running out of space.........I "guess"?

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Mike said:
XP needs 20-25gb.. crippling the ability to store restore points is not
a particularly good idea..
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LOL! And this joker calls himself an MVP. Too funny! I've been running
an XP machine with 16 GB for C and 144 for D with no problems for over
six years now. My system restore has been reduced to 1GB and works
perfectly.

Alias
 
Why Mike? How would resizing the pagefile help this user?

Are you expecting Microsoft to issue a Windows XP SP4 to dramatically
increase the disk space required? I can not see how you reach your
pessimistic conclusions.

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riogrande said:
Thanks Tim,

disk cleanup not yielding anything of value....xp automatically asking me
if
I wanted to run it many times in the last weeks as space got low.

downloaded the WinDirStat and will see if that produces any idea of what I
could "blow away"......yet tbd.

Thanks...
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You may be able to run Easeus without having to uninstall any programs, but
do the Quicken backup anyway.

When you first run Easeus:

Resize the second partition such that you create 10gb or thereabouts of free
space. Apply the change.

The free space will end up on the wrong side of the newly size second
partition.

So, highlight the second partition and click on 'resize/move'. This will
allow you to slide the second partition graphic to the far right. Apply the
change.

The unallocated space will now be at the end of the primary partition.

Now highlight the primary partition and click on resize/move. Use the
controls to take up all of the unallocated space.

Job done..
 
Mike

Please explain why? You engage in a long debate. You fail to make your
case and then out of frustration make a recommendation without
explaining the risks of what you propose!

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Gerry
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Gerry said:
Mike

You're mistaken on several counts.

XP does not need 20-25gb. You are confusing the requirements of XP plus
pagefile plus programmes plus default folders like My Documents etc with
the requirements of the operating system. As long as there is free disk
space elsewhere you can run a problem free computer with much less than
20 gb.
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But NOT if you want to have the Program Files, My Documents, pagefile, etc,
all together on the C: partition, which is the most sensible approach
(including for backups, etc). It makes little sense to store those
fundamental directories on another partition. (But video files?? Sure.
But not this stuff). This way when you image and/or restore your drive,
you have it ALL backed up together, just as it should be.
 
But NOT if you want to have the Program Files, My Documents, pagefile, etc,
all together on the C: partition, which is the most sensible approach
(including for backups, etc).
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Essentially there are two approaches to backup:

1. Cloning or imaging the entire drive.

2. Backing up only the data files you have created.

In my view, for those people who are not dual-booting, how you
partition should depend on which backup scheme you use. If you clone
or image the entire drive, it's usually best to have a single
partition. If you just backup data, *not* having My Documents on C:
usually makes the backup simpler and easier, so you can simply backup
all of D:.
 
Essentially there are two approaches to backup:

1. Cloning or imaging the entire drive.

2. Backing up only the data files you have created.

In my view, for those people who are not dual-booting, how you
partition should depend on which backup scheme you use. If you clone
or image the entire drive, it's usually best to have a single
partition. If you just backup data, *not* having My Documents on C:
usually makes the backup simpler and easier, so you can simply backup
all of D:.
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For me, I see little practical use and safety in *just* backing up the data,
and just the data alone. That's just too much of a long shot in case
something - anything - goes wrong with the system. (It's better than NO
backup, but not by much :-).
 
Bill

Separation of the operating system and program files is a perfectly
reasonable arrangement. It just does not suit everybody. Moving program
files was not something I was advocating in this instance as I doubt it
is necessary.

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Gerry
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FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
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For me, I see little practical use and safety in *just* backing up the data,
and just the data alone. That's just too much of a long shot in case
something - anything - goes wrong with the system. (It's better than NO
backup, but not by much :-).
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It's not my choice either, but it is the choice of *many* people. They
reason that they can easily and quickly reinstall the operating system
and their programs. If they don't have a lot of programs installed and
not a lot of operating system customization, they could be right about
its being quick and easy.
 
Gerry said:
Why Mike? How would resizing the pagefile help this user?

Are you expecting Microsoft to issue a Windows XP SP4 to dramatically
increase the disk space required? I can not see how you reach your
pessimistic conclusions.

--


Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Resizing the page file would be the best way to get enough free space such
that utilities would work, that and what I have suggested directly to the
OP.
Reducing the system restore space could take out valuable restore points
which the OP may well need in the very near future..

I will ignore the other statement that you made. It deserves no response.
 
Gerry said:
Mike

Please explain why? You engage in a long debate. You fail to make your
case and then out of frustration make a recommendation without explaining
the risks of what you propose!

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Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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The risks of leaving the computer the way that it is outweigh the risks of
using Easeus. I have already suggested to the OP that some applications are
removed and any pertinent data to them is backed up prior to using Easeus.

I did NOT make a suggestion out of frustration, but I may get a little
frustrated if every time that I write anything, you follow up with arguing
the points.
 
Gerry said:
Bill

Separation of the operating system and program files is a perfectly
reasonable arrangement. It just does not suit everybody. Moving program
files was not something I was advocating in this instance as I doubt it is
necessary.

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Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
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Gerry

Many applications place files into the Windows folder and user account
folders. The practice of separating programs and the operating system is for
the most part a useless exercise, as all applications will have to be
re-installed again in the event of a major OS crash..
 
