A
Alias
Pegasus said:
I am not promoting anything. I am merely giving sharing my experience
and feel no need to prove anything to anyone. Take it or leave it. If
you feel this need, you prove it or disprove it.
I am not promoting anything. I am merely giving sharing my experience
and feel no need to prove anything to anyone. Take it or leave it. If
you feel this need, you prove it or disprove it.
A
Alias
Mike said:
I haven't changed anything I've said and stand by all statements. I have
done it. Many times. You have never done it so all you have are insults
and a sneering techier than thou attitude, typical of those who feel
they need to post under the MVP badge.
M
Mike Hall - MVP
It has nothing to do with MVP. I have held the same views for many years.
Perhaps you would take it better from me if I used my old IBM status?
Perhaps you would take it better from me if I used my old IBM status?
Alias said:
A
Alias
Mike said:
Oh, so you've always behaved in this manner, eh?
--
Alias
To email me, remove shoes
G
Gerry
Alias
Do you also always behaved in this manner, eh?
--
Hope this helps.
Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Do you also always behaved in this manner, eh?
--
Hope this helps.
Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
M
Mike Hall - MVP
And changing the subject appears to be a specialty of yours when you are
losing.
losing.
Alias said:
A
Alias
Mike said:
No loss here. I use System Suite. You're the ones losing out because you
don't.
A
Alias
Gerry said:
Your top post nukes the rest of the post. Please learn how to post on
Usenet. To what "manner" are you referring?
G
Gerry
Alias
So much so that you need these diversions to keep you in mischief!
--
Hope this helps.
Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
So much so that you need these diversions to keep you in mischief!
--
Hope this helps.
Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
G
Gerry
Mike
That's because Evasion is his ( or) her middle name!
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Regards.
Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
That's because Evasion is his ( or) her middle name!
--
Regards.
Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
K
kermittfroggy
I'm new to newsgroup postings.. but Alias is right... some times
registry cleaners do speed up system performance. In certain
situations where programs were calling .dll files that are no longer
in the system, windows will attempt to search whatever directories are
set as "system directories" until it finds the .dll file. If it
cannot find the files its looking for it will time out and move on. I
personally use regvacz and it speeds up windows quite nicely, I
especially like to run it after a system has been infected by a virus
or spyware. It can make a huge difference especially if a system has
been in use for years without any maintenance. I've been using regvacz
for many years now without a single problem with any pc I've used it
on. Of course I back up the registry just in case because its easy
enough just to boot up in recovery mode and import the backed up
registry file. Believe who ever you want, but I can actually prove
that it does speed it up if you need the proof. I have made a log of
the entries regvacz has removed and the boot / program start times
from before and after regvacz was run.
______
Ralph Cross
Benchmark Electronics
Network Support Specialist
registry cleaners do speed up system performance. In certain
situations where programs were calling .dll files that are no longer
in the system, windows will attempt to search whatever directories are
set as "system directories" until it finds the .dll file. If it
cannot find the files its looking for it will time out and move on. I
personally use regvacz and it speeds up windows quite nicely, I
especially like to run it after a system has been infected by a virus
or spyware. It can make a huge difference especially if a system has
been in use for years without any maintenance. I've been using regvacz
for many years now without a single problem with any pc I've used it
on. Of course I back up the registry just in case because its easy
enough just to boot up in recovery mode and import the backed up
registry file. Believe who ever you want, but I can actually prove
that it does speed it up if you need the proof. I have made a log of
the entries regvacz has removed and the boot / program start times
from before and after regvacz was run.
______
Ralph Cross
Benchmark Electronics
Network Support Specialist
R
Ron H
Mike said:
Agreed. MVP is nothing but a title given to someone who has nothing
better to do in life except to work for nothing for Uncle Bill and his
Associates. Some of them also troll around here insulting people who
give real solutions based on practical experiences. There is no
evidence to suggest that MVP have any practical experience except to
spend whole day browsing the porn sites. a typical MVP is one who is an
octogenarian rejected by old peoples homes due to his/her attitude of
"knowing it all".
R
Ron H
Agreed. MVP is nothing but a title given to someone who has nothing
better to do in life except to work for nothing for Uncle Bill and his
Associates. Some of them also troll around here insulting people who
give real solutions based on practical experiences. There is no
evidence to suggest that MVP have any practical experience except to
spend whole day browsing the p o r n sites. A typical MVP is one who is
an octogenarian rejected by old peoples homes due to his/her attitude of
"knowing it all".
better to do in life except to work for nothing for Uncle Bill and his
Associates. Some of them also troll around here insulting people who
give real solutions based on practical experiences. There is no
evidence to suggest that MVP have any practical experience except to
spend whole day browsing the p o r n sites. A typical MVP is one who is
an octogenarian rejected by old peoples homes due to his/her attitude of
"knowing it all".
