Repost.

J

John Corliss

A long time ago, I warned that those who seek to make a profit by
disguising non-freeware as freeware would come into this group and
promote that kind of garbage. They would also attempt to dilute the
definition of freeware to mean something that would serve their purposes.
I now repost (edited) a previous message I sent a while back as a
wakeup call to the group and as an expression of *my* opinion. You are
free to disagree, but I will not answer replies to this post or any
email sent to me regarding it.

***************************************
Freeware is very clearly defined in my mind as being fully featured
software that was originally intended to be free to use, no strings
attached. What are strings? Any requirement on you the user's part,
that are not related to the actual functioning of the software but
which must be done in order to use the software. This doesn't mean
that there aren't types of non-freeware that shouldn't be recommended
as solutions in this group, it's just that common sense should tell
you which that is. Barring any common sense, I color coded (my
apologies to the color blind) the page at:

http://www.ccountry.net/~jcorliss/F.A.Q./Page3.html

to indicate the results of various votes that were held, extensive
discussion and my perception of the overall group's sentiments in this
regard. Still:

Adware is not freeware.
Betaware is not freeware.
Careware is not freeware (although sometimes discussed here, but there
isn't a lot of it)
CDware is not freeware (unless it is freeware available on the
internet.)
Commercial software is not freeware.
Crippleware is not freeware.
Demoware is not freeware.
Donationware is not freeware (although sometimes discussed here)
"Free to download" is may or may not be freeware.
Fonts are not freeware, they are data files.
Free services are not freeware, although the software required to use
such services may or may not be freeware.
Liteware is not freeware (although sometimes discussed here)
Nagware is not freeware.
Orphanware is only freeware if the author specifically says that it is
when he/she drops support of the software.
Pirated software is not freeware.
Postcardware is not freeware (although sometimes discussed here)
Porno sites are not freeware.
Shareware is not freeware.
Spyware is not freeware.
Text and other data files are not freeware.
Time limited software is not freeware.
Trialware is not freeware.
Trojans are not freeware.
Viruses and virus authoring software are not freeware.
Warez is not freeware.

If a program is "sort of" any of these; even if you wouldn't call it
"exactly" one of these other types of software, then it definitely
ISN'T freeware.

Here's a "little" prediction that will let you in on why I am so
vociferous in my protestations:

**************************
Some day, your software BE IT COMMERCIAL or ANY OTHER VARIETY, will
be as overly saturated as U.S. commercial broadcast television is
currently with advertisements. Your time will be wasted wading through
or simply being forced to endure, endless and worthless static and
animated messages that squander your life force. You won't be able to
type a document into a word processor without wasting portions of your
life viewing commercials about products which are of absolutely NO
interest to you. Much in the way a man is currently subjected to
women's hygiene and cosmetic products during the evening news hour or
a woman has to watch beer commercials if she's into sports.
This is not just a possibility, it is in fact what the future
holds for us. It's one reason why there's such a big push to put all
software online; so that the makers of such software can control it
with immediacy; so that they will be able to alter the commercials
that will be contained in the software as well as monitor our behavior
while online. Bill Gates and Microsoft want a future where you WILL be
online whenever you use your computer, and you *won't* be able to
hide. Period.
We are all subject to the whims of those in the world who can't
control their own greed and such people will never go away. In fact,
as our population increases uncontrollably towards our own massive
extinction in the not too distant future, the ratio of those who
employ unethical methods to survive to those who don't will only
increase. We are all victims. As we usurp the carrying capacity of
other species, we will increasingly begin to prey upon ourselves until
actual government sanctioned cannibalism is a reality ("Soylent Green"
*will* eventually happen.)
You buy a video movie and the first 10 minutes of it are spent
watching "previews", or commercials for other movies. Soon, there will
be one commercial break in the middle of the movie, then there will be
two. Those breaks will grow longer and then there will be three, etc.
This also, is not speculation; it is inevitable.
Software is NO DIFFERENT. You are sitting in front of a monitor,
just like a television., and your undivided attention is being given
to it. According to the thinking of the advertising community, this
opportunity MUST be exploited until you are repulsed by the act of
surfing the internet or running software. Sooner or later, the
villains of this world will insidiously infest and cram commercial
content into everything you view. In fact they have already begun to
do so, and the speed and thoroughness at which they will perform this
villainy will increase at a logarithmic rate.
******************************

Sounds pretty far fetched? Just wait. It's already happening. I
continually get email messages from friends
and relatives with little advertisements at the bottom of the message.
Microsoft continually plugs their services and other software from
*within their commercial software!* Adware has reared its ugly
head and is being promoted by many in this group as being true
freeware. This, among other things, is what I dread, and am fighting
tooth and claw. I also dread:

* the eventual future where Microsoft controls who can write software
that works with their operating system.
* a future where Microsoft has effectively and completely taken over
the software market.
* a future where your activities are monitored all the time as the
natural outcome of "Orwellian creep."

