[Text Editors] Comparison

[John Fitzsimons]

On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 23:05:42 GMT, (e-mail address removed) wrote:

I've almost finished downloading the programs that Susan had noted in
archive.

Someone missed :

Barry's Emacs. I think the home page is/was :

http://www.barrys-emacs.org/

Regards, John.

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[W]

On Sat, 16 Aug 2003 23:05:42 GMT, (e-mail address removed) wrote:



Someone missed :

Barry's Emacs. I think the home page is/was :

http://www.barrys-emacs.org/

Regards, John.

I get a 404. ?

 

[Susan Bugher]

a suggestion, if I may...

in order to keep this simple (in line with the 'original' discussions that
this has grown from), why not limit the web version to the common or
'basic' feature sets. This should reduce your tables somewhat (from the
anticipated 12' plus).

keep up the good work REMbranded!!!

Second that thought!

I'm a firm believer in KISS and I've been racking my feeble brain to
come up with a good way to do the page *without* tables. My personal
prejudice is showing - I don't think I've ever seen a feature table of
any size (on a web page) that I liked. :-D

Perhaps: create a table of special feature *names* at the top of the
page. Make the feature *names* unique enough that people can copy the
feature they want, paste it into the find box and navigate down the page
by using the find/find again functions (each program with a special
feature would have the feature *name* as part of the description.

We've been talking about message filters and brackets - IMO brackets
would work well here -> [tabs] [column edit] [etc.]

Perhaps group the programs into several major categories, then
alphabetize within each group.

JMLBI (just my latest bright idea)

Susan

 

[Pat Keenan]

.........snip..... and it will
simplify the content you have to publish (and your workload)

keep up the good work REMbranded!!!

Your harddrive must be a total mess by now. How many apps have you
downloaded so far? Do you get the opportunity to leave your chair every
now and then to take in food and water? More important, are you getting
any during all this?
On a serious vein, you are one dedicated individual and I applaud thee!
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[REMbranded]

Bill V. <[email protected]> wrote:

I don't think it's a very good program yet, too may limitations
regarding appearance for instance. I recommend using CSVdb until
something better comes along:

It's certainly not perfect either, and not relational, but it's quite
useful already as it is, and very easy to use. The format is CSV, or
whatever delimiter you choose, which means you can export data to
(import into) other database programs. You can export to an HTML
table, the whole lot or selected columns or rows. There is no way to
avoid horizontal scrolling in a web page if you choose to have a lot
of columns though, unless the user has a 2 meter screen.

Thanks. I'll give it a spin too.

Also, how useful is it to compare small and fast, but simple, Notepad
replacements (e.g. Metapad, Ted Notepad etc.) with word processors or
programmers editors?

There are going to be different comparisons. The NotePad class which
looks to be all under 100k or so and the larger programs with
features, programmers, html and hex. I don't think I'm going to mess
with the suites yet.

 

[REMbranded]

Pat Keenan <[email protected]> wrote:

Your harddrive must be a total mess by now. How many apps have you
downloaded so far? Do you get the opportunity to leave your chair every
now and then to take in food and water? More important, are you getting
any during all this?

It's about 50 so far, or 44 megs. Many of these are delightfully
small. I think my current preference, CryptEdit, is one of the larger
so far. One of the tiny assembly programs (most I have never heard of)
might well whup up on CE.

I leave them going and watch TV or type here or browse.

 

[Pat Keenan]

It's about 50 so far, or 44 megs. Many of these are delightfully
small. I think my current preference, CryptEdit, is one of the larger
so far. One of the tiny assembly programs (most I have never heard of)
might well whup up on CE.

I leave them going and watch TV or type here or browse.

I'm hoping that at some point you will post a list/url of all these. I,
for one, would like to dedicate a freeware page with them and proudly
point out the work you have done!

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[BillR]

Susan,
What are the capabilities of the server being used for PL? What
products are preinstalled (e.g., MySQL)?
BillR

 

[horst]

On Sun, 17 Aug 2003 14:42:42 GMT, (e-mail address removed) wrote:



< snip >

Your database idea is good, but as regards....


No need for scrolling.

Notepad = 1
bpad = 2
cpad = 3
dpad = 4
etc
1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 |
builtin zip compression, x x x
FTP and/or web browser, x x
column block selection, x x
spell checker, x
makes the tea,
etc.

Regards, John.

Nice solution, John!
or how about this:

builtin zip compression, 2,4,5
FTP and/or web browser, 2,3
column block selection, 3,4
spell checker, 3
makes the tea,
etc.

This has also the advantage that you wouldn't need complicated tables and you don't need to have a header (wich may disappear on the top of the window as the number of progs is quite large)
And if you have enough time left you may put hyperlinks to the programs in each number.
You are doing a really nice job!
Horst

 

[Susan Bugher]

Susan,
What are the capabilities of the server being used for PL? What
products are preinstalled (e.g., MySQL)?

I haven't got a clue. (Genna may know.)

Susan

 

[REMbranded]

http://woundedmoon.org/win32/maketestfiles1.zip ~22k

If anyone would like to test any of the various editors at home using
identical test files the little program above will write them for you.

