Seriously, who CODES in Linux? What IDE? Seriously.

[Arne Vajhøj]

Mark Rae [MVP] pulled this Usenet boner:

If you stick with cross-platform libraries, avoid Win32 and .NET, use
standard C/C++, in practise it works pretty well.

You really have to be on guard against letting VS wizards generate your code,
though.

It is possible.

But there are plenty of C++ IDE's available and usually
they make it a lot easier to write Linux C code (or ANSI C
code for that matter).

Arne

 

[Arne Vajhøj]

Also, if you ever want to develop commercial applications, you must
purchase Visual Studio. A hobbyist developer wanting to try to earn some
money with his creations may not want to pay €999+ for it before he's
even making any money.

Not true.

VS Express Editions can be used for commercial applicationst.

Arne

 

[Arne Vajhøj]

I was sure I learned a few years back that you could *not* use the free,
Express editions commercially. Do you know anything about this?
Either way, that sounds very good and I thank you for making me aware of
this. Only VS 2008 is mentioned though, so I wonder if it also applies
for VS 2010.

All Express Edition - 2005 and 2008 and 2010 - has always allowed
commercial usage.

The FAQ does not seem to have been updated for 2010. But if you
check the actual license for the 2010 versions, then it does
not prohibit commercial usage.

Arne

 

[Arne Vajhøj]

I wrote that post believing that you could (still) not use the express
editions commercially. Please see my previous post. I stand however
corrected now.

The first versions of Express was 2005 and they also allowed
commercial usage.

Arne

 

[Arne Vajhøj]

Anything you develop on a windows visual language is throwaway code. Use it and
toss it. Don't ever expect any of it to run anywhere else, even on a future
version of your current visual language.

Not true.

C# code from .NET 1.0 should build fine on .NET 4.0.

Same for VB.NET.

C++ for .NET changed significant from 1.1 to 2.0, but that
seems to be the exception.

Arne

 

[Arne Vajhøj]

Several years ago, I was forced to use visual studio. I hated every
minute of it. Sheer hell. So hard to do anything of any substance. I
programmed C in Linux and was significantly more productive than the
sheep forced into visual hell.

Not everybody likes a specific IDE.

But VS has a good reputation in general.

Arne

 

[Jackie]

Not true.

VS Express Editions can be used for commercial applicationst.

Arne

I have already said that it was a mistake from my side. Thank you

 

[Jackie]

The question is how you made that mistake? You weren't just repeating
mindless COLA type lies were you with ZERO idea yourself? I think you
were ...

To me, that seems to be a question you made just now. Exactly what is
your problem? When people are quick to assume that other people are
liars, it tells a lot about themselves. You can believe so if that makes
you feel any better. I was sure I read it on MS' site some years ago.
Honest mistake, that's all.

 

[Chris Ahlstrom]

Jackie pulled this Usenet boner:

To me, that seems to be a question you made just now. Exactly what is
your problem? When people are quick to assume that other people are
liars, it tells a lot about themselves.

Indeed. "Hadron" is well known here in COLA as a *shameless* liar.

Honest mistake, that's all.

And you get credit for that acknowledgment.

 

[Jackie]

Indeed. "Hadron" is well known here in COLA as a *shameless* liar.

I see.

And you get credit for that acknowledgment.

Please, I do not need feel that I earned it, but thank you.

 

[RayLopez99]

No. You are just ignorant.

Arne

Tx Arne for your opinion.

Now, SOAP or REST? That is the question I pose to you. i'm getting
into WCF and SOAP now. Seems like a lot of XML stuff, which is OK
with me.

RL

 

[RayLopez99]

Before you get suckered in here Arne, you should be aware that Liarmutt
(Chris) is a Windows programmer. He was apparently unaware that it is
illegal in C to dereference a null pointer AND he was advising a C
programmer to use casts in order to rid himself of "annoying" compiler
compile time warnings concerning incompatible data type assignments. In
short a bluffer.

If you "avoid" .net as a professional programmer you MIGHT end up with
something cross platform (why one would ask if there is market for it)
but at the same time you are losing the benefits of the world leading
.net infrastructure which provides a lot o useful libraries for
enterprise programmers.

