Refill supplier for CL-iPG-i inks?

[measekite]

These "fly by nites" have been around for years. What did you learn
about businesses that stay around for more than 7 years at Stanford?

Image-Specialists, Sensient, OCP, Lyson, Inktec, all are respectable
companies that have been around for years. Pelikan has been around
for decades starting off with pens IIRC.

Lyson does not sell in carts for all printers. Sensinent does not sell in
small quantities to the public.

I'll grant you that MIS doesn't actually "disclose" what they are
selling in their 2oz, 4oz, or 8oz bottles. But if you want "branded"

So you do not know what you are buying.

And if you buy a second time you do not know if it is the same as what you
had on a previous order.

ink, you can buy "Image-Specialists" in 16 oz bottles, and they are
listed as the official North American distributor.

But if I want name brands, I can buy Media Street or Lyson at a camera
shop or the website. The others, you can find places that will
disclose what they are selling.

Go buy Lyson for a Canon.

Canon does not properly disclose what they are selling. I just looked
at an old CLI-8 box and they didn't include any patent numbers. I

You are nuts. All Canon inks come in Canon boxes and the actual labels on
the carts say Canon. You are either rationalizing or lying.

 

[measekite]

Sounds like my situation almost to a "T"

I will check out "alotofthings" and MIS.
Thanks as well to everyone else who replied, I have learned from your posts.

Call them up and ask them to tell you the mfg of what you are buying. Ask
them why this information is not prominently displayed on their website
next to each offering.

 

[IntergalacticExpandingPanda]

Call them up and ask them to tell you the mfg of what you are buying.  Ask
them why this information is not prominently displayed on their website
next to each offering.

Why this information is not prominently displayed on their website
next to the offering?

Alotofthings
"Ink by Sensient Imaging Technologies, Formulabs Division, distributed
by TrueColor Imaging. Ink "

MIS http://www.inksupply.com/imagespec.cfm
"MIS Associates, Inc. is the North American distributor of Image
Specialists Inks. "

You have to ask why continues to lie about the subject.

 

[IntergalacticExpandingPanda]

Lyson does not sell in carts for all printers.  Sensinent does not sellin
small quantities to the public.

I'm sure Lyson doesn't sell in carts for "all" printers. You can't
expect them too. Apparently they do sell a quad black for my 1280 if
I wanted it.

Sensient is a manufacturer. I doubt they sell small quantities to the
public. But as indicated you can buy small quantities from
alotofthings.

So you do not know what you are buying.

Yes, I do know what I'm buying. It's exactly the same stuff as I've
bought 16 ounces of. It's MIS ink from image-specialists. If I want
Image-Specialists branded bottles, I can buy them 16 oz at a time.
Given it took about 3 years to use 16 oz, there is little point for me
to do this.

And if you buy a second time you do not know if it is the same as what you
had on a previous order.

Yes I do, I can look at it. Do a swab of some ink that settled on the
bottom of the bottle, check for color. Put it under the scanner.

Go buy Lyson for a Canon.

I still have one that uses the bci-6 cartridges so I could.

You are nuts.  All Canon inks come in Canon boxes and the actual labelson
the carts say Canon.  You are either rationalizing or lying.

No, you're rationalizing. You claim you shouldn't by aftermarket ink
because it's not disclosed who makes it. Well, OEM doesn't disclose
and they have even ditched the patent numbers on the bottom of their
boxes. CLI8, I'll grant you that's new and likely patented. PGI5?
There is no reason to believe they even changed this ink in the past
20 years. I have no clue if Canon makes it, if Canon formulated it,
if it had a patent, or if it did if it continues to enjoy patent
protection. I've said many times text hasn't changed on canon in over
10 years. It might be over 20 years for all I know.

 

[IntergalacticExpandingPanda]

False.  You ONLY save money when you buy Kellogs Corn Flakes at market A
for less than market B is charging.

Why should I buy Kellogg's Corn Flakes? I'm pretty happy with Malt-o-
Meal corn flakes.

As you pointed out you only save money so long as you don't give up
features, in this case, taste. I happen to like Malt-o-Meal corn
flakes. IIRC they come in a bag with a Ziplock seal. They don't fit
on a shelf as well as a box, but the bag seals better.

If you eat Corn Flakes anyway, you save money buying Malt-o-meal.

You did not get the same result.  It fades faster.

It fades faster sitting on a shell, in a case, not exposed to light?

Factory produced disc labels will fade quickly if exposed to direct
sunlight. SORRY

Do you always drink this much.

You're the one who said KMP ink is better than OEM.

 

[measekite]

Why should I buy Kellogg's Corn Flakes? I'm pretty happy with Malt-o-
Meal corn flakes.

It is very obvious that you will accept stuff of lower quality so you can
spend less money and fool your brain into thinking you are saving.