It writes:

a file with 1 million characters on a single line.

a file with 1 million characters plus end of line characters.

a file with 2 million characters plus end of line characters.

a file with 5 million characters plus end of line characters.

a file with 10 million characters plus end of line characters.

a file with 100 million characters plus end of line characters.

This makes ~122 megs of text files. Check the ReadMe.txt file.

 

[Ahoy Mate]

The entire thread is becoming verrrry lengthy, and I am intimidated
with all that sorting and reading to find what I want ... perhaps still
not able to locate it.

I want ... a small text editor that will BLOCK highlight .. and there are
several which do that. But, in addition, I want this text editor to
actually reformat ANY text file paragraph to a specified number
of characters. For instance, if I should import a text file having
one continuous string of words a mile long with no returns, etc,
I want it to be reformatted (with Od or OdOa as necessary) for
75, or 60, or 32 characters per line.... so that the saved result
will pop up on ANY other text editor with the 75, 60 or 32
character lines.

There exists a DOS text editor or two which does just that. But,
how about for Windows? Remember ... small.

 

[SINNER]

* Ahoy Mate Wrote in alt.comp.freeware, on Mon, 18 Aug 2003 20:53:52 GMT:

The entire thread is becoming verrrry lengthy, and I am intimidated
with all that sorting and reading to find what I want ... perhaps still
not able to locate it.

I want ... a small text editor that will BLOCK highlight .. and there are
several which do that. But, in addition, I want this text editor to
actually reformat ANY text file paragraph to a specified number
of characters. For instance, if I should import a text file having
one continuous string of words a mile long with no returns, etc,
I want it to be reformatted (with Od or OdOa as necessary) for
75, or 60, or 32 characters per line.... so that the saved result
will pop up on ANY other text editor with the 75, 60 or 32
character lines.

There exists a DOS text editor or two which does just that. But,
how about for Windows? Remember ... small.

vim



runs under windows.

 

[John Fitzsimons]

John Fitzsimons <[email protected]> surveyed the damage, then,
boldy dove into the melee, yelling something about:

I get a 404. ?

So did I. That's why I included "was". I thought however it may have
only been inaccessible to me. Try :

http://web.archive.org/web/20020206052636/http://barrys-emacs.org/emacs7.html#windows

Regards, John.

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[jack horsfield]

On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 00:12:19 GMT, W


So did I. That's why I included "was". I thought however it may have
only been inaccessible to me. Try :

http://web.archive.org/web/20020206052636/http://barrys-emacs.org/emacs7.html#windows

dunno what has happened to the domain. maybe it's a temporary thing.

the discussion group has much later versions than archive.org:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/barrysemacs/


jack
HOPCOUNT exceeded - there is a looping problem

 

[Sheldon Isaac]

Have you looked into vde? This does as you requested. Found a copy
here: http://members.aol.com/wolffsoft/vde.htm

An updated one is at
http://home.att.net/~short.stop/vde.htm

 

[Bob Adkins]

I am still becoming acquainted with most of these programs. Beginning
with the ability to read and edit large text files; alphabetically
ordered by the ability to open large files:

* = very impressive in my opinion.
<= clunky, but it did open and edit the file.

I think you're comparing apples and oranges

Did you notice the correlation between program size and ability to handle
large files?

There are big, heavy-duty editors, and small "Notepad replacements". A HD
editor should handle huge files, as code can run up to hundreds of thousands
of lines and a jillion characters.

NotePad only opens very small files. A good Notepad replacement should
handle much larger files than NotePad while being smaller, faster, and more
feature rich.

I place a great deal of value on fast, compact programs, and especially my
much-used 45KB text editor. No way am I going to use a 2MB Notepad
replacement, nor am I going to open any 100 MB files any time soon.

I am not discouraging your work. I enjoyed your very enlightening report. I
want to see more.

Bob

 

[Stefan Ascher]

If you need an Editor for very large files (even larger than 2 GB), then
I would stick with Vim. AFAIK, it's one of the view editors not loading
the entire file into memory, but just the part you see, and thus it's
much faster.

However, Vim is a matter of taste.

 

[Blinky the Shark]

* Vim v 6.2 - (charityware) - 4144k 41 registry entries - 100 meg
file. (extremely powerful)

I can't tell you how weird it looks to see registry entries attributed
to vim. I know, I know -- but this hammers home how much I'm just
thinking "vim" when I think "vim", as versus thinking "vim and the OS".
Even knowing that this is a Windows-editors discussion!

And my compliments to you on committing to this monster of a project.

I'm far from being a vim guru. But as a user, if I can help you with
anything (short of doing your whole review <g>) specific, let me know.

 

[Blinky the Shark]

If you need an Editor for very large files (even larger than 2 GB), then
I would stick with Vim. AFAIK, it's one of the view editors not loading
the entire file into memory, but just the part you see, and thus it's
much faster.

However, Vim is a matter of taste.

As is champagne. As is lobster. As is Lamborghini.