Thunderbird not cutting it though Firefox is great! Email client recommendation?

[fitwell]

Well, sorry to say that since I use Outlook to the degree that I do, I
now believe it's going to be tough to find a replacement for it. But
I'm still going to try.

I've been using Thunderbird for a week now and even with extensions,
it just hasn't been coming close to being anywhere near as powerful or
good. The filters don't have the same kind of flexibility, for
example, as Outlook's and, on top of that, they misfire. Now granted
I'm new to Thunderbird but I've been filtering messages for a heck of
a long time so know when something should work or not and how to
fine-tune. But I have to face the fact that it just looks like I'm
not going to get the same type of use out of Thunderbird, in other
areas, too besides filters.

Can anyone happen to recommend a really robust substitute yet that
will do a reliable job? I know it's a tough bill to fill, and I might
be asking for the moon but hoping that someone knows of something.

Firefox is great. I get almost everything in it that IE gives me
though I'm still missing a thing or two. But unlike Thunderbird, my
MS substitute for a browser gives me things that I didn't get in IE so
that that balances everything out very well and I am very happy so far
with Firefox. Hoping to get something good for an email client.

Thanks everyone.

 

[Chakolate]

Well, sorry to say that since I use Outlook to the degree that I do, I
now believe it's going to be tough to find a replacement for it. But
I'm still going to try.

I've been using Thunderbird for a week now and even with extensions,
it just hasn't been coming close to being anywhere near as powerful or
good. The filters don't have the same kind of flexibility, for
example, as Outlook's and, on top of that, they misfire. Now granted
I'm new to Thunderbird but I've been filtering messages for a heck of
a long time so know when something should work or not and how to
fine-tune. But I have to face the fact that it just looks like I'm
not going to get the same type of use out of Thunderbird, in other
areas, too besides filters.

Can anyone happen to recommend a really robust substitute yet that
will do a reliable job? I know it's a tough bill to fill, and I might
be asking for the moon but hoping that someone knows of something.

Firefox is great. I get almost everything in it that IE gives me
though I'm still missing a thing or two. But unlike Thunderbird, my
MS substitute for a browser gives me things that I didn't get in IE so
that that balances everything out very well and I am very happy so far
with Firefox. Hoping to get something good for an email client.

Thanks everyone.

I like Calypso, but I've never used OE so I can't tell you if the features
are the same.

Chakolate

Chakolate

 

[Bebop & Rocksteady]

Well, sorry to say that since I use Outlook to the degree that I do, I
now believe it's going to be tough to find a replacement for it. But
I'm still going to try.

I've been using Thunderbird for a week now and even with extensions,
it just hasn't been coming close to being anywhere near as powerful or
good. The filters don't have the same kind of flexibility, for
example, as Outlook's and, on top of that, they misfire. Now granted
I'm new to Thunderbird but I've been filtering messages for a heck of
a long time so know when something should work or not and how to
fine-tune. But I have to face the fact that it just looks like I'm
not going to get the same type of use out of Thunderbird, in other
areas, too besides filters.

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[INspire]

Well, sorry to say that since I use Outlook

Outlook or Outlook Express? I could recommend a PIM.

 

[Riggs]

Well, sorry to say that since I use Outlook to the degree that I do, I
now believe it's going to be tough to find a replacement for it. But
I'm still going to try.

I've been using Thunderbird for a week now and even with extensions,
it just hasn't been coming close to being anywhere near as powerful or
good. The filters don't have the same kind of flexibility, for
example, as Outlook's and, on top of that, they misfire. Now granted
I'm new to Thunderbird but I've been filtering messages for a heck of
a long time so know when something should work or not and how to
fine-tune. But I have to face the fact that it just looks like I'm
not going to get the same type of use out of Thunderbird, in other
areas, too besides filters.

Can anyone happen to recommend a really robust substitute yet that
will do a reliable job? I know it's a tough bill to fill, and I might
be asking for the moon but hoping that someone knows of something.

Firefox is great. I get almost everything in it that IE gives me
though I'm still missing a thing or two. But unlike Thunderbird, my
MS substitute for a browser gives me things that I didn't get in IE so
that that balances everything out very well and I am very happy so far
with Firefox. Hoping to get something good for an email client.

Thanks everyone.

I like Calypso. From the author's website:

# Support for multiple email accounts
# Configurable, intuitive interface
# Support for POP and IMAP mailboxes
# Automatic mailbox backup
# Mailing list support
# Superb mail filtering capabilities.
# Blind Send capabilities
# Address auto-completion when composing mail
# Ability to turn HTML mail viewing on or off
# New toggle button to view HTML email as HTML even while in text mode
# Multi-language spelling support
# Auto-response capability
# Mail templates
# Mail archiving
# Optional password protection for mailboxes

http://www.rosecitysoftware.com/calypso/

 

[John H.]

Well, sorry to say that since I use Outlook to the degree that I do, I
now believe it's going to be tough to find a replacement for it. But
I'm still going to try.

