Time Synch with net time--Cannot Access

[W. Watson]

I have two computers on my local network: astropc-W2000 and solarblast-XP pro with
SP2. They can ping each other. I can execute from the cmd line on solarblast: net
time \\astropc. It returns the time. If from astropc I try net time solarblast, I get
"cannot access". solarblast has SP2 and the security features are off. If I go to
astropc, and try to access solarblast via Network Places, it wants to know a user
account ID and password. I enter: Administrator and wxyz, where wxyz is the password.
I sigon to the machine when I boot up. It rejects the ID/password. What's going on?
--
Wayne T. Watson (Watson Adventures, Prop., Nevada City, CA)
(121.015 Deg. W, 39.262 Deg. N) GMT-8 hr std. time)
Obz Site: 39° 15' 7" N, 121° 2' 32" W, 2700 feet

Web Page: <home.earthlink.net/~mtnviews>

 

[W. Watson]

(I've resubmitted this with perhaps a more fitting title than "Time Synch with net
time--Cannot Access".)
W. Watson wrote:
I have two computers on my local network: astropc-W2000 and
solarblast-XP pro with SP2. They can ping each other. I can execute from
the cmd line on solarblast: net time \\astropc. It returns the time. If
from astropc I try net time solarblast, I get "cannot access".
solarblast has SP2 and the security features are off. If I go to
astropc, and try to access solarblast via Network Places, it wants to
know a user account ID and password. I enter: Administrator and wxyz,
where wxyz is the password. I sigon to the machine when I boot up. It
rejects the ID/password. What's going on?


--
Wayne T. Watson (Watson Adventures, Prop., Nevada City, CA)
(121.015 Deg. W, 39.262 Deg. N) GMT-8 hr std. time)
Obz Site: 39° 15' 7" N, 121° 2' 32" W, 2700 feet

Web Page: <home.earthlink.net/~mtnviews>

 

[Chuck]

(I've resubmitted this with perhaps a more fitting title than "Time Synch with net
time--Cannot Access".)
W. Watson wrote:
I have two computers on my local network: astropc-W2000 and
solarblast-XP pro with SP2. They can ping each other. I can execute from
the cmd line on solarblast: net time \\astropc. It returns the time. If
from astropc I try net time solarblast, I get "cannot access".
solarblast has SP2 and the security features are off. If I go to
astropc, and try to access solarblast via Network Places, it wants to
know a user account ID and password. I enter: Administrator and wxyz,
where wxyz is the password. I sigon to the machine when I boot up. It
rejects the ID/password. What's going on?

W.,

Please clarify "I sigon to the machine when I boot up. It rejects the
ID/password.". What machine are you signing on to? What error message do you
get (please be precise)?

Read about file sharing, between all different versions of Windows:
<http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...db-aef8-4bef-925e-7ac9be791028&DisplayLang=en>

On solarblast, check to see if Simple File Sharing (Control Panel - Folder
Options - View - Advanced settings) is enabled or disabled. With XP Pro, you
need to have SFS properly set on each computer. If you want to run "net time
\\solarblast", you have to have administrative authority from astropc, which
means disabling Simple File Sharing on solarblast.

On solarblast with SFS disabled, check the Local Security Policies (Control
Panel - Administrative Tools). Under Local Policies - Security Options, look at
"Network access: Sharing and security model", and ensure it's set to "Classic -
local users authenticate as themselves".

On solarblast with SFS disabled, setup and use a common non-Guest account on
both computers, with an identical, non-blank password.

On XP Pro, if you're going to use Guest authentication, check your Local
Security Policy (Control Panel - Administrative Tools) - User Rights Assignment,
on the XP Pro computer, and look at "Deny access to this computer from the
network". Make sure Guest is not in the list. Look at "Access this computer
from the network", and make sure that Everyone is in this list.

Do any of the computers have a software firewall (ICF / WF, or third party)? If
so, you need to configure them for file sharing. Firewall configurations are a
very common cause of (network) browser, and file sharing, problems.

 

[W. Watson]

W.,

Please clarify "I sigon to the machine when I boot up. It rejects the
ID/password.". What machine are you signing on to? What error message do you
get (please be precise)?

Read about file sharing, between all different versions of Windows:
<http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...db-aef8-4bef-925e-7ac9be791028&DisplayLang=en>

On solarblast, check to see if Simple File Sharing (Control Panel - Folder
Options - View - Advanced settings) is enabled or disabled. With XP Pro, you
need to have SFS properly set on each computer. If you want to run "net time
\\solarblast", you have to have administrative authority from astropc, which
means disabling Simple File Sharing on solarblast.