T
Tom [Pepper] Willett
Typical attitude of one who is jealous.
|
| Agreed. MVP is nothing but a title given to someone who has nothing
| better to do in life except to work for nothing for Uncle Bill and his
| Associates. Some of them also troll around here insulting people who
| give real solutions based on practical experiences. There is no
| evidence to suggest that MVP have any practical experience except to
| spend whole day browsing the p o r n sites. A typical MVP is one who is
| an octogenarian rejected by old peoples homes due to his/her attitude of
| "knowing it all".
|
|
|
| Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
| >
| > It has nothing to do with MVP. I have held the same views for many
years.
| > Perhaps you would take it better from me if I used my old IBM status?
| >
|
|
|
| Agreed. MVP is nothing but a title given to someone who has nothing
| better to do in life except to work for nothing for Uncle Bill and his
| Associates. Some of them also troll around here insulting people who
| give real solutions based on practical experiences. There is no
| evidence to suggest that MVP have any practical experience except to
| spend whole day browsing the p o r n sites. A typical MVP is one who is
| an octogenarian rejected by old peoples homes due to his/her attitude of
| "knowing it all".
|
|
|
| Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
| >
| > It has nothing to do with MVP. I have held the same views for many
years.
| > Perhaps you would take it better from me if I used my old IBM status?
| >
|
|
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antioch
A typical MVP is one whoRon H said:
is.................................................
an octogenarian rejected by old peoples homes due to his/her attitude of
"knowing it all".
Prat - god help others if you reach that age.
Antioch
B
Bruce Chambers
Not in my expoerience. Have you any independent laboratory reports
that you can cite to support this opinion.
True, but that has noithing whatsoever to do with the registry. That's
because the path astatement is wrong or the files have been placed in or
moved to the wrong locations.
One person's anecdotal stories aren't particularly convincing. I've
crossed the street without looking several times and haven't been hit by
a car; that means I can always cross the street without looking? Can
you produce verifiable scientific evidence to support your position? I
have to tell you that no one else has *ever* been able to do so,
starting with Win95.
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Help us help you:
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ~Benjamin Franklin
Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. ~Bertrand Russell
The philosopher has never killed any priests, whereas the priest has
killed a great many philosophers.
~ Denis Diderot
C
Curt Christianson
Touché
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HTH,
Curt
Windows Support Center
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| It has nothing to do with MVP. I have held the same views for many years.
| Perhaps you would take it better from me if I used my old IBM status?
|
|
| | > Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
| >> Now you are making it up as you go along..
| >
| > I haven't changed anything I've said and stand by all statements. I have
| > done it. Many times. You have never done it so all you have are insults
| > and a sneering techier than thou attitude, typical of those who feel
they
| > need to post under the MVP badge.
| >>
| >>
| >> | >>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
| >>>> The defrag would have impacted performance more than orphaned
registry
| >>>> entries.
| >>>
| >>> It booted up quicker and had better performance BEFORE the defrag,
right
| >>> after cleaning up the registry. After the defrag, it got even better.
| >>>
| >>>>
| >>>>
| >>>> | >>>>> Gerry wrote:
| >>>>>> Alias
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>> I cannot see where you did? You might try a little harder instead
of
| >>>>>> being evasive.
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>> The only way you can demonstrate your point is to test performance
| >>>>>> after
| >>>>>> each stage of housekeeping. Unless a registry entry causes a
timeout
| >>>>>> any
| >>>>>> superfluous entry will have so little affect than you would not
| >>>>>> notice
| >>>>>> any difference in performance. You mention removing 1,000 registry
| >>>>>> entries but how many of those entries would have been accessed
when
| >>>>>> you
| >>>>>> restart the computer? Very few I suspect. If they are accessed to
| >>>>>> provide a false start-up the best solution is to remove them
manually
| >>>>>> using Autoruns, having first confirmed what affect they have by
| >>>>>> disabling rather than removing. The processor handles so many
| >>>>>> transactions continuously that a few extra do not make a
significant
| >>>>>> difference. Event Viewer Reports generate errors / warnings if
there
| >>>>>> is
| >>>>>> a problem and it is logical to follow up from there.
