Returning drive to fat32 from NTFS

G

GTT

I bought a second hard drive for my machine and a friend installed it.
He formated it on his machine first. I notice it is NTFS while my
other drive and partiotions on it are Fat32. I would leave it as NTFS
but I still have dual boot with win 98.

Nothing is on this drive yet. What do I do under XP to format it as
Fat32. Detailed steps please or is it as simple as typing format E:
How do I designate Fat32 or will it ask me. I have Partitionmagic but
it doesn't have any instructions on going from NTFS to fat32 just the
other way..
 
G

Gordon

GTT said:
I bought a second hard drive for my machine and a friend installed it.
He formated it on his machine first. I notice it is NTFS while my
other drive and partiotions on it are Fat32. I would leave it as NTFS
but I still have dual boot with win 98.

Nothing is on this drive yet. What do I do under XP to format it as
Fat32. Detailed steps please or is it as simple as typing format E:
How do I designate Fat32 or will it ask me. I have Partitionmagic but
it doesn't have any instructions on going from NTFS to fat32 just the
other way..
Right-click on My Computer and choose Manage. In the right-hand pane,
click on Storage, then Disk Management(local). Right-click on the drive
and choose "Format".
HTH
 
Y

Yao Su

As you have NO file on the driver that you want it to be converted into
FAT32, you can safely format it via Windows Explorer or Disk Management MMC
Snap-in (in the Computer Management). Make sure you have selected FAT32 for
the file system option before performing the operation.

--
Regards,
Yao Su
http://blog.mvpcn.net/suyao


|I bought a second hard drive for my machine and a friend installed it.
| He formated it on his machine first. I notice it is NTFS while my
| other drive and partiotions on it are Fat32. I would leave it as NTFS
| but I still have dual boot with win 98.
|
| Nothing is on this drive yet. What do I do under XP to format it as
| Fat32. Detailed steps please or is it as simple as typing format E:
| How do I designate Fat32 or will it ask me. I have Partitionmagic but
| it doesn't have any instructions on going from NTFS to fat32 just the
| other way..
|
 
A

Anna

Gordon said:
Right-click on My Computer and choose Manage. In the right-hand pane,
click on Storage, then Disk Management(local). Right-click on the drive
and choose "Format".
HTH
Interim Systems and Management Accounting
Gordon Burgess-Parker
Director
www.gbpcomputing.co.uk


HTH...
Gordon's instructions are accurate (as is the similar response you rec'd
from Yao Su); in that you can use XP's built-in Disk Management utility to
format your drive in FAT32, but there is a limitation. Keep in mind that by
using XP's DM utility you will *not* have the option of formatting your
drive in FAT32 if the drive is > 32 GB. And I assume that since you just
purchased the drive, it's probably at least 40 GB. Assuming your drive is >
32 GB, you could, of course, multi-partition it in the DM utility so that at
least one partition you create is < 32 GB. Then you could use DM to format
one or more of those partitions in FAT32. If that's acceptable to you, then
use DM. The DM Help file contains detailed information on how to partition
and format your hard drive.

You mention you have Partition Magic. Assuming this is version 8, you can
use PM to convert the present NTFS partition to FAT32. The instructions are
contained in PM's Help files.
Anna
 
S

Steve N.

Anna said:
HTH...
Gordon's instructions are accurate (as is the similar response you rec'd
from Yao Su); in that you can use XP's built-in Disk Management utility to
format your drive in FAT32, but there is a limitation. Keep in mind that by
using XP's DM utility you will *not* have the option of formatting your
drive in FAT32 if the drive is > 32 GB. And I assume that since you just
purchased the drive, it's probably at least 40 GB. Assuming your drive is >
32 GB, you could, of course, multi-partition it in the DM utility so that at
least one partition you create is < 32 GB. Then you could use DM to format
one or more of those partitions in FAT32. If that's acceptable to you, then
use DM. The DM Help file contains detailed information on how to partition
and format your hard drive.

You mention you have Partition Magic. Assuming this is version 8, you can
use PM to convert the present NTFS partition to FAT32. The instructions are
contained in PM's Help files.
Anna

Good advice Anna, but if it was me I'd just boot a Win98 floppy or CD
and use fdisk to delete the NTFS partition and create a DOS partition on
the disk. Then XP will be able to format it.

