandenbergh

None, mine has proved better in every respect. MS make good optical
mice, but there are any others.

Agreed. No drawbacks at all from going optical.

I've enjoyed this Logitech MX700 for probably three years, and I've
got an MX1000 on the Apple upstairs. I'd have preferred another MX700,
to be honest - I prefer the buttons.
I bought a wireless mouse and keyboard and returned it 48 hours later.
It suffered intermittent connections and was a complete pain. They may
well be better now (this was a couple of years ago) but I'd need some
convincing still.

The MX700 and MX1000 are wireless, with no intermittency at all. They
use RF, and each has a charging+radio base station to pop it in every
night or two. The older has a pair of AA NiMHs that last several days,
the newer has some builtin battery that lasts at least three days.

I'm also using a bluetooth Apple keyboard, and that has absolutely no
trouble at all, rock solid connection. No idea how long the batteries
last, I've only had it a couple of weeks.

Now, does anyone know where I can get a bluetooth keyboard with
trackpad/nipple/rollerball built in? Lots of RF ones around, but I
can't seem to find any bluetooth ones. For media centre purposes.

Cheers - Jaimie
 
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Jaimie Vandenbergh

For
some of us, moving the mouse with our hand/arm and clicking is
easier than moving a ball with our thumb and clicking.

Hmm. Just checked my own mousing technique, and I cover the full
diagonal of this 20" widescreen (1680x1050) in about 2" of
(unaccelerated) mouse movement. That's a smaller space than a
trackpad.

Anyway, I mouse almost entirely with finger movements, very rarely arm
movements involved. No carpal tunnel syndrome yet, 18 years on!

Oh - the other nice thing about a wireless optical mouse is that on
cold days you can mouse on your trouser leg under a blanket, to keep
your hands warm. Great for usenet, if your reader supports
roll-to-scroll and click for next post.

Cheers - Jaimie
 
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Seb

Synapse Syndrome said:
I don't have large hands, but I like large mice, like the original
Intellimouse Exploror. That is a tiny travel mouse, and I'm sure it would
give me cramp.

I find its the other way round, the larger mice are horrible to use
 
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