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>> Based on what you say you have been doing I do not see that you
can
| >>>>>> distinguish between the effect on performance of removing
unnecessary
| >>>>>> registry entries and defragmenting 4,000 files. Defragmenting in
the
| >>>>>> situation you describe will have a noticeable impact. Your approach
| >>>>>> may
| >>>>>> not pose a significant risk in your hands but if the risk converts
to
| >>>>>> reality you can have a major problem which may be very difficult to
| >>>>>> recover from.
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>> --
| >>>>>> Regards.
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>> Gerry
| >>>>>> ~~~~
| >>>>>> FCA
| >>>>>> Stourport, England
| >>>>>> Enquire, plan and execute
| >>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>> Alias wrote:
| >>>>>>> Gerry wrote:
| >>>>>>>> Alias
| >>>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>> You chose not to respond to the specific points I made earlier,
| >>>>>>>> electing only to answer one of a number. Was that because it did
| >>>>>>>> not
| >>>>>>>> suit your cause?
| >>>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>>
| >>>>>>> That's because I already addressed them. You just don't accept
what
| >>>>>>> I
| >>>>>>> say. I can't prove it to you unless you come here and watch it in
| >>>>>>> action because anything I say that happened, you won't believe.
| >>>>>>>
| >>>>>>> Unfortunately, you can't do it yourself because System Suite 5 is
no
| >>>>>>> longer available and 8, the new version, isn't as good due to the
| >>>>>>> fact
| >>>>>>> that someone bought out VCOM and changed the program considerably.
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>
| >>>>> Is there an echo in here? I removed a slew of errant registry
entries
| >>>>> and the performance was increased and the boot time decreased.
Chances
| >>>>> are you don't install and uninstall as many programs as the user of
| >>>>> the computer I worked on did. I doubt you let your hard drive
| >>>>> accumulate over 4000 fragmented files either.
| >>>>>
| >>>>> I am also 100% positive that you've never used System Suite 5 and I
| >>>>> seriously doubt any of the others who sneer at registry fixers have
| >>>>> either. If what you and the others say is true, I would have fuçked
up
| >>>>> 100s of computers and none, I repeat none, had anything but positive
| >>>>> results from using System Suite 5. I have a friend who turned me on
to
| >>>>> SS5 and he's a repair tech and has used it on thousands of computers
| >>>>> with no ill effects, only positive results. So if thousands of
| >>>>> instances with 100% success rates isn't good enough for you, find
| >>>>> someone with SS5 and install and uninstall a couple of hundred
| >>>>> programs, run it and do the tests the way you think they should be
| >>>>> done. Either that or STFU.
| >>>>>
| >>>>> --
| >>>>> Alias
| >>>>> To email me, remove shoes
| >>>>
| >>>
| >>>
| >>> --
| >>> Alias
| >>> To email me, remove shoes
| >>
| >
| >
| > --
| > Alias
| > To email me, remove shoes
|
--
HTH,
Curt
Windows Support Center
www.aumha.org
Practically Nerded,...
http://dundats.mvps.org/Index.htm
| It has nothing to do with MVP. I have held the same views for many years.
| Perhaps you would take it better from me if I used my old IBM status?
|
|
| | > Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
| >> Now you are making it up as you go along..
| >
| > I haven't changed anything I've said and stand by all statements. I have
| > done it. Many times. You have never done it so all you have are insults
| > and a sneering techier than thou attitude, typical of those who feel
they
| > need to post under the MVP badge.
| >>
| >>
| >> | >>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
| >>>> The defrag would have impacted performance more than orphaned
registry
| >>>> entries.
| >>>
| >>> It booted up quicker and had better performance BEFORE the defrag,
right
| >>> after cleaning up the registry. After the defrag, it got even better.
| >>>
| >>>>
| >>>>
| >>>> | >>>>> Gerry wrote:
| >>>>>> Alias
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>> I cannot see where you did? You might try a little harder instead
of
| >>>>>> being evasive.