Steve
 
A

Anna

GTT said:


Steve wrote...
Good advice Anna, but if it was me I'd just boot a Win98 floppy or CD and
use fdisk to delete the NTFS partition and create a DOS partition on the
disk. Then XP will be able to format it.

Steve


Steve:
I most certainly agree with you. It's the way I would (and usually do) do it
that way. I just thought in this instance this OP might have a problem with
this approach. So I continued with the thread that recommended using XP's
Disk Management utility. But using a Win9x/Me Startup Disk or DOS boot
floppy, as you suggest, is the better way.

Incidentally, I've come across a way to format either a internal HD or
USB/Firewire external hard drive in FAT32 in *any* capacity and from
*within* the XP environment. If you, or anyone, is interested in this
approach, please so indicate and I'll provide the details.
Anna
 
A

Al Dykes

Steve wrote...


Steve:
I most certainly agree with you. It's the way I would (and usually do) do it
that way. I just thought in this instance this OP might have a problem with
this approach. So I continued with the thread that recommended using XP's
Disk Management utility. But using a Win9x/Me Startup Disk or DOS boot
floppy, as you suggest, is the better way.

Incidentally, I've come across a way to format either a internal HD or
USB/Firewire external hard drive in FAT32 in *any* capacity and from
*within* the XP environment. If you, or anyone, is interested in this
approach, please so indicate and I'll provide the details.
Anna


From w/98 you will see the NTFS disk as "unknown" partition type. Use
FDISK to delete the partition and then make a new one, then format it.
 
S

Steve N.

Anna said:
Steve wrote...




Steve:
I most certainly agree with you. It's the way I would (and usually do) do it
that way. I just thought in this instance this OP might have a problem with
this approach. So I continued with the thread that recommended using XP's
Disk Management utility. But using a Win9x/Me Startup Disk or DOS boot
floppy, as you suggest, is the better way.

Incidentally, I've come across a way to format either a internal HD or
USB/Firewire external hard drive in FAT32 in *any* capacity and from
*within* the XP environment. If you, or anyone, is interested in this
approach, please so indicate and I'll provide the details.
Anna

Yes, please post the details.

Steve
 
S

Steve N.

Al said:
Steve wrote...



Steve:
I most certainly agree with you. It's the way I would (and usually do) do it
that way. I just thought in this instance this OP might have a problem with
this approach. So I continued with the thread that recommended using XP's
Disk Management utility. But using a Win9x/Me Startup Disk or DOS boot
floppy, as you suggest, is the better way.

Incidentally, I've come across a way to format either a internal HD or
USB/Firewire external hard drive in FAT32 in *any* capacity and from
*within* the XP environment. If you, or anyone, is interested in this
approach, please so indicate and I'll provide the details.
Anna



From w/98 you will see the NTFS disk as "unknown" partition type. Use
FDISK to delete the partition and then make a new one, then format it.
[/QUOTE]

Yes with Win95 and perhaps with the first release Win98 (not sure), but
Win98se fdisk does display it as NTFS.

Steve
 
S

Steve N.

Anna said:
Steve wrote...




Steve:
I most certainly agree with you. It's the way I would (and usually do) do it
that way. I just thought in this instance this OP might have a problem with
this approach. So I continued with the thread that recommended using XP's
Disk Management utility. But using a Win9x/Me Startup Disk or DOS boot
floppy, as you suggest, is the better way.

Forgot to add: Understood and very good advice, Anna.

Steve
 
A

Anna

(snip irrelevant portions...)


Steve N. said:
Yes, please post the details.

Steve


Steve (and others who may be interested in this approach)...

As most of us know, the XP operating system cannot partition/format a hard
drive in FAT32 greater than 32 GB. One can use the FDISK/FORMAT commands on
a DOS bootable floppy disk (such as a Win9x/Me Startup Disk) to
partition/format an internal hard drive of virtually any size in FAT32.
However, since the FDISK command will not "see" a USB/Firewire external hard
drive, that drive cannot be partitioned/formatted in FAT32 using the
FDISK/FORMAT commands. While a USB EHD *can* be formatted FAT32 using XP's
Disk Management utility, the 32 GB limitation will still apply. To be sure,
should the hard drive that's contained in a USB external enclosure be
removable (it's not in a sealed unit or warranty issues are not involved),
it could be removed and installed (temporarily) as an internal drive and
then formatted FAT32 using the DOS bootable floppy disk (or DOS bootable
CD), and then reinstalled in its USB enclosure.