I've been using Thunderbird for a week now and even with extensions,
it just hasn't been coming close to being anywhere near as powerful or
good. The filters don't have the same kind of flexibility, for
example, as Outlook's and, on top of that, they misfire. Now granted
I'm new to Thunderbird but I've been filtering messages for a heck of
a long time so know when something should work or not and how to
fine-tune. But I have to face the fact that it just looks like I'm
not going to get the same type of use out of Thunderbird, in other
areas, too besides filters.

Like what other areas? I gave up Outlook a while ago and have been
using Thunderbird since with no regrets. I haven't had a filter misfire
either. Can you expand on your problems with it? Not wanting to jump
on you, just, maybe you know something I don't .

John H. E-mail: (e-mail address removed)
Website: John's Best of FreeWare: WWW:Jhoodsoft.org

 

[Michael Forsythe]

Well, sorry to say that since I use Outlook to the degree that I do, I
now believe it's going to be tough to find a replacement for it. But
I'm still going to try.

I've been using Thunderbird for a week now and even with extensions,
it just hasn't been coming close to being anywhere near as powerful or
good. The filters don't have the same kind of flexibility, for
example, as Outlook's and, on top of that, they misfire. Now granted
I'm new to Thunderbird but I've been filtering messages for a heck of
a long time so know when something should work or not and how to
fine-tune. But I have to face the fact that it just looks like I'm
not going to get the same type of use out of Thunderbird, in other
areas, too besides filters.

Can anyone happen to recommend a really robust substitute yet that
will do a reliable job? I know it's a tough bill to fill, and I might
be asking for the moon but hoping that someone knows of something.

Firefox is great. I get almost everything in it that IE gives me
though I'm still missing a thing or two. But unlike Thunderbird, my
MS substitute for a browser gives me things that I didn't get in IE so
that that balances everything out very well and I am very happy so far
with Firefox. Hoping to get something good for an email client.

Thanks everyone.

Please don't give up on Mozilla until you try the Mozilla 1.7 suite with
calendar extension. In my experience, both the browswer and the email
client it contains are more sophisticated and configurable than Firefox
and Thunderbird. A period of study will be needed to get the most out of
it though. In my opinion, none of the available freeware email clients
rises to this level. Pegasus is too buggy and Calypso is obsolete.

 

[Paul Blarmy]

On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 00:37:30 GMT, Riggs wrote...

I like Calypso. From the author's website:

Seconded. In fact I liked it so much that I even paid for the next
version, Courier.

Below list left in place as Calypso is so good it's features deserve
repeating

 

[fitwell]

Please don't give up on Mozilla until you try the Mozilla 1.7 suite with
calendar extension. In my experience, both the browswer and the email
client it contains are more sophisticated and configurable than Firefox
and Thunderbird. A period of study will be needed to get the most out of
it though. In my opinion, none of the available freeware email clients
rises to this level. Pegasus is too buggy and Calypso is obsolete.

I really like Firefox, though. Hmmm, I tried Pegasus way back when
but must admit that it was before I used Outlook 2000 like I do.

Perhaps solution might be to switch roles, but that would mean using
Outlook full time again, which I was hoping to avoid. I don't know.
I guess I'll have to make a decision one way or another.

I have so much mail coming in from my Yahoo groups that Outlook was
dealing with admirably. The trouble with Outlook is that although
it's very powerful, it's not got a few things that would be useful
with all the graphics and html tutorials coming in. A few minor
limitations are drawbacks with Outlook 2000 with the number of
messages I get a day (no vb coding to compact easily without a bunch
of mouse clicks and AutoIt workaround cumbersome - p.s., I got this
straight from several different horse's mouths from an Outlook ng).
Also, Outlook doesn't save embedded graphics properly without a vb
script workaround. It saves natively to bmp only which kills animated
GIFs. And I have to set Word as editor if I want to save the html
tutorial messages that come through. Doesn't sound like much but
since I get extremely heavy traffic re Paint Shop Pro with attendant
graphics, this has become a serious problem.

Yet Outlook is so powerful in other ways.

Well, I'll keep digging.

Thanks.

 

[fitwell]

Outlook or Outlook Express? I could recommend a PIM.

Sorry, Outlook 2000. But it's an email client I need with all the
bells and whistles that Outlook has, if that is indeed possible <g>.

 

[Chakolate]

Calypso is obsolete.

Educate me, please. In what way is Calypso obsolete?

Chakolate

 

[INspire]

Sorry, Outlook 2000. But it's an email client I need with all the
bells and whistles that Outlook has, if that is indeed possible <g>.

I installed Palm Desktop (after someone in acf recommended) and it had
similar features to Outlook... actually looked pretty nice, with the
same feature set as Outlook but not as complicated. But no email
client. While Palm Desktop is a 15Mb download and is pretty bloated,
the bloatedness is but a small fraction that of Outlook (about a fifth
the registry entries by comparison on my win98 system). You can
download for any Palm device cause it doesn't matter if you don't have a
Palm (it will work fine without it). I use a shareware product and it
does what I need: glancing at Palm Desktop was just for fun (a common
hobby around here).

