the techs need a break

[kurttrail]

Yep, never suggested that anyone had control over it other than the
ISP. I just stated that I've seen Usenet adverts get peoples accounts
yanked from first-hand reports by people that have had it done.

"Ah, come on Kurt, I know you can stand up for what you believe in, it's
being posted by Prodigy.net account access, all large ISP's restrict
posting of advertisements to non biz groups."

You were suggesting that I wasn't standing up for what I believe when I
wrote, "This is an outright commercial advertisement. I would consider
it spam, but that is just my opinion, and what pcButtheads ISP would
consider it is anyone's guess."

And this quoted statement is expressing exactly what I believe, and what
I know as of right now.

It's fairly easy to determine what an ISP will do - if you read their
TOS it is often very clear as to their position.

LOL! You are delusional as usual. Most TOS's are guidelines and leave
the ISP lots of wiggle room. Guessing what an ISP will do in any
specific instance is just that GUESSING.

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[Leythos]

LOL! You are delusional as usual. Most TOS's are guidelines and leave
the ISP lots of wiggle room. Guessing what an ISP will do in any
specific instance is just that GUESSING.

I think we've already established that an ISP will do what they want,
but, their TOS does indicate if the care about spamming Usenet or not,
which is the point. If they don't have a policy about spamming Usenet
specifically, or spamming emails, then it's no point in saying anything
to them about it.

 

[Alias]

Just curious, how come you're not jumping all over Malke for her signature?
She doesn't do computer repair for free. If it's in the sig, I would think
that commercial links are fine. If, OTOH, PCButts were to head a subject
field with an advert and the whole post was an advert, you all would have a
point.

I know my ISP wouldn't even read your email because they can't read English.

Alias

As I said earlier, I think it is spam, but I don't know what his ISPs
will think of it until they get a complaint, and act on it. I'm not
psychic.

It's fairly easy to determine what an ISP will do - if you read their
TOS it is often very clear as to their position.

LOL! You are delusional as usual. Most TOS's are guidelines and leave
the ISP lots of wiggle room. Guessing what an ISP will do in any
specific instance is just that GUESSING.[/QUOTE]

I think we've already established that an ISP will do what they want,
but, their TOS does indicate if the care about spamming Usenet or not,
which is the point. If they don't have a policy about spamming Usenet
specifically, or spamming emails, then it's no point in saying anything
to them about it.
[/QUOTE]

 

[Leythos]

Just curious, how come you're not jumping all over Malke for her signature?
She doesn't do computer repair for free. If it's in the sig, I would think
that commercial links are fine. If, OTOH, PCButts were to head a subject
field with an advert and the whole post was an advert, you all would have a
point.

Maybe because pcbutthead bothers me more than Malke does?

I know my ISP wouldn't even read your email because they can't read English.

I wasn't sending one, but I could put a complaint in spanish without any
problem

 

[Alias]

Maybe because pcbutthead bothers me more than Malke does?

Not a good reason.

I wasn't sending one, but I could put a complaint in spanish without any
problem

They still wouldn't read it. If you saw what was being posted on my ISP's
private Usenet, you would be shocked and have a heart attack.

Alias

 

[R. McCarty]

It's probably a matter of degrees. Most folks with businesses will only
add a company name or URL for the company website. I think the
issue with Mr. Butt's sig is it's run-on nature and the use of traditional
sales phrasing like "Best" and "Come See" which makes it into more
of a SPAM style marketing message. To say the least it doesn't convey
a very professional impression.

 

[kurttrail]

I think we've already established that an ISP will do what they want,
but, their TOS does indicate if the care about spamming Usenet or not,
which is the point. If they don't have a policy about spamming Usenet
specifically, or spamming emails, then it's no point in saying
anything to them about it.

ROFL! You are like a dog with a steak. You just can't let it go.

And yet it is still a guess if what an ISP will do in any specific
instance, despite what their TOS indicates. Deal with it.

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[kurttrail]

It's probably a matter of degrees. Most folks with businesses will
only add a company name or URL for the company website. I think the
issue with Mr. Butt's sig is it's run-on nature and the use of
traditional sales phrasing like "Best" and "Come See" which makes it
into more of a SPAM style marketing message. To say the least it
doesn't convey
a very professional impression.

"We now sell DVR cards."