On solarblast with SFS disabled, check the Local Security Policies (Control
Panel - Administrative Tools). Under Local Policies - Security Options, look at
"Network access: Sharing and security model", and ensure it's set to "Classic -
local users authenticate as themselves".

On solarblast with SFS disabled, setup and use a common non-Guest account on
both computers, with an identical, non-blank password.

On XP Pro, if you're going to use Guest authentication, check your Local
Security Policy (Control Panel - Administrative Tools) - User Rights Assignment,
on the XP Pro computer, and look at "Deny access to this computer from the
network". Make sure Guest is not in the list. Look at "Access this computer
from the network", and make sure that Everyone is in this list.

Do any of the computers have a software firewall (ICF / WF, or third party)? If
so, you need to configure them for file sharing. Firewall configurations are a
very common cause of (network) browser, and file sharing, problems.

Thanks for your response.

Yes, that is a bit ambiguous isn't it. What I meant to say is that I'm using the same
ID/pwd to sign onto solarblast during boot as when I try to go through Network Places
on astropc to get to the C-drive on solarblast. In other words, I think I'm
consistent in the ID and pwd in both places. There is no error message when I try to
login from astropc to solarblast. I just get rejected. If I execute net time
\\solarblast from astropc, I get "access is denied."

I only use the Administrator on both machines. I have three machines on my local
network, and I'm the only user. The passwords are identical. No other firewalls,
although at some point I may put McAfee back on.

I disabled SFS and net time and access to solarblast from astropc both work. I made
no changes to add any accounts. Administrator is my basic account, although I see
somewhere there's a Guest account (not used), and a personal account (not used). I'm
happy using just Administrator everywhere. However, I'm open to suggestions.

It looks as though the SP2 install changed things a bit. I used to be able to access
solarblast's hard drive directly from astropc and vice versa without getting a login.

--
Wayne T. Watson (Watson Adventures, Prop., Nevada City, CA)
(121.015 Deg. W, 39.262 Deg. N) GMT-8 hr std. time)
Obz Site: 39° 15' 7" N, 121° 2' 32" W, 2700 feet

Web Page: <home.earthlink.net/~mtnviews>

 

[Chuck]

Thanks for your response.

Yes, that is a bit ambiguous isn't it. What I meant to say is that I'm using the same
ID/pwd to sign onto solarblast during boot as when I try to go through Network Places
on astropc to get to the C-drive on solarblast. In other words, I think I'm
consistent in the ID and pwd in both places. There is no error message when I try to
login from astropc to solarblast. I just get rejected. If I execute net time
\\solarblast from astropc, I get "access is denied."

I only use the Administrator on both machines. I have three machines on my local
network, and I'm the only user. The passwords are identical. No other firewalls,
although at some point I may put McAfee back on.

I disabled SFS and net time and access to solarblast from astropc both work. I made
no changes to add any accounts. Administrator is my basic account, although I see
somewhere there's a Guest account (not used), and a personal account (not used). I'm
happy using just Administrator everywhere. However, I'm open to suggestions.

It looks as though the SP2 install changed things a bit. I used to be able to access
solarblast's hard drive directly from astropc and vice versa without getting a login.

Try a Power User, see if that works as well as Administrator. The Local
Security Policy "Change the system time" is set to "Administrators, Power
Users". I don't know for sure that the "net time" command follows that LSP, but
that's the only mention of time that I have found so far. I doubt that Guest
will work in this case.

Anyway, I'd bet that Guest authenticated access (Simple File Sharing enabled)
was your problem. If you care to do a bit more research, and let us know what
does and doesn't work, we may all learn something.

 

[W. Watson]

Chuck wrote:

....

Try a Power User, see if that works as well as Administrator. The Local
Security Policy "Change the system time" is set to "Administrators, Power
Users". I don't know for sure that the "net time" command follows that LSP, but
that's the only mention of time that I have found so far. I doubt that Guest
will work in this case.

C,
Not sure what a Power User is but I'll take a look.

Anyway, I'd bet that Guest authenticated access (Simple File Sharing enabled)
was your problem. If you care to do a bit more research, and let us know what
does and doesn't work, we may all learn something.

Well, thanks for the help. I'll see what I can do. My real goal is just to get a time
synch to a Linux box from XP. At least the XP and W2K machine are communicating
better. There are still a few hurdles before I get Samba and XP to work together. I
may have to create a Guest account for this goal. More fuss and fidget to do.
W

--
Wayne T. Watson (Watson Adventures, Prop., Nevada City, CA)
(121.015 Deg. W, 39.262 Deg. N) GMT-8 hr std. time)
Obz Site: 39° 15' 7" N, 121° 2' 32" W, 2700 feet

Web Page: <home.earthlink.net/~mtnviews>