Good one Hadron. Truth is, when I transitioned from C to C++ I made
the same mistakes as Chris (Liarmutt) with the pointers. Then when I
transitioned from C++ to C# (garbage collected) I made other
mistakes. But I lerned from my mistakes and I'm bitter for it. ;-)
Unlike the liar, Liarmutt, a troll with no value add. At least when
I'm trolling you know it--I don't try and pretend I'm a professional
coder (most of the time).

Arne is very helpful btw in m.p.d.l.c, along with a few other fellows
like Peter Dunghino and Jon Skeets and some of the other MSFT MVPs
like Mark Rae, etc.

RL

 

[RayLopez99]

Now, SOAP or REST?  That is the question I pose to you.  i'm getting
into WCF and SOAP now.  Seems like a lot of XML stuff, which is OK
with me.

Here is what I found from the link Rex Ballard posted (sounds
reasonable to me). So SOAP is superior.

RL

To summarize their strengths and weaknesses:
*** SOAP ***
Pros:
• Langauge, platform, and transport agnostic
• Designed to handle distributed computing environments
• Is the prevailing standard for web services, and hence has better
support from other standards (WSDL, WS-*) and tooling from vendors
• Built-in error handling (faults)
• Extensibility
Cons:
• Conceptually more difficult, more "heavy-weight" than REST
• More verbose
• Harder to develop, requires tools
*** REST ***
Pros:
• Language and platform agnostic
• Much simpler to develop than SOAP
• Small learning curve, less reliance on tools
• Concise, no need for additional messaging layer
• Closer in design and philosophy to the Web
Cons:
• Assumes a point-to-point communication model--not usable for
distributed computing environment where message may go through one or
more intermediaries
• Lack of standards support for security, policy, reliable messaging,
etc., so services that have more sophisticated requirements are harder
to develop ("roll your own")
• Tied to the HTTP transport model

 

[Craig Berntson]

See http://www.mono-project.com/Main_Page

So, they work in C#, etc. They use php, java, python, ruby, C++, etc.

And, just creating Silverlight apps may not work. Moonlight only supports up
to Silverlight 2.0.

 

[Jackie]

You didnt answer. Why did you start huffing and puffing about HAVING TO
PAY when you didn't know?

My problem is that I think you came in without checking your facts and
repeating bullshit COLA claims. Like good "advocates" do.

In short : you're a bullshitter.

It seems to me like you are having a bad day. It is okay if you are
having one but please try to not take it out on other people. I do not
see the point in answering that question, and especially not when you
are having that attitude with me.

 

[Peter Köhlmann]

Interesting. One link to a single lie please.

You mean like the *hundreds* of links already posted, and totally ignored
by you?

You can pull as may Glassers as you like by simply ignoring those links
and then claiming they don't exist, that will not make them go away though

 

[Jackie]

I asked you why you thought you were qualified to start lecturing people
on IDEs when it was clear you did not know?

Would you like to admit you were repeating COLA bullshit? Or would you
like to admit you simply did not know? In which case I ask you why you
felt qualified to put VS and MS down?

You see it happens a lot in COLA and some of us like correcting COLA
liars.

*sigh* You are making assumptions and you are wrong about them. Whether
you choose to believe me or not is completely up to you. I am not going
to waste time on trying to prove myself to you. I have already said what
I needed to say, so I do not need to to repeat myself. I really don't
get why you keep going on and on about this.

 

[ray]

It seems to me like you are having a bad day. It is okay if you are
having one but please try to not take it out on other people. I do not
see the point in answering that question, and especially not when you
are having that attitude with me.

Better get used to it - that's typical hardon. If he's not calling you a
liar, then he's putting words into your mouth so he can.

 

[Moshe]

Interesting. One link to a single lie please.

You will also notice (or not as you never read the thread when sucking
up and kissing arse) that it was not me that was making erroneous claims
about VC and commercial licenses.


That is true. But the question remains as to WHY he made that claim. IF
he is a professional developer then he KNEW that. If he has not then he
is repeating mindless bullshit COLA claims.

You know, like you backing Peter Koehlmann up that it is ok to
dereference a null pointer in C.

Now, once again : what lie or lies? It was NOT me making the claim about
VS.

Once again your sucking up and looking for more allies lands you in the
doodoo.

Amazing isn't it?
And so predictable.

 

[Chris Ahlstrom]

ray pulled this Usenet boner:

Better get used to it - that's typical hardon. If he's not calling you a
liar, then he's putting words into your mouth so he can.

Yup, that's "our" "Hadron".