Ridisc and Datasafe ink & SVP?

[Angus]

Hi all

I've been getting Ridisc and/or Datasafe ink cartridges from SVP (blank disc
shop) in the UK for about £1.35 each for my R300.

Having just gone to order some more I see that SVP have suspended sales of
all Epson compatibles, with no information why (and they ask you not to
email them about it)

Sorry if this has been asked already, but is the withdrawal of these
cartridges simply a supply problem with SVP?, or is it part of a crackdown
by Epson to stop the sale of chipped compatible inks?

Either way, it's a real sod - the Ridisc/Datasafe cartridges were the best
and cheapest compatibles that I've used.

 

[Santa]

Hi all

I've been getting Ridisc and/or Datasafe ink cartridges from SVP (blank
disc shop) in the UK for about £1.35 each for my R300.

Having just gone to order some more I see that SVP have suspended sales of
all Epson compatibles, with no information why (and they ask you not to
email them about it)

http://www.bigpockets.co.uk still have the Jettec inks in stock,
http://www.dvdshoponline.co.uk/Stylus_R300.html have "blue box" compatibles,
and http://search.ebay.co.uk//search/search.dll?from=R40&satitle=epson+r300
returns lots

So far, all the 3rd party inks I've tried have been exactly the same (even
down to a slight green cast on B/W prints).

 

[Angus]

http://www.bigpockets.co.uk still have the Jettec inks in stock,
http://www.dvdshoponline.co.uk/Stylus_R300.html have "blue box"
compatibles,
and
http://search.ebay.co.uk//search/search.dll?from=R40&satitle=epson+r300
returns lots

So far, all the 3rd party inks I've tried have been exactly the same (even
down to a slight green cast on B/W prints).

Thanks - I managed to source some (actually, slightly cheaper than SVP) but
they won't be getting any more after their stocks run out. It is, as I
suspected, due to litigation by Epson.

So, sod Epson - I've bought three Epson printers in the last 2 years (all
still working!) but my next one/s will be Canon.

Re: the quality of compatibles - I tried most of them, and I did find the
Ridisc/Datasafe ones to be better, particularly when reproducing black
without the green cast. They were only marginally below genuine Epson ink
quality.

 

[Martin]

http://www.bigpockets.co.uk still have the Jettec inks in stock,
http://www.dvdshoponline.co.uk/Stylus_R300.html have "blue box" compatibles,
and http://search.ebay.co.uk//search/search.dll?from=R40&satitle=epson+r300
returns lots

So far, all the 3rd party inks I've tried have been exactly the same (even
down to a slight green cast on B/W prints).

Thinking laterally for a solution have you considered going for the
refill route.

MIS (www.inksupply.com) have come out with spongeless carts for the R300
(amongst others) and already have all the ink you could need (good
quality stuff too). Refilling the new carts is an absolute doddle and
you'd simply need the carts, a set of chips, chip resetter and the kit
that MIS supply to inject the ink into the carts every time you need a
refill.

Or you could head for a Continuous Ink Supply. Given that you have the
R300, it's easy to reset the waste ink counter, install an external
waste tank and just keep on printing till you get bored.

Just a thought but as for Canon, well they're likely to be headed for
litigation too once their new chipped carts have finally drowned the
rest of the chipless models. But if you can get an iP4000 I'd go for it
although it's magenta does seem rather more bright that epsons.

Anyways, just some thoughts that may or may not help.

Martin

 

[Angus]

Thinking laterally for a solution have you considered going for the refill
route.

MIS (www.inksupply.com) have come out with spongeless carts for the R300
(amongst others) and already have all the ink you could need (good quality
stuff too). Refilling the new carts is an absolute doddle and you'd simply
need the carts, a set of chips, chip resetter and the kit that MIS supply
to inject the ink into the carts every time you need a refill.

Or you could head for a Continuous Ink Supply. Given that you have the
R300, it's easy to reset the waste ink counter, install an external waste
tank and just keep on printing till you get bored.

Just a thought but as for Canon, well they're likely to be headed for
litigation too once their new chipped carts have finally drowned the rest
of the chipless models. But if you can get an iP4000 I'd go for it
although it's magenta does seem rather more bright that epsons.

Anyways, just some thoughts that may or may not help.<<<

Thanks Martin. I haven't looked at the ink scene for several months, having
been very happy with my (until now) freely available Ridisc & Datasafe
compatibles, and was unaware of current efforts by manufacturers to stamp
out non-genuine ink.

Now I see to my horror that the noose is tightening - I can see the whole
'compatible' cartridge market being forced 'underground, and sold in car
boot sales, etc, as no retailer will dare risk being sued by the might
corporations.

I read a review on the Canon 4200 that tells an horrific tale of the machine
detecting that you refilled your cartridges, and presenting you with two
choices before continuing - 1/ admit your guilt and install a genuine Canon
cartridge, or 2/ relinquish your warranty rights (which is written to flash
memory!) and continuing without the benefit of Canon's ink management
utilities!