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>> The only way you can demonstrate your point is to test performance
| >>>>>> after
| >>>>>> each stage of housekeeping. Unless a registry entry causes a
timeout
| >>>>>> any
| >>>>>> superfluous entry will have so little affect than you would not
| >>>>>> notice
| >>>>>> any difference in performance. You mention removing 1,000 registry
| >>>>>> entries but how many of those entries would have been accessed
when
| >>>>>> you
| >>>>>> restart the computer? Very few I suspect. If they are accessed to
| >>>>>> provide a false start-up the best solution is to remove them
manually
| >>>>>> using Autoruns, having first confirmed what affect they have by
| >>>>>> disabling rather than removing. The processor handles so many
| >>>>>> transactions continuously that a few extra do not make a
significant
| >>>>>> difference. Event Viewer Reports generate errors / warnings if
there
| >>>>>> is
| >>>>>> a problem and it is logical to follow up from there.
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>> Based on what you say you have been doing I do not see that you
can
| >>>>>> distinguish between the effect on performance of removing
unnecessary
| >>>>>> registry entries and defragmenting 4,000 files. Defragmenting in
the
| >>>>>> situation you describe will have a noticeable impact. Your approach
| >>>>>> may
| >>>>>> not pose a significant risk in your hands but if the risk converts
to
| >>>>>> reality you can have a major problem which may be very difficult to
| >>>>>> recover from.
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>> --
| >>>>>> Regards.
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>> Gerry
| >>>>>> ~~~~
| >>>>>> FCA
| >>>>>> Stourport, England
| >>>>>> Enquire, plan and execute
| >>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>> Alias wrote:
| >>>>>>> Gerry wrote:
| >>>>>>>> Alias
| >>>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>> You chose not to respond to the specific points I made earlier,
| >>>>>>>> electing only to answer one of a number. Was that because it did
| >>>>>>>> not
| >>>>>>>> suit your cause?
| >>>>>>>>
| >>>>>>>>
| >>>>>>> That's because I already addressed them. You just don't accept
what
| >>>>>>> I
| >>>>>>> say. I can't prove it to you unless you come here and watch it in
| >>>>>>> action because anything I say that happened, you won't believe.
| >>>>>>>
| >>>>>>> Unfortunately, you can't do it yourself because System Suite 5 is
no
| >>>>>>> longer available and 8, the new version, isn't as good due to the
| >>>>>>> fact
| >>>>>>> that someone bought out VCOM and changed the program considerably.
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>>
| >>>>>
| >>>>> Is there an echo in here? I removed a slew of errant registry
entries
| >>>>> and the performance was increased and the boot time decreased.
Chances
| >>>>> are you don't install and uninstall as many programs as the user of
| >>>>> the computer I worked on did. I doubt you let your hard drive
| >>>>> accumulate over 4000 fragmented files either.
| >>>>>
| >>>>> I am also 100% positive that you've never used System Suite 5 and I
| >>>>> seriously doubt any of the others who sneer at registry fixers have
| >>>>> either. If what you and the others say is true, I would have fuçked
up
| >>>>> 100s of computers and none, I repeat none, had anything but positive
| >>>>> results from using System Suite 5. I have a friend who turned me on
to
| >>>>> SS5 and he's a repair tech and has used it on thousands of computers
| >>>>> with no ill effects, only positive results. So if thousands of
| >>>>> instances with 100% success rates isn't good enough for you, find
| >>>>> someone with SS5 and install and uninstall a couple of hundred
| >>>>> programs, run it and do the tests the way you think they should be
| >>>>> done. Either that or STFU.
| >>>>>
| >>>>> --
| >>>>> Alias
| >>>>> To email me, remove shoes
| >>>>
| >>>
| >>>
| >>> --
| >>> Alias
| >>> To email me, remove shoes
| >>
| >
| >
| > --
| > Alias
| > To email me, remove shoes
|
C
Curt Christianson
Many of the persons conducting the tests in the following forum know their
stuff, but not *necessarily* more than a non-MVP.
Discussion of Registry "Cleaners"
http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099
I would not have to keep quoting said thread if a few naive individuals
would at least read it (requires comprehension too).
The testing methods are repeatable, which by itself adds credence to their
claims.
There are many MVP's in that forum who could quite frankly make others
appear embecilic with their arguments at best.
I'm not an MVP, I don't like reg cleaners either.
But if ONE scientific test could once and for all prove the overall
worthwhile of a Reg, cleaner--I would be the first to scream
"congratulations".