One way to overcome this barrier is to use a Linux-developed program called
mkdosfs.exe developed by Jens-Uwe Mager (http://www.mager.org/mkdosfs/).
(This program was brought to my attention a few months ago by a poster to
this newsgroup). Refer to that site for complete details on the background
of this program and its utilization. In addition to the usefulness of this
program in formatting a USB EHD of any capacity in FAT32, the program can
also can be similarly used to format an internal HD of any capacity in
FAT32.



You can download the mkdosfs.zip file from Mr. Mager's website and extract
the mkdosfs.exe program file. The great advantage of this program is that it
works from *within* the XP environment. NOTE THIS PROGRAM IS *NOT* A
CONVERSION PROGRAM IN THE SENSE THAT IT WILL CONVERT A NTFS PARTITION TO A
FAT32 PARTITION WHILE RETAINING ALL THE DATA. RATHER IT IS DESIGNED TO
FORMAT THE PARTITION, SO ALL DATA WILL BE LOST FOLLOWING THE FORMATTING.



The program is very easy to use.

1.. Install the mkdosfs.exe file (it's only 68 KB) in your C:\ root
directory.
2.. Ensure that the drive to be formatted FAT32 is not presently being
accessed at the time you're undertaking the formatting.
3.. Using Start > Run > cmd, get to a C:\ prompt.
4.. Invoke the command "mkdosfs -F 32 x:" (no quotes) where x: is the
drive to be formatted.
(note the spacing within the command (mkdosfs(SPACE)-F(SPACE)32(SPACE)x: and
capitalize the "F", as shown).
MAKE ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN YOUR DRIVE LETTER REFLECTS THE DRIVE TO BE
FORMATTED! YOU WILL NOT RECEIVE ANY CONFIRMATION PROMPT AFTER INVOKING THE
COMMAND! ALL DATA ON THE FORMATTED PARTITION WILL BE LOST!

5.. Press Enter after typing the command.
6.. The formatting of your designated drive in FAT32 will take place. Two
lines of text will be displayed:
"mkdosfs 2.8 (28 Feb 2001)

Win32 port by Jens-Uwe Mager <[email protected]>"

followed by the C:\ prompt after the drive has been formatted.



One additional note concerning use of this program.

Let's assume you have a 160 GB USB EHD that you want to format with three
FAT32 partitions of 40 GB, 40 GB, and 80 GB. Remember that the mkdosfs
program is a formatting device; it is not designed to create partitions. So
in this example you would first use XP's Disk Management utility to
*temporarily* create the three partitions in NTFS, after which you would
simply use the mkdosfs program to overwrite the three NTFS partitions with
FAT32 ones.

Anna
 
S

Steve N.

Anna said:
(snip irrelevant portions...)









Steve (and others who may be interested in this approach)...

As most of us know, the XP operating system cannot partition/format a hard
drive in FAT32 greater than 32 GB. One can use the FDISK/FORMAT commands on
a DOS bootable floppy disk (such as a Win9x/Me Startup Disk) to
partition/format an internal hard drive of virtually any size in FAT32.
However, since the FDISK command will not "see" a USB/Firewire external hard
drive, that drive cannot be partitioned/formatted in FAT32 using the
FDISK/FORMAT commands. While a USB EHD *can* be formatted FAT32 using XP's
Disk Management utility, the 32 GB limitation will still apply. To be sure,
should the hard drive that's contained in a USB external enclosure be
removable (it's not in a sealed unit or warranty issues are not involved),
it could be removed and installed (temporarily) as an internal drive and
then formatted FAT32 using the DOS bootable floppy disk (or DOS bootable
CD), and then reinstalled in its USB enclosure.



One way to overcome this barrier is to use a Linux-developed program called
mkdosfs.exe developed by Jens-Uwe Mager (http://www.mager.org/mkdosfs/).
(This program was brought to my attention a few months ago by a poster to
this newsgroup). Refer to that site for complete details on the background
of this program and its utilization. In addition to the usefulness of this
program in formatting a USB EHD of any capacity in FAT32, the program can
also can be similarly used to format an internal HD of any capacity in
FAT32.