You would buy a Yugo instead of a BMW and tell yourself you saved 40 Grand
since they both get you to the movies. And if the second run B movie was
$5.00 cheaper you would see that and tell yourself you saved $5.00.

As you pointed out you only save money so long as you don't give up
features, in this case, taste. I happen to like Malt-o-Meal corn
flakes. IIRC they come in a bag with a Ziplock seal. They don't fit on
a shelf as well as a box, but the bag seals better.

If you eat Corn Flakes anyway, you save money buying Malt-o-meal.

Bullshit!~ You just spent less money.

You can eat a hot dog instead of a steak and then go to the bathroom and
then say you got the same result and saved money.

 

[measekite]

I'm sure Lyson doesn't sell in carts for "all" printers. You can't
expect them too. Apparently they do sell a quad black for my 1280 if
I wanted it.

Sensient is a manufacturer. I doubt they sell small quantities to the
public. But as indicated you can buy small quantities from
alotofthings.

When specifically asked they refused to disclose the mfg. Furthermore
they do not prominently display a proper description of who the mfg and
what they sell next to the offering. And they refused to disclose that in
a phone conversation.

Yes, I do know what I'm buying. It's exactly the same stuff as I've
bought 16 ounces of. It's MIS ink from image-specialists. If I want

Since they do not disclose you never know if they changes their suppliers.
You do not know.

Image-Specialists branded bottles, I can buy them 16 oz at a time.
Given
it took about 3 years to use 16 oz, there is little point for me to do
this.


Yes I do, I can look at it. Do a swab of some ink that settled on the
bottom of the bottle, check for color. Put it under the scanner.

Oh Yeah a Jerk from CSI. You are either a laugh or a joke or both.

 

[IntergalacticExpandingPanda]

When specifically asked they refused to disclose the mfg.  Furthermore
they do not prominently display a proper description of who the mfg and
what they sell next to the offering.  And they refused to disclose thatin
a phone conversation.

This is alotofthings. I've never done business with them.

If you talked to them at all, I doubt you have since you are a known
liar, but if you did it would have been 5 years ago.

http://www.alotofthings.com/viartshop/products.php?category_id=2
"Canon compatible bulk ink sets and individual colors."
"All contain Sensient Imaging Technologies, Formulabs Division Inks"

I call that disclosure. I call you a liar.

Here's MIS (inksupply.com)
http://www.inksupply.com/imagespec.cfm
"MIS Associates, Inc. is the North American distributor of Image
Specialists Inks."

Here's the same information on image-specialists's website
http://www.image-specialists.com/about_us_global_dis.aspx
North American distributor = MIS Associates, Inc

I call that disclosure. I call you a liar.

Since they do not disclose you never know if they changes their suppliers..
 You do not know.

Ok, prove to me that the official North American distributor of
Image_Specialists inks has, with in the past 5 years, changed their
supplier of bulk ink.

Oh Yeah a Jerk from CSI.  You are either a laugh or a joke or both.

Well, I have observed on the Epson that there were differences between
the colors of ink on the 1520 whether I bought Made in USA, Japan, or
Mexico. OEM wasn't always consistent, but I always ran OEM in that
printer.

I've bought MIS's product. I have evaluated it. My scanner may not be
calibrated but it would pick up the differences between two inks that
are not "quite" the same color. Out of 4 bottles, the color has not
changed. I must conclude they have NOT changed their supplier.

If you have EVIDENCE to the contrary, feel free to share.

I noticed you snipped my speech about their pigmented black ink.
There is no reason to think they have changed their ink in the past 10
years. It might not even be their ink, it might not have a patent. I
don't know, they won't disclose it.

But what have we learned?

1) Measekite continues to assert that alotofthings doesn't disclose
what they sell. They have been disclosing this information for the
past 5 years. He's a liar.

2) Measekite asserts that MIS, the official distributor of Image-
Specialists inks, have at some point changed their supplier. He has
no evidence to back up this claim.

 

[IntergalacticExpandingPanda]

It is very obvious that you will accept stuff of lower quality so you can
spend less money and fool your brain into thinking you are saving.

That's the thing. I actually prefer the Malt-O-Meal over Kellogg's.
Just because something costs less doesn't mean it's lesser quality.
The BIG issue is the box. Malt-O-Meal comes in extra large ziplock
bag.

You would buy a Yugo instead of a BMW and tell yourself you saved 40 Grand

Good point, though the Yugo was a crap car when it came out. If you
need a car, you would save money buying a Toyota Camey over a 40 grand
BMW. If you want the BMW, by all means spend more, but the Camery
will perform the same basic function getting you from point A to point
B.

since they both get you to the movies.  And if the second run B movie was
$5.00 cheaper you would see that and tell yourself you saved $5.00.  