--
HTH,
Curt
Windows Support Center
www.aumha.org
Practically Nerded,...
http://dundats.mvps.org/Index.htm
| Discussion of Registry "Cleaners"
| http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099
|
| --
| HTH,
| Curt
|
| Windows Support Center
| www.aumha.org
| Practically Nerded,...
| http://dundats.mvps.org/Index.htm
|
| || what if the registry I want to delete is from a program that I deleted
| using
|| the Add/Remove option??
||
|| "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote:
||
|| >
|| > || > > hello i need help to solve this problem in windows live onecare
scaner
| was
|| > > been found 2 invalid registry ,and 1 i use at long time oneclik that
| one
|| > > found 166 invalid registry ,i download uniblue registryboost and we
| found
|| > > 491
|| > > invalid registry ,this all about becouse my computer crash ,
programes
|| > > stop
|| > > midle of tasks,is any thing i can change for improve my computer
|| > > performance
|| > > ,many thanks.
|| >
|| > I suspect that your computer's unstable performance is caused
|| > by you using a registry "cleaner". Do not use them. At best they
|| > do not deliver any benefit; at worst they cripple your machine.
|| > In your case you probably have to reload Windows and re-install
|| > all applications. Remember to save your important files and your
|| > EMail to an independent medium first.
|| >
|| >
|| >
|
|
stuff, but not *necessarily* more than a non-MVP.
Discussion of Registry "Cleaners"
http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099
I would not have to keep quoting said thread if a few naive individuals
would at least read it (requires comprehension too).
The testing methods are repeatable, which by itself adds credence to their
claims.
There are many MVP's in that forum who could quite frankly make others
appear embecilic with their arguments at best.
I'm not an MVP, I don't like reg cleaners either.
But if ONE scientific test could once and for all prove the overall
worthwhile of a Reg, cleaner--I would be the first to scream
"congratulations".
--
HTH,
Curt
Windows Support Center
www.aumha.org
Practically Nerded,...
http://dundats.mvps.org/Index.htm
| Discussion of Registry "Cleaners"
| http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099
|
| --
| HTH,
| Curt
|
| Windows Support Center
| www.aumha.org
| Practically Nerded,...
| http://dundats.mvps.org/Index.htm
|
| || what if the registry I want to delete is from a program that I deleted
| using
|| the Add/Remove option??
||
|| "Pegasus (MVP)" wrote:
||
|| >
|| > || > > hello i need help to solve this problem in windows live onecare
scaner
| was
|| > > been found 2 invalid registry ,and 1 i use at long time oneclik that
| one
|| > > found 166 invalid registry ,i download uniblue registryboost and we
| found
|| > > 491
|| > > invalid registry ,this all about becouse my computer crash ,
programes
|| > > stop
|| > > midle of tasks,is any thing i can change for improve my computer
|| > > performance
|| > > ,many thanks.
|| >
|| > I suspect that your computer's unstable performance is caused
|| > by you using a registry "cleaner". Do not use them. At best they
|| > do not deliver any benefit; at worst they cripple your machine.
|| > In your case you probably have to reload Windows and re-install
|| > all applications. Remember to save your important files and your
|| > EMail to an independent medium first.
|| >
|| >
|| >
|
|
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antioch
Reply intertwined/contextualised -
Keep quoting and quoting and quoting - so will I now you have provided that
valuable link. In any case, what makes you think those 'naive individuals'
would be able to read let alone comprehend that viewtopic.
CLIPPED
Neither am I on both counts - but I will always add my own rather pathetic
twopennyworth, pointing out the dangers of RC's, to posters.
The pro-RC's really annoy me when they recommend these cleaners, out of
hand, without any consideration as top the expertise of the poster, or the
possible downside to using them.
In 2002 I had not heard of newsgroups/discussion groups and had owned a
computer for less than a year, when I used a well known RC(R.M.), on the
recommendation of a Computer Magazine - it knocked out the computer.
So never again.
I MIGHT wave a flag with you
Rgds
Antioch
Curt Christianson said:
Keep quoting and quoting and quoting - so will I now you have provided that
valuable link. In any case, what makes you think those 'naive individuals'
would be able to read let alone comprehend that viewtopic.
CLIPPED
Neither am I on both counts - but I will always add my own rather pathetic
twopennyworth, pointing out the dangers of RC's, to posters.
The pro-RC's really annoy me when they recommend these cleaners, out of
hand, without any consideration as top the expertise of the poster, or the
possible downside to using them.
In 2002 I had not heard of newsgroups/discussion groups and had owned a
computer for less than a year, when I used a well known RC(R.M.), on the
recommendation of a Computer Magazine - it knocked out the computer.
So never again.
I MIGHT wave a flag with you
Rgds
Antioch