BASTARDS!

So, what to do? I've been looking for an ip4000 but they seem to be getting
scarce (no wonder!). My R300 is fine at the moment and I have a supply of
cartridges that should last three or four months - after that, who knows? -
let's hope that all those existing stocks of non-genuine cartridges get
diverted to the Sunday Markets!

Thanks for the info about the refillable tanks - my main concern is what to
replace my current printer (actually, I have two R300's) with when they
croak. I can't say how disappointed I am to discover that Canon have gone
down the chipped route (and even more ruthlessly than Epson)

 

[measekite]

Thanks Martin. I haven't looked at the ink scene for several months, having
been very happy with my (until now) freely available Ridisc & Datasafe
compatibles, and was unaware of current efforts by manufacturers to stamp
out non-genuine ink.

THE ONLY GENUINE INK IS CANON, HP, AND EPSON NOT THE GENERIC CRAP

Now I see to my horror that the noose is tightening - I can see the whole
'compatible' cartridge market being forced 'underground,

THAT IS TERRIFIC

and sold in car
boot sales, etc, as no retailer will dare risk being sued by the might
corporations.

IF THERE WERE GOOD LEGITIMATE COMPANIES THAT WOULD NOT HAPPEN.

I read a review on the Canon 4200 that tells an horrific tale of the machine
detecting that you refilled your cartridges, and presenting you with two
choices before continuing - 1/ admit your guilt and install a genuine Canon
cartridge, or 2/ relinquish your warranty rights

THAT IS THE WAY IS SHOULD BE. CANON SHOULD NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR DAMAGE
CAUSED BY A FLY BY NIGHT COMPANY

(which is written to flash
memory!) and continuing without the benefit of Canon's ink management
utilities!

BASTARDS!

So, what to do? I've been looking for an ip4000 but they seem to be getting
scarce (no wonder!).

I WILL SELL YOU MINE FOR 10 MILION DOLLARS.

My R300 is fine at the moment and I have a supply of
cartridges that should last three or four months - after that, who knows? -
let's hope that all those existing stocks of non-genuine cartridges get
diverted to the Sunday Markets!

HA HA HA HA BET THERE IS NO HE HE HE ON THIS ONE

Thanks for the info about the refillable tanks - my main concern is what to
replace my current printer (actually, I have two R300's) with when they
croak.

FROM A PRINTHEAD CLOG

 

[measekite]

Thinking laterally for a solution have you considered going for the
refill route.

MIS (www.inksupply.com) have come out with spongeless carts for the
R300 (amongst others)

THEY WILL NOT DISCLOSE WHAT THEY ARE SELLING YOU

and already have all the ink you could need (good quality stuff too).
Refilling the new carts is an absolute doddle

DOODLE = MESSY PAIN IN THE ASS

and you'd simply need the carts, a set of chips, chip resetter and the
kit that MIS supply to inject the ink into the carts every time you
need a refill.

Or you could head for a Continuous Ink Supply. Given that you have the
R300, it's easy to reset the waste ink counter, install an external
waste tank and just keep on printing till you get bored.

Just a thought but as for Canon, well they're likely to be headed for
litigation too once their new chipped carts

HA HA HA

 

[measekite]

Thanks - I managed to source some (actually, slightly cheaper than SVP) but
they won't be getting any more after their stocks run out. It is, as I
suspected, due to litigation by Epson.

So, sod Epson - I've bought three Epson printers in the last 2 years (all
still working!) but my next one/s will be Canon.

Re: the quality of compatibles - I tried most of them, and I did find the
Ridisc/Datasafe ones to be better, particularly when reproducing black
without the green cast. They were only marginally below genuine Epson ink
quality.

OF COURSE THEY WERE NOT AS GOOD.

 

[Angus]

HA HA HA HA BET THERE IS NO HE HE HE ON THIS ONE<

It's nice to see simple people being allowed to use the net.

Give your carer my good wishes.

 

[measekite]

http://www.bigpockets.co.uk still have the Jettec inks in stock,
http://www.dvdshoponline.co.uk/Stylus_R300.html have "blue box" compatibles,
and http://search.ebay.co.uk//search/search.dll?from=R40&satitle=epson+r300
returns lots

So far, all the 3rd party inks I've tried have been exactly the same (even
down to a slight green cast on B/W prints).

BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SAME. THEY WILL NOT DISCLOSE IT IS THE SAME JUNK
THAT IS SOLD UNDER A DIFFERENT LABEL. THAT WAY YOU CANNOT TRACK THE
PERFORMANCE.

 

[measekite]

Hi all

I've been getting Ridisc and/or Datasafe ink cartridges from SVP (blank disc
shop) in the UK for about £1.35 each for my R300.

Having just gone to order some more I see that SVP have suspended sales of
all Epson compatibles,

THAT IS GOOD

with no information why (and they ask you not to
email them about it)

Sorry if this has been asked already, but is the withdrawal of these
cartridges simply a supply problem with SVP?, or is it part of a

crackdown

AND THAT IS BETTER

 

[Frank]

It's nice to see simple people being allowed to use the net.