We are all adherents of the third law of thermodynamics, i.e. "any
system which uses energy will devote a portion of that energy to
degrading the ability of the system to use energy. Ultimately, the
system will be unable to use energy and will fail."
We humans and our society are a system which uses energy. Entropy
(called Shiva the Destroyer by the Hindus), is soundly at work in this
newsgroup when I see people attempting to water down the meaning of
the term "freeware" due to laziness, a resentment of "being told what
to do" or so as to profit monetarily.
Perhaps it's inevitable that this newsgroup should someday be
consumed by spammers, trolls and discussions of software that are off
topic. I would like to see that day put off as long as possible, but
concurrent with the posting of this message I see a rapidly
approaching end to the usefulness of this group.

--
Regards from John Corliss
alt.comp.freeware F.A.Q.:
http://www.ccountry.net/~jcorliss/F.A.Q./FrameSet1.html
Note that I can't see any of Andy Mabbett's troll posts
because I have him killfiled.
 
A

Andy Mabbett

John Corliss said:
A long time ago, I warned that those who seek to make a profit by
disguising non-freeware as freeware would come into this group and
promote that kind of garbage.

....and despite your doom-mongering, you have no evidence whatsoever that
that has, is, or will happen(ing).

[...]
You are free to disagree, but I will not answer replies to this post or
any email sent to me regarding it.

Fingers still in ears, head still in sand.
 
K

Keenan P.

usenet200309 said:
...and despite your doom-mongering, you have no evidence whatsoever that
that has, is, or will happen(ing).

Andy,
I disagree with you completely on this. It is happening right here as I
type. With this current swen problem confronting everyone, I have been
forced to install MailWasher so I can delete mail from my server so I do
not have to download it.
I run multiple monitors on this box and keep my mail client open on one
- I now have to keep MailWasaher open instead to cut swen off at the
pass! Meanwhile, I have to look at the programmer's scrolling applet
encouraging me to buy the software package. This is exactly what John is
talking about!
Best,
POKO
 
A

Andy Mabbett

I disagree with you completely on this. It is happening right here as I
type. With this current swen problem confronting everyone, I have been
forced to install MailWasher so I can delete mail from my server so I
do not have to download it. I run multiple monitors on this box and
keep my mail client open on one - I now have to keep MailWasaher open
instead to cut swen off at the pass! Meanwhile, I have to look at the
programmer's scrolling applet encouraging me to buy the software
package. This is exactly what John is
talking about!


Of course it is not; he is talking about:

those who seek to make a profit by disguising non-freeware as
freeware would come into this group and promote that kind of
garbage.
 
D

Derald Martin

I can't say that I disagree, even with the twisted futuristic
commercialistic scenario. Rollerball and Robocop are in the wings and
were inevitable by the end of WWII. Why do you reckon, though, he used
so damn' many words to say, "entropy"?
 
K

Keenan P.

usenet200309 said:
Of course it is not; he is talking about:

those who seek to make a profit by disguising non-freeware as
freeware would come into this group and promote that kind of
garbage.
The example given is exactly the method that you are talking about, or
should I say,'the beginning of a new spam approach' such as John
predicts.
Best,
POKO
 
I

imabrowneye

...and despite your doom-mongering, you have no evidence whatsoever that
that has, is, or will happen(ing).

[...]

Fingers still in ears, head still in sand.

Why do we only ever see a post from you after John posts. It must be a very
sad life perusing the newsgroups hoping that John will post and then you
can jump in and troll away.

well congratulations.......

You have now joined the elite group on usenet.........

The group that lives in my Plonk file

Goodbye and have a nice life Andy.

JB
 
A

Andy Mabbett

Keenan P. said:
The example given is exactly the method that you are talking about, or
should I say,'the beginning of a new spam approach' such as John
predicts.

It is not.
 
A

Andy Mabbett

In message <[email protected]>,
imabrowneye said:
Why do we only ever see a post from you after John posts.

Because that's all you're looking for?
It must be a very sad life perusing the newsgroups hoping that John
will post and then you can jump in and troll away.

Indeed that would be a sad life. But that's also a straw man; and
irrelevant.

I note that you don't actually have any thing substantive to say, to
counter the point I made.
well congratulations.......

You have now joined the elite group on usenet.........

The group that lives in my Plonk file

I'm honoured. Your loss.
Goodbye and have a nice life Andy.

Cheerio.
 
J

John Corliss

Derald said:
I can't say that I disagree, even with the twisted futuristic
commercialistic scenario. Rollerball and Robocop are in the wings and
were inevitable by the end of WWII. Why do you reckon, though, he used
so damn' many words to say, "entropy"?

Heh, just for those who aren't familiar with the concept.

--
Regards from John Corliss
alt.comp.freeware F.A.Q.:
http://www.ccountry.net/~jcorliss/F.A.Q./FrameSet1.html
Note that I can't see any of Andy Mabbett's troll posts
because I have him killfiled.
 

Ask a Question

Want to reply to this thread or ask your own question?

You'll need to choose a username for the site, which only take a couple of moments. After that, you can post your question and our members will help you out.

Ask a Question

Top