Mike said:
Gerry

Many applications place files into the Windows folder and user account
folders. The practice of separating programs and the operating system is
for
the most part a useless exercise, as all applications will have to be
re-installed again in the event of a major OS crash..
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Exactly. That's why it makes no sense to me to even try to separate them
out to another partition, because in reality, they are inextricably linked
to the windows partition.

The only exception perhaps being for those who just want to back up their
data. But that's an incomplete "backup" methodology. But as Ken pointed
out, if they have no problem with the idea of reinstalling windows and their
programs all over again, should the need arise, so be it. (I think I would
rather cross the Sahara desert, than go through ALL that again - the time
invested would be inordinate).
 
Mike

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Resizing the page file would be the best way to get enough free space
such that utilities would work, that and what I have suggested
directly to the OP.
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That is your opinion. From my point of view it is unneccesary.

Reducing the system restore space could take out valuable restore
points which the OP may well need in the very near future..
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You only need a single restore point before the problem arose not every
Tom , Dick or Harry back to time immemorial! In reality many users have
great difficulties using System Restore. Many users have abandoned
System Restore for other backup software.



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Gerry
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Mike

I agree with what you say except that I recently encountered a situation
with one programme where reinstallation was not necessary. This runs
contrary to the normal rule but what happened with this programme is not
unique as I subsequently found it when it was discussed in these
newsgroups.


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Gerry
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Stourport, England
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Mike

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The risks of leaving the computer the way that it is outweigh the
risks of using Easeus.
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My proposals contained a number of changes so no one was suggesting
"leaving the computer the way that it is"! The risks to be compared are
those arising from my proposals and your solution. Changing a partition
size is far riskier than anything I have suggested, especially given
that you are suggesting software the OP has most likely no previous
experience of using.
I have already suggested to the OP that some
applications are removed and any pertinent data to them is backed up
prior to using Easeus.
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You only mentioned Quicken. How do you know what other data is on the
computer to be lost?
I did NOT make a suggestion out of frustration, but I may get a little
frustrated if every time that I write anything, you follow up with
arguing the points.
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You started this debate by your ill considered remarks regarding my
original advice to the OP seeking help. Did you seriously expect your
intervention to go unchallenged? There are occasions when resizing the
partition would be appropriate but based on the information we have this
is not one. It is a choice the OP has. You could have avoided this
confrontation had you chosen to let the OP make their choice based on
the responses received.


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Gerry
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Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
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Gerry said:
Mike

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My proposals contained a number of changes so no one was suggesting
"leaving the computer the way that it is"! The risks to be compared are
those arising from my proposals and your solution. Changing a partition
size is far riskier than anything I have suggested, especially given that
you are suggesting software the OP has most likely no previous experience
of using.


You only mentioned Quicken. How do you know what other data is on the
computer to be lost?


You started this debate by your ill considered remarks regarding my
original advice to the OP seeking help. Did you seriously expect your
intervention to go unchallenged? There are occasions when resizing the
partition would be appropriate but based on the information we have this
is not one. It is a choice the OP has. You could have avoided this
confrontation had you chosen to let the OP make their choice based on the
responses received.


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Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
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Gerry

They were not ill considered at all. The OP has just 155mb free space on a
14gb partition. It is obviously not large enough and needs to be extended.
There is 80gb free elsewhere on the drive

Your suggestions would only free up a small amount of space which would soon
be lost again if anything else was installed. It is best to keep 30% of a
drive free if best performance is to be had. The ONLY way to do this is to
extend the partition.

The OP has already moved 'photos etc' to the D drive and still there is not
enough free space. There is a very good chance that important data other
than Quicken has already been moved.

This is one of the most appropriate 'repartition' cases I have seen in a
while. I have no idea why you think the opposite.
 
Gerry said:
Mike

I agree with what you say except that I recently encountered a situation
with one programme where reinstallation was not necessary. This runs
contrary to the normal rule but what happened with this programme is not
unique as I subsequently found it when it was discussed in these
newsgroups.


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Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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I have a program which can be moved. It is called 'Wintach' and was produced
way back in the days of Win 95. Other than one or two other utilities,
everything else I have needs to be re-installed in the event of a total OS
crash.
 
Exactly. That's why it makes no sense to me to even try to separate them
out to another partition, because in reality, they are inextricably linked
to the windows partition.
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I'm with you entirely on that point.

The only exception perhaps being for those who just want to back up their
data. But that's an incomplete "backup" methodology. But as Ken pointed
out, if they have no problem with the idea of reinstalling windows and their
programs all over again, should the need arise, so be it. (I think I would
rather cross the Sahara desert, than go through ALL that again - the time
invested would be inordinate).
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Just to clarify my position a little further: I wouldn't want to go
through all that again either, for the same reason. My only point is
that although you and I appear to in much the same situation with
regard to this, not everyone is.
 
Mike

I agree with what you say except that I recently encountered a situation
with one programme where reinstallation was not necessary. This runs
contrary to the normal rule but what happened with this programme is not
unique as I subsequently found it when it was discussed in these
newsgroups.
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Gerry, let me make one small point here. Yes, what you describe is not
unique, but it's fairly rare. It mostly happens only with programs
that are simple and small.

As I've said here numbers of times, "if you reinstall Windows, you
will have to reinstall all your programs. Except for an occasional
very small simple program, all programs have entries referring to them
in the registry (as well as elsewhere). If you reinstall Windows, all
those entries are lost, and the program won't work."
 
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