Give your carer my good wishes.

Angus, never mind the idiotic incomprehensible ramblings of our resident
troll. He is moron who knows nothing about ink, paper or printers.
There is far too much money involved for the after market ink business
for it to ever go away.
Won't happen!
Frank

 

[Gary Tait]

Thanks for the info about the refillable tanks - my main concern is
what to replace my current printer (actually, I have two R300's) with
when they croak. I can't say how disappointed I am to discover that
Canon have gone down the chipped route (and even more ruthlessly than
Epson)

The a 4000 Canaon while there still are some in the chain.

 

[Gary Tait]

THE ONLY GENUINE INK IS CANON, HP, AND EPSON NOT THE GENERIC CRAP

True, but formulated (as oppposed to generic) aftermarket ink is not very
far down the ink ladder.

IF THERE WERE GOOD LEGITIMATE COMPANIES THAT WOULD NOT HAPPEN.

Good as in aftermarket ink companies have clout to become a marketing or
lobbying force that would stop the "Razor and Blades" game the printer
manufactuers carry on.

Good as in the printer manufacturer that welcomes the aftermarket ink
industry, and maybe go as far as certifying ink formulations for use in
their printers.

The aftermarket ink companies as they stand aren't all bad.

THAT IS THE WAY IS SHOULD BE. CANON SHOULD NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR DAMAGE
CAUSED BY A FLY BY NIGHT COMPANY

What about a long established company that has been in buisness longer
than Canon has, or at least longer than Canon has been selling printers,
or even makes the ink for Canon?

What about error or neglect by the user with OEM inks?
What if a used does indeed manage to use OEM BCI7 inks?

FROM A PRINTHEAD CLOG

Usually, but other failures have surely happened.

 

[Gary Tait]

I read a review on the Canon 4200 that tells an horrific tale of the
machine detecting that you refilled your cartridges, and presenting
you with two choices before continuing - 1/ admit your guilt and
install a genuine Canon cartridge, or 2/ relinquish your warranty
rights (which is written to flash memory!) and continuing without the
benefit of Canon's ink management utilities!

My understanding is that is basically illegal. That cannot deny you a
right to warrantee because you decide to use an aftermarket consumable,
unless they are giving you their consumable.

All you have to do is refill, "accept" the warrantee loss and manually
keep an eye on the ink level. In the event of warrantee service, take
them up on their game.

I can't say how disappointed I am to discover that Canon have gone
down the chipped route (and even more ruthlessly than Epson)

I am too, kinda. The "smartcart" is a good thing IMO, except with no
means to reset it. If I wanted to be good to the refill community, I'd
make them in-printer resettable.

 

[Gary Tait]

Martin wrote:


THEY WILL NOT DISCLOSE WHAT THEY ARE SELLING YOU

Neither do OEMs, so there.

DOODLE = MESSY PAIN IN THE ASS

Nope. Doddle= Child's play, simple, easy.

 

[measekite]

Neither do OEMs, so there.

YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BE AN IDIOT TO KNOW THAT THE OEMS ARE THE FOOD CHAIN.

Nope. Doddle= Child's play, simple, easy.

SO YOU MUST BE A CHILD

 

[measekite]

My understanding is that is basically illegal. That cannot deny you a
right to warrantee because you decide to use an aftermarket consumable,
unless they are giving you their consumable.

WRONGO BONGO. IF THE GENERIC INK RUINS THEIR PRINTER THEY DO NOT HAVE
TO FIX IT.

All you have to do is refill, "accept" the warrantee loss and manually
keep an eye on the ink level. In the event of warrantee service, take
them up on their game.

THEY NEED TO DO SOMETHING FOR THERE IS NOT ONE AFTERMARKET FORMULATOR
MFG THAT SELLS PREFILLED CARTS UNDER THEIR OWN NAME AND BOX AND SELL
THEM IN ALL VENUES. NOT ONE.

I am too, kinda. The "smartcart" is a good thing IMO, except with no
means to reset it. If I wanted to be good to the refill community, I'd
make them in-printer resettable.

THERE IS NO COMMUNITY JUST A BUNCH OF HACKERS

 

[measekite]

True, but formulated (as oppposed to generic) aftermarket ink is not very
far down the ink ladder.

IT IS WHEN YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE GETTING

 

[Frank]

My understanding is that is basically illegal. That cannot deny you a
right to warrantee because you decide to use an aftermarket consumable,
unless they are giving you their consumable.

All you have to do is refill, "accept" the warrantee loss and manually
keep an eye on the ink level. In the event of warrantee service, take
them up on their game.




I am too, kinda. The "smartcart" is a good thing IMO, except with no
means to reset it. If I wanted to be good to the refill community, I'd
make them in-printer resettable.

They cannot deny your warranty because of the ink you use (or don't
use). That is just one of the big lies perpetrated by that lying moron
meashershithead.
Don't believe a word he says cause it's all lies.
Frank