Repetitive Updating Definitions 5729

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Guest

-----Original Message-----
I just installed the new version 1.0.614 and updated
definitions to 5729. Now each time that I run definitions
update it keeps reinstalling 5729.
Previously when this happened I could uninstall and
reinstall to solve this problem, but I have uninstalled
and reinstalled twice and it keeps updating the 5729
definitions.
Anyone know of a fix?

This is a well known problem. The easiest fix is to
download the updated definitions manually and place them in
your MSAS folder. Do not use the program to update, that
is broken. Instead get them at:

http://download.spynet.com/ASDefinitions/gcDeterminationData.gcd
http://download.spynet.com/ASDefinitions/gcThreatAuditScanData.gcd
http://download.spynet.com/ASDefinitions/gcThreatAuditThreatData.gcd

Save these files in your MSAS directory overwriting the
older definitions.

Note: These files do not need to be unzipped as was the
case with the earlier direct download I posted.
 
P

plun

http://download.spynet.com/ASDefinitions/gcDeterminationData.gcd
http://download.spynet.com/ASDefinitions/gcThreatAuditScanData.gcd
http://download.spynet.com/ASDefinitions/gcThreatAuditThreatData.gcd

Save these files in your MSAS directory overwriting the
older definitions.

Note: These files do not need to be unzipped as was the
case with the earlier direct download I posted.

Great, uncompressed files................ ;)

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But what the heck is MS doing ?????

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I have a handful reports from another Forum and all users
with 1.0.614 have this problem,
and different ISPs .

And this is really degrading security and can be really
dangerous if the "bad guys"
wants to do something for example this:
hXXp://download.badguy.com/ASDefinitions/gcDeterminationData.gcd
hXXp://download.badguy.com/ASDefinitions/gcThreatAuditScanData.gcd
hXXp://download.badguy.com/ASDefinitions/gcThreatAuditThreatData.gcd
 
C

ColTom2

Hi:

I did the three manual installs that you referenced and
now everything is back to normal when I run Definitions
Update. It has stopped the repeatedly installing the 5729
update.

Looks as if MS would correct this problem that has been
around for so long.

I appreciate your assistance and recommendation.
 
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Jupiter Jones [MVP]

That is why I would never recommend such a fix from a 3rd party.
People can get used to it, not just for Microsoft products, but also for
others such as anti virus and firewalls.

If the correct source for a fix does not have the fix available, there are
really only 2 secure options:
1. Wait for the legitimate fix.
2. Find another product.
A fix from a 3rd party for many products such as security products is
unacceptable.
 
B

Bill Sanderson

However, in this case, these are Microsoft files from a Microsoft source. I
don't know what processes the product uses to vet the files, but I hope they
are sufficient!

(I agree with both you and Plun, but I'm gonna recommend these URL's for
this specific fix at the moment.)
 
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plun

Jupiter Jones [MVP] explained :
That is why I would never recommend such a fix from a 3rd party.
People can get used to it, not just for Microsoft products, but also for
others such as anti virus and firewalls.

If the correct source for a fix does not have the fix available, there are
really only 2 secure options:
1. Wait for the legitimate fix.
2. Find another product.
A fix from a 3rd party for many products such as security products is
unacceptable.

Well, what are you talking about Jupiter ???
Fix from a 3rd party product ?

This is a workaround for a MS product and this "beta" with
probably more then 20 million users deserve better from MS.
A really big "Beta"........ :blush:Þ

As MVP you cannot always stand up and be a knight for holy MS,
we put a lot of money within MS products and we, all users
should have better information from MS about this challenge.

MS cannot isolate themselves within Fort Redmond and whisteling
"Singing in the rain.........."

IMHO
 
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Jupiter Jones [MVP]

As Bill says they are Microsoft files from a Microsoft source since
Microsoft owns spynet.com.
I missed the connection with SpyNet so they are not 3rd party as I stated.

It should still be clear what I am talking about.
I am not just referring only to Microsoft products as I made clear:
"not just for Microsoft products, but also for others such as anti virus and
firewalls."
Did you miss that?

In this case this is a Microsoft workaround for a Microsoft product.
But if the workaround had come from other than Microsoft, it would be
potentially dangerous since there is no source outside of Microsoft
authorized to distribute Microsoft products.

When similar situations have come up with anti virus and other software
related to security, I have said the same thing, get the fix only from the
source.
It is not a good idea to get patches, updates etc from 3rd party sources
since the 3rd party is not the expert.
Normally the source does not even authorize the 3rd party to distribute.
So what you can have is patches, updates etc out of control of the source
and often have malware built in.
I would be very hesitant to use and more so to recommend a 3rd party
workaround for any security product, whether it be Microsoft, AVG, Symantec
etc.

There were many sources for Service Pack 1 and 2 for Windows XP.
Some were found to be deliberately corrupted by the unauthorized
distributor.
So the "service" some thought was provided was really a way to distribute
malware.
That is only one legitimate source to get Microsoft stuff , Microsoft.
Get Symantec stuff only from Symantec.
Get AVG stuff only from AVG etc
Etc.