"Elephant Boy Computers
www.elephantboycomputers.com
"Don't Panic!"
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User"

Malke's site has general computing help pages, and her sig is not
soliciting anything, though it seems to be an infringement of the
Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy. ;-)

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[Greg Ro]

I think everyone here needs to grow up.
This is not a group to complain what about a poster does.

I see nothing wrong in including one url in there signature business
or not business. Technically it is all adverting

I have been reported for spam. I fought back. Just because some
idiot didn't like my comments.

My isp could careless. I never signed a TOA.


Greg Ro

 

[kurttrail]

I think everyone here needs to grow up.
This is not a group to complain what about a poster does.

I see nothing wrong in including one url in there signature business
or not business. Technically it is all adverting

No. Giving a link is not solicitation.

Saying come to my site, I have goods to sell, is solicitation. That is
spam!

I have been reported for spam. I fought back. Just because some
idiot didn't like my comments.

So? Does that mean anything in this instance? Were you directing
people to go to a certain site to buy goods?

My isp could careless. I never signed a TOA.

LOL!

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[pcbutts1]

You are absolutely right. I can say and do what I want in my sig file. My
ISP knows this and have already told me it is ok. Usenet standard is 4
lines. That's why I am hoping to get reported so I can add more names to my
site. It's fun watching those 2 go at it over nothing. They tried to stop me
from asking for hjt logs, they couldn't. They tried to discredit me and
report me because of my page links, that didn't work. Now they are trying to
get my account cancelled because "they"think my sig is an AUP violation,
that wont work. What next? Genuine Troll activity.

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[kurttrail]

You are absolutely right. I can say and do what I want in my sig
file.
LOL!

My ISP knows this and have already told me it is ok.

Let's see that email!

Usenet
standard is 4 lines.

There is no standard.

That's why I am hoping to get reported so I can
add more names to my site.

Again again guess wrongly about who reported you?

It's fun watching those 2 go at it over
nothing.

I don't think so.

They tried to stop me from asking for hjt logs, they
couldn't.

Was hoping you were reasonable human being, and would understand that
HJT logs have nothing to do with Windows XP, but you proved yourself to
be unreasonable, and disrespectful of this group.

So that is why most of the regulars here don't respect you.

They tried to discredit me and report me because of my page
links, that didn't work.

You discredit yourself with your own actions here.

Now they are trying to get my account
cancelled because "they"think my sig is an AUP violation, that wont
work.

So far nobody said they were gonna turn you in. Paranoid?

What next? Genuine Troll activity.

Poor baby! You purposely disrepect this group, and then you moan and
groan about how you are treated here! ROFL!

A person that wasn't purposely trolling would have left here long ago.

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[John Eddy [MSFT]]

Let's see that email!

It'll just be another poorly edited mail, tho I just did give him the
obvious mistakes from the last one, so the next one will be better.

Where's my name on your site?

 

[David Candy]

There is a 4 line convention. One can say what one likes in one's sig in the hope that this will remove the need for off topic posts.

From RFC 1855 (not a prescriptive RFC)
If you include a signature keep it short. Rule of thumb is no longer than 4 lines.

 

[kurttrail]

There is a 4 line convention. One can say what one likes in one's sig
in the hope that this will remove the need for off topic posts.

From RFC 1855 (not a prescriptive RFC)
If you include a signature keep it short. Rule of thumb is no longer
than 4 lines.

There is no standard, just a memo that says it is in no way an internet
standard.

"This memo does not specify an Internet standard of any kind." -
http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html

And isn't that memo the same one that gives the bottom-posting "rule of
thumb," David?

And take out the line breaks and my sig would be about four lines. ;-)

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[Leythos]

They tried to discredit me

You were never viewed as being credible for as long as I've been here.
None of us had to do anything for that.

and
report me because of my page links, that didn't work.

I didn't report you to anyone about anything - try again.

Now they are trying to
get my account cancelled because "they"think my sig is an AUP violation,
that wont work. What next? Genuine Troll activity.

You clearly don't read well, at least you don't comprehend what you
read. Noone has tried to get your account yanked/terminated. As far as
anyone knows, no one has even reported you silly arse to anyone - and
there is no real reason to, as it's been more fun to watch you squirm.

Do you understand this now: No one is trying to yank your account, we
were having a discussion about your actions and what steps users can do
with ISP's to rid themselves of people like you - no one said they HAVE
or intended to contact your ISP.

As for your credibility, you don't have any, never did, and no one
cares.

 

[Don Burnette]

Perhaps troll.

But your fast living up to your name Mr Butts...


Don Burnette