You're a nut.

Bullshit!~  You just spent less money.

Spending less money results in substantial savings.
Malt-o-meal tastes better
Malt-o-meal is cheaper
Result = Savings
As in, I was going to buy Corn Flakes anyway. Given the choice
between Kellogg's and Malt-O-Meal, I'd pick Malt-O-Meal. I like Malt-
O-Meal. It happens to be cheaper.

You can eat a hot dog instead of a steak and then go to the bathroom and
then say you got the same result and saved money.

A hotdog is not a steak. It's not even close.

We're comparing ink vs ink
Corn Flakes vs Corn Flakes

I don't care, I don't like steak, not in this country anyway. I like
chicken, and fish.

I'm glad you can admit a non-OEM can make a superior product. I've
never tried KMP ink so I can't say.

 

[measekite]

That's the thing. I actually prefer the Malt-O-Meal over Kellogg's.
Just because something costs less doesn't mean it's lesser quality.
The BIG issue is the box. Malt-O-Meal comes in extra large ziplock
bag.


Good point, though the Yugo was a crap car when it came out. If you
need a car, you would save money buying a Toyota Camey over a 40 grand
BMW. If you want the BMW, by all means spend more, but the Camery
will perform the same basic function getting you from point A to point
B.

Hey numnuts. You saved nothing. You spent less. You got less. You
cannot compare a BMW with a Toyota.



Now lets take someone who buys a stripped Toyota Yaris for $12 grand
instead of a $52 grand BMW. According to your peanut mind he saved
$40,000. So where is his savings? In the bank? In the market? Most
likely he does not even have $25,000 to his name just like you. There is
a difference between spending less and saving money. If you save money
you have it. If you spent less you may or may not have it.

Everytime you make you claims you are sounding like frank.

 

[IntergalacticExpandingPanda]

Hey numnuts.  You saved nothing.  You spent less.  You got less.  You
cannot compare a BMW with a Toyota.  

Sure you can. They are both cars. Obviously someone who wants the
BMW isn't going to settle for a Toyota. But someone who just needs a
basic dependable car, Toyota is a good choice.

Now lets take someone who buys a stripped Toyota Yaris for $12 grand
instead of a $52 grand BMW.  According to your peanut mind he saved
$40,000.  

If one was going to buy the BMW, and got the Yaris, that person saved
a ton of money.

So where is his savings?  In the bank?  In the market?  

Odds are it's in the bank as the monthly payments are going to be far
less. Again, if you want the BMW, by all means get it. If you just
want a ****ing car get the Yaris.

Cars are not the best example since there is an emotional value to
ownership. I see little benefit to buying a BMW, I'm more than happy
with Toyota, and actually my last purchase was a Nissan. My Nissan
isn't a BMW, not by a long shot, but it's a car that gets me from
point A to Point B. I saved a good deal of money buying a Nissan.

I used 4 bottles of 4oz of MIS ink. I used it to label 5000 CDs as
well as various other projects. Had I not bought aftermarket ink, I
would have bought OEM, and buying OEM would be thousands more. This
savings, money I didn't spend on ink, went into savings, as well as a
spare printer.

Spending less for a product you were going to buy anyway, that costs
less, results in savings. If you need to print 2000 8.5x11 sheets at
10% coverage 4 color,

Most
likely he does not even have $25,000 to his name just like you.  There is
a difference between spending less and saving money.  If you save money
you have it.  If you spent less you may or may not have it.

What you do with your savings is up to you. You might go to Playa del
Carmon. I personally went to Cancun, Merida, and Playa del Carmon
(I'm not kidding).

Everytime you make you claims you are sounding like frank.

I thought you were Frank.

 

[IntergalacticExpandingPanda]

A rich man who just needs a basic dependable car would probably not buy a
Toyota.

It depends on the rich man. Really.

Luxury cars are more of a status symbol than anything else. You buy
these things either to impress other people, or because they offer
some comfort feature lesser models lack. Climate controls for
example, reduced noise level, heated seats.

There are good reasons to consider a luxury car. There are good
reasons to consider a performance car. But either one won't get you
from point a to point b much faster if at all, odds are they won't use
less fuel.

You are a nut case.  How do you know there will be monthly payments.
Maybe the guy just went to the BMW dealer and wrote a check.  I am sure
you cannot do that but some can.

Then buying the yaris would result in more money in the back, since
the guy wrote a check. It would be literally money in the bank.

 

[measekite]

It depends on the rich man. Really.

Luxury cars are more of a status symbol than anything else. You buy
these things either to impress other people, or because they offer
some comfort feature lesser models lack. Climate controls for
example, reduced noise level, heated seats.