I am used to having a separate PIM and email client. I used Outlook for
a few months in the past, but don't see why PIM and client have to be
tied except for the address book. I believe Palm Desktop would launch
your email client when you click an email address. My mail client has
address auto-complete (Phoenix Mail Roundabout), so I barely ever touch
my address book for email addresses anyway. Type Joe B and get:
Joe Blow <[email protected]>
Any new address you type goes into the list used by auto-complete. The
list keeps the last 50 addresses, with the most recently used ones at
the top of the list and those addresses not used fall off the trailing
end. Standard stuff.

Hope you find what you're looking for.

 

[Michael Forsythe]

berlin.de:




Educate me, please. In what way is Calypso obsolete?

Chakolate

For one thing, it doesn't support SMTP authentication.

 

[Iain Cheyne]

For one thing, it doesn't support SMTP authentication.

Good job you said that, as this is a must-feature for me.

 

[rir3760]

It was a dark and stormy night when Michael Forsythe

For one thing, it doesn't support SMTP authentication.

I don't use SMTP authentication, still if I right-click on a user
account and then select 'properties', 'Mail Server' it shows a group
of options for:

Outgoing Mail Server - Authentication method:

[None]
[Use POP account]
[User supplied] (here you set the username and password)
[SPA]

But as I have said I don't use those options, do you mean they don't
meet your requeriments or they just don't work?

Regards

 

[Aaron]

Firefox is great. I get almost everything in it that IE gives me
though I'm still missing a thing or two. But unlike Thunderbird, my
MS substitute for a browser gives me things that I didn't get in IE so
that that balances everything out very well and I am very happy so far
with Firefox. Hoping to get something good for an email client.

Thanks everyone.

For what's its worth, I agree. I'm keeping my eye out for Thunderbird,
but the last I checked it was still somewhat feature light and unlike
Firefox, the range of extensions available to extend it's capabilities
are still very small.

Seems to me that unlike Firefox, development of Thunderbird is going
slower (less high profile?), probably because there are already several
good email client alternatives (payware and free) compared to browsers.




Aaron (my email is not munged!)

 

[fitwell]

For what's its worth, I agree. I'm keeping my eye out for Thunderbird,
but the last I checked it was still somewhat feature light and unlike
Firefox, the range of extensions available to extend it's capabilities
are still very small.

Seems to me that unlike Firefox, development of Thunderbird is going
slower (less high profile?), probably because there are already several
good email client alternatives (payware and free) compared to browsers.

That's what I've found, as well. Thunderbird is very lightweight. I
went back to Outlook 2000. Despite the limitations I've run across
since I belong to so many yahoo groups, it still is much better than
any alternative I've tried.

Firefox is great, though. It's awesome. I can do _almost_ everything
with it that I did with IE.

 

[wald]

That's what I've found, as well. Thunderbird is very
lightweight. I went back to Outlook 2000. Despite the
limitations I've run across since I belong to so many yahoo
groups, it still is much better than any alternative I've tried.

I'm curious: could you name some features that are currently missing
from ThunderBird?

Thanks,
Wald

 

[john p.]

I'm curious: could you name some features that are currently missing
from ThunderBird?

Thanks,
Wald

I'll throw in my 2 cents worth, since I feel the same, that is, I love
Firefox but I find Thunderbird lacking. For my purposes the feature
missing from Thunderbird which by itself is enough to keep me from
switching to it as my primary email client is the inability to delete
individual messages from the POP server. Eudora has this capability,
and I use it every time I download mail. Although Eudora does not let
you work directly with the server, it has an option to mark messages
which you want it to delete from the server on the next mail check,
which is perfectly adequate for me. Thunderbird has a setting in the
filter dialog to delete from the server, but I can not find a way to
apply it to specific messages that have already been downloaded.
Tbird's filtering is very rudimentary (no regexp, for instance), but I
assume it will get more sophisticated as the program matures.

 

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john p. wrote in

Tbird's filtering is very rudimentary (no regexp, for instance),

This is the main reason I won't use Thunderbird. IMO Bayesian
filtering should be left to plugins/extensions, whereas regular
expressions are a basic necessity in a mail client (or at least for me
to consider it more than a 'light' client, I guess).

but I assume it will get more sophisticated as the program
matures.

I hope so. I don't follow Thunderbird development closely, but I
reckong they have concentrated on Bayesian filtering because it is an
attractive feature to lure users away from that, ahem, other client.

While I am in a Thunderbird thread, might as well voice one more
complaint. I'm glad they've embraced format=flowed, but the bugs in
their implementation drive me nuts when reading news or e-mail composed
with Tb. FWLIW, here's one of the more annoying ones.
<http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=165077#c11>