You can download the mkdosfs.zip file from Mr. Mager's website and extract
the mkdosfs.exe program file. The great advantage of this program is that it
works from *within* the XP environment. NOTE THIS PROGRAM IS *NOT* A
CONVERSION PROGRAM IN THE SENSE THAT IT WILL CONVERT A NTFS PARTITION TO A
FAT32 PARTITION WHILE RETAINING ALL THE DATA. RATHER IT IS DESIGNED TO
FORMAT THE PARTITION, SO ALL DATA WILL BE LOST FOLLOWING THE FORMATTING.



The program is very easy to use.

1.. Install the mkdosfs.exe file (it's only 68 KB) in your C:\ root
directory.
2.. Ensure that the drive to be formatted FAT32 is not presently being
accessed at the time you're undertaking the formatting.
3.. Using Start > Run > cmd, get to a C:\ prompt.
4.. Invoke the command "mkdosfs -F 32 x:" (no quotes) where x: is the
drive to be formatted.
(note the spacing within the command (mkdosfs(SPACE)-F(SPACE)32(SPACE)x: and
capitalize the "F", as shown).
MAKE ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN YOUR DRIVE LETTER REFLECTS THE DRIVE TO BE
FORMATTED! YOU WILL NOT RECEIVE ANY CONFIRMATION PROMPT AFTER INVOKING THE
COMMAND! ALL DATA ON THE FORMATTED PARTITION WILL BE LOST!

5.. Press Enter after typing the command.
6.. The formatting of your designated drive in FAT32 will take place. Two
lines of text will be displayed:
"mkdosfs 2.8 (28 Feb 2001)

Win32 port by Jens-Uwe Mager <[email protected]>"

followed by the C:\ prompt after the drive has been formatted.



One additional note concerning use of this program.

Let's assume you have a 160 GB USB EHD that you want to format with three
FAT32 partitions of 40 GB, 40 GB, and 80 GB. Remember that the mkdosfs
program is a formatting device; it is not designed to create partitions. So
in this example you would first use XP's Disk Management utility to
*temporarily* create the three partitions in NTFS, after which you would
simply use the mkdosfs program to overwrite the three NTFS partitions with
FAT32 ones.

Anna

Good info, thanks Anna.

Steve
 
G

GTT

Thanks Anna, Actually I typed the reply before al the responces were
there and forgot to send it. I then went about other things and before
signing off I noticed and sent it later in the day.

I actually solved the problem by going into PartitionMagic and
creating a new large partition in Fat32 ,because I had seen it ask
whether to make it in Fat32 NTFS among others. I did this then noticed
the convert box and converted the small left over partition to Fat32
then Merged the 2. Whew, what a waste of time. if only PM would set
there Help file up to cover this. I found it is in there but you can't
get to it by typing convert or Fat32 in the index.

Just another learning experience.

I wasn't even able to use a boot disk to perform the format because my
friend who installed the drive screwed something up and my floppy
doesn't read, and the hard drive and floppy stays on all the time.. I
think I will take it to someone who knows what they are doing. First I
will try to see if there is a loose connection. Interesting thing is
that when I go to device manager it says my floppy is working but when
I put in a floppy it isn't recognised.

Appreciate all the help given.
 
S

Steve N.

GTT said:
Thanks Anna, Actually I typed the reply before al the responces were
there and forgot to send it. I then went about other things and before
signing off I noticed and sent it later in the day.

I actually solved the problem by going into PartitionMagic and
creating a new large partition in Fat32 ,because I had seen it ask
whether to make it in Fat32 NTFS among others. I did this then noticed
the convert box and converted the small left over partition to Fat32
then Merged the 2. Whew, what a waste of time. if only PM would set
there Help file up to cover this. I found it is in there but you can't
get to it by typing convert or Fat32 in the index.

Just another learning experience.

I wasn't even able to use a boot disk to perform the format because my
friend who installed the drive screwed something up and my floppy
doesn't read, and the hard drive and floppy stays on all the time.. I
think I will take it to someone who knows what they are doing. First I
will try to see if there is a loose connection. Interesting thing is
that when I go to device manager it says my floppy is working but when
I put in a floppy it isn't recognised.

If you mean the LED on the floppy drive is on all the time then it's
probably because the ribbon cable is on upside-down on the back of the
floppy drive, which would also explain why it doesn't work. Common mistake.

Steve
 

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