I am not "always stand up and be a knight for holy MS" as you suggest.
I am standing up for the integrity of the computer system that relies on the
user maintaining the integrity of their security software.
That gets nearly impossible if people attempt to get patches, updates etc
from an unreliable source.

Your comment below is not really relevant since I did not suggest any such
thing.
"MS cannot isolate themselves within Fort Redmond..."
 
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plun

It happens that Jupiter Jones [MVP] formulated :

Hi Jupiter
As Bill says they are Microsoft files from a Microsoft source since Microsoft
owns spynet.com.
I missed the connection with SpyNet so they are not 3rd party as I stated.
Ok


It should still be clear what I am talking about.
I am not just referring only to Microsoft products as I made clear:
"not just for Microsoft products, but also for others such as anti virus and
firewalls."
Did you miss that?

Well this was about definitions and 3rd party products are really
needed
now for protecting our PCs, MS SP2 firewall is too weak, and antivirus
protection is not available from MS.

In this case this is a Microsoft workaround for a Microsoft product.
But if the workaround had come from other than Microsoft, it would be
potentially dangerous since there is no source outside of Microsoft
authorized to distribute Microsoft products.

Yes, this bug is really dangerous and to direct download them with
no MD5/Hash signature is totally out of bounds.

Hopfully MS update lear to update definition kb.s before they release
them !

When similar situations have come up with anti virus and other software
related to security, I have said the same thing, get the fix only from the
source. It is not a good idea to get patches, updates etc from 3rd party
sources since the 3rd party is not the expert.
Normally the source does not even authorize the 3rd party to distribute.
So what you can have is patches, updates etc out of control of the source and
often have malware built in.
I would be very hesitant to use and more so to recommend a 3rd party
workaround for any security product, whether it be Microsoft, AVG, Symantec
etc.

Correct, security products must maintain high standards for all
details.

There were many sources for Service Pack 1 and 2 for Windows XP.
Some were found to be deliberately corrupted by the unauthorized distributor.
So the "service" some thought was provided was really a way to distribute
malware. That is only one legitimate source to get Microsoft stuff ,
Microsoft. Get Symantec stuff only from Symantec.
Get AVG stuff only from AVG etc
Etc.

Well, about SP1 - SP2 this is wrong, MS have "Control behavior" that is
nearly out of control nowadays, they can distribute SP2 within more
channels as
IDG magazines.

And for sure its important to go to source.
I am not "always stand up and be a knight for holy MS" as you suggest.
I am standing up for the integrity of the computer system that relies on the
user maintaining the integrity of their security software.
That gets nearly impossible if people attempt to get patches, updates etc
from an unreliable source.

Your comment below is not really relevant since I did not suggest any such
thing. "MS cannot isolate themselves within Fort Redmond..."

Well they are, this "Beta", I dont call it a "Beta" is a "life saver"
for IE,
nothing else until IE7 and this program works.

The important issue is to maintain high standards for key issues as

Information,
-we have a MS FAQ, dated January 6 ! :'(
-new versions and whats new
-a working NG GUI.
- Advertisments on MS Frontpage about MSAS -Scheduling which is not
working !
("Use your daily planner/reminder and start MSAS manual, blockhead !
will be my next answer" )

Distribution,
- Everything up and working, auto updates rolls out.
- New defs availalable and distributed to all download servers
-Updated kb about definitions before rollout !


This "Beta" now probably has 20 million users and thousands of newbies
downloads it
every day so I believe we all deserve better from MS. I cant understand
MS
why they dont do this better, is it shame for this situation or what is
it ????

Most important is information and updated FAQs within MSAS homepage.

IMHO
 
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Jupiter Jones [MVP]

Plun;
I think you misunderstood one point.
I did not mean not to use 3rd party products such as a firewall or anti
virus.
But once you choose to use another firewall such as Zone Alarm, you should
get all fixes directly from Zone Alarm.
At that point, anything not from Zone Alarm I was referring as a 3rd party.
Fixes for ZA products from other sources can be faulty or dangerous.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org
 
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Steve Dodson [MSFT]

By the way, we are on top of this issue and are looking for a resolution
very shortly. Welcome to 614 Beta :)

--
-steve

Steve Dodson [MSFT]
MCSE, CISSP
PSS Security
http://blogs.technet.com/stevedod
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plun

Hi

Of course, I never goes to anything else
then homepages for different software.
Except Download.com and Majorgeeks
which I trusth.

And it is dangerous with this situation with MSAS
Microsoft/Spynet , what is Spynet users think ?

download.spynet.com, strange place 8-o


--
plun



Jupiter Jones [MVP] used his keyboard to write :
 
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Bill Sanderson

I think this is a valid point, but it is also probably something that cannot
be changed in the context of continuing to provide contractually obligated
support to the original Giant customers and licensees--i.e. Sunbelt.
 
C

ColTom2

Hi:

As soon as new defintions came out (5731) I had the
same problem again and once again had to do the three
manual installs to prevent recycling.

Gets to sorta be aggravating after awhile doesn't it....
 

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