Available on Honda Accord

There are good reasons to consider a luxury car. There are good
reasons to consider a performance car. But either one won't get you
from point a to point b much faster if at all, odds are they won't use
less fuel.

A car is just not to get from A to B. You can do that with a bus. Or a
bicycle. Or walk.

Then buying the yaris would result in more money in the back, since the
guy wrote a check. It would be literally money in the bank.

It is difficult to argue with someone who is not willing to reason.

 

[IntergalacticExpandingPanda]

A car is just not to get from A to B.  You can do that with a bus. Or a
bicycle.  Or walk.

A car's man function is to get someone from point A, or point B, on
demand.

There are obviously more reasons to buy a car, but that's it's major
function.

You want the BMW? You want to spend over $50k on a car? Feel free.
Personally I think it's foolish since depreciation is a bitch.

It is difficult to argue with someone who is not willing to reason.

You said it bub.
Spending less on a product you were going to buy anyway results in
savings. This savings is money in the bank if you have a bank
account. It's money in your pocket if have cash in hand.

I use ink. I can buy OEM, or I can buy aftermarket. With
aftermarket, I saved over a grand, which I spent on a modest
vacation.

 

[measekite]

A car's man function is to get someone from point A, or point B, on
demand.

And what is the car's woman function?

There are obviously more reasons to buy a car, but that's it's major
function.

You want the BMW? You want to spend over $50k on a car? Feel free.
Personally I think it's foolish since depreciation is a bitch.

Hey to Bill Gates buying a BMW is like you buying ketchup for your
hamburger.
Now you got it.

You said it bub.
Spending less on a product you were going to buy anyway results in
savings. This savings is money in the bank if you have a bank account.

I do not think you have a baNK Account

It's money in your pocket if have cash in hand.

Your life savings is in your pocket

I use ink. I can buy OEM, or I can buy aftermarket. With aftermarket,
I saved over a grand, which I spent on a modest vacation.

You spent less. Then you took a modest vacation

 

[justme]

bizco.com.au

Hey numnuts. You saved nothing. You spent less. You got less. You
cannot compare a BMW with a Toyota.



Now lets take someone who buys a stripped Toyota Yaris for $12 grand
instead of a $52 grand BMW. According to your peanut mind he saved
$40,000. So where is his savings? In the bank? In the market? Most
likely he does not even have $25,000 to his name just like you. There is
a difference between spending less and saving money. If you save money
you have it. If you spent less you may or may not have it.

Everytime you make you claims you are sounding like frank.

 

[PHX]

What happened to www.alotofthings.com ?
I am getting a server error. Are they gone?

"IntergalacticExpandingPanda" <[email protected]>
wrote in message

When specifically asked they refused to disclose the mfg. Furthermore
they do not prominently display a proper description of who the mfg and
what they sell next to the offering. And they refused to disclose that in
a phone conversation.

This is alotofthings. I've never done business with them.

If you talked to them at all, I doubt you have since you are a known
liar, but if you did it would have been 5 years ago.

http://www.alotofthings.com/viartshop/products.php?category_id=2
"Canon compatible bulk ink sets and individual colors."
"All contain Sensient Imaging Technologies, Formulabs Division Inks"

I call that disclosure. I call you a liar.

Here's MIS (inksupply.com)
http://www.inksupply.com/imagespec.cfm
"MIS Associates, Inc. is the North American distributor of Image
Specialists Inks."

Here's the same information on image-specialists's website
http://www.image-specialists.com/about_us_global_dis.aspx
North American distributor = MIS Associates, Inc

I call that disclosure. I call you a liar.

Since they do not disclose you never know if they changes their suppliers.
You do not know.

Ok, prove to me that the official North American distributor of
Image_Specialists inks has, with in the past 5 years, changed their
supplier of bulk ink.

Oh Yeah a Jerk from CSI. You are either a laugh or a joke or both.

Well, I have observed on the Epson that there were differences between
the colors of ink on the 1520 whether I bought Made in USA, Japan, or
Mexico. OEM wasn't always consistent, but I always ran OEM in that
printer.

I've bought MIS's product. I have evaluated it. My scanner may not be
calibrated but it would pick up the differences between two inks that
are not "quite" the same color. Out of 4 bottles, the color has not
changed. I must conclude they have NOT changed their supplier.

If you have EVIDENCE to the contrary, feel free to share.

I noticed you snipped my speech about their pigmented black ink.
There is no reason to think they have changed their ink in the past 10
years. It might not even be their ink, it might not have a patent. I
don't know, they won't disclose it.

But what have we learned?

1) Measekite continues to assert that alotofthings doesn't disclose
what they sell. They have been disclosing this information for the
past 5 years. He's a liar.

2) Measekite asserts that MIS, the official distributor of Image-
Specialists inks, have at some point changed their supplier. He has
no evidence to back up this claim.