Refill supplier for CL-iPG-i inks?


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PHX

Can anyone point me to a reputable supplier for a refill kit for a Canon
MP530, that uses the CLI/PGI cartridges?
I understand that I will need to buy a chip re-setter eventually, but I want
to find the best inks for this type of cartridge.
Thanks
 
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IntergalacticExpandingPanda

Can anyone point me to a reputable supplier for a refill kit for a Canon
MP530, that uses the CLI/PGI cartridges?
I understand that I will need to buy a chip re-setter eventually, but I want
to find the best inks for this type of cartridge.
Thanks
Keep in mind that I'm not aware of an archival solution for Canons.

http://www.inksupply.com/cankits.cfm#ip4200
http://www.inksupply.com/html/pdf/can_cli8_pgi5refill.pdf

I last bought their refill kit for the ip4000 which included virgin
cartridges. Those virgin cartridges to be fair took like 3 refills
before they gummed up. OEM cartridges enjoyed more refills. I'm
presently not aware of aftermarket cartridges that are as good as
OEM.

That being said, the old kit contained 5 syringes. These instructions
recommend you hammer the ball into the cartridge. As of late I've
been using a well used hot thumbtack with a bent tip to melt into the
ball, cool, and extract it. I then use #8 (I've upgraded from #6) to
plug the hole area.

If you want to spend extra, you can get branded image-specialist 16
ounce bottles.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Hobbicolors-Refill-Ink-Pack-5C-MP-12-oz-w-Pigment-Canon_W0QQitemZ250326505605QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPrinter_Accessories?hash=item250326505605&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72:1234|66:2|65:12|39:1|240:1318|301:1|293:1|294:50

Hobbicolor's kit is a little different. No tools are provided AFAIK.
The kit I bought IIRC only had one syringe. They include silicon
plugs which might work as well as a #8 nylon screw but I've not tested
them. Hobbicolor's color is pretty stellar.
 
M

measekite

Can anyone point me to a reputable supplier for a refill kit for a Canon
MP530, that uses the CLI/PGI cartridges?

There are none. The ink is under patent.
 
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IntergalacticExpandingPanda

You mean that you got screwed instead of the cartridge.
Nope. I'm trying to remember what a set of virgin cartridges cost me
for the ip4000, well actually an mp760. I would guess I spent $22.50,
or $4.50 each. That's what they would cost today in the kit from
inksupply.com, though that includes 5 syringes. I got three refills
each so $1.50 + the ink. At the time it was $2.50/ounce or 29.5735296
0.08c/ml

BCI-3e = $2.00 + $1.50 = $3.50
BCI-6= = $1.04 + $1.50 = $2.54 x 4 = $10.16
= 13.66/set

OEM was about $55 at the time.
$41.34 savings or 75%

Savings from the kit. $124.02

Retrofitting OEM cartridges are a better value.
 
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measekite

Nope. I'm trying to remember what a set of virgin cartridges cost me
for the ip4000, well actually an mp760. I would guess I spent $22.50,
or $4.50 each. That's what they would cost today in the kit from
inksupply.com, though that includes 5 syringes. I got three refills
each so $1.50 + the ink. At the time it was $2.50/ounce or 29.5735296
0.08c/ml

BCI-3e = $2.00 + $1.50 = $3.50
BCI-6= = $1.04 + $1.50 = $2.54 x 4 = $10.16
= 13.66/set

OEM was about $55 at the time.
$41.34 savings or 75%


There was no savings. Savings will occur when you go to Staples for a set
of Canon carts where the price may be $65.00 and then you buy it as
Costco for $50.00. Then you saved $15.00 since you got the same thing.
I do grant you spent less.
 
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IntergalacticExpandingPanda

There was no savings.  Savings will occur when you go to Staples for a set
of Canon carts where the price may be $65.00 and then you buy it as
Costco for $50.00.  Then you saved $15.00 since you got the same thing.
I do grant you spent less.
Spending less for the same or similar result IS SAVING. That's the
very definition of saving. If taking the bus to work costs less then
driving your car, then you would be saving money. Unfortunately If I
want to continue to keep insurance on my car, then the bus doesn't
represent a stellar value since the cost of fuel to from work is more
than the bus pass. If I want to keep a car insured, it's cheaper to
use the car.

My main application is disc printing. I've done well over 5000. I
could use
44 cartridges

OEM ink - $12/cartridge (Office Depot CLI-8 multipack)
Aftermarket ink - $1.08/13ml (MIS 4oz bottles)
SAVINGS = $10.92

Let's reverse it

OEM ink - $429 4x 4oz (about 33 cartridges)
Aftermarket $40 4x 4oz (MIS bulk bottles)
SAVINGS = $389/4OZ

I'm not including the black pigment ink as they are not used on
discs.

I've used 4 4 ounce bottles x 4 colors, and dipped into my 5ith.

OEM dye ink = $1638 (about 126 cartridges 31.5 each color)
OEM pigment = $270 (about 18 cartridges twin packs Office Depot)
----------
Subtotal= $1908
TAX= $168
----------
Total= $2076


MIS dye ink = $160 (4x 4oz bottles x 4 colors)
MIS pigment ink = $40 (4x 4oz bottles)
Shipping = $30 (there and abouts)
OEM CLI-8 pack = $102 (box set plus 2 extra)
OEM PGI-5BK = $48 (3 @ $16 each)
Tax= $13 (there and abouts)
#6 & #8 plugs = $2.00
Replacement head = $50 (swapped out after 15x5 cartridge changes)
Spare printer = $150
----------
Grand total $595
TOTAL SAVINGS = $1481

71% savings INCLUDING a replacement printer D00D.

It's true MIS isn't as archival as OEM Canon, but guess what Canon OEM
isn't very archival in the first place.
100 years in an album
30 years under glass
10 years gas fastness.

Canon isn't the "worst" but it's down there with Lexmark as far as
print longevity. For my main application, which is discs and labels,
this is simply NOT an issue. However for prints I want to keep around
for a while, I'm presently getting geared up with Mediastreet ink,
which is archival for about 100 years according to Wilhelm. OEM Epson
1280 ink isn't very archival either.
 
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measekite

Spending less for the same or similar result IS SAVING. That's the

Stop twisting. I do not dance. Spending less when it is like for like is
a savings not similar.

The IRS allows a tax free exchange on like for like. You cannot exchange
income property use for commerical purposes with income property use for
residential. It is not like for like.

You are a rationalizer.
 
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IntergalacticExpandingPanda

Stop twisting.  I do not dance.  Spending less when it is like for like is
a savings not similar.
The only person twisting here is you.

I used a lot of ink. If I bought OEM ink 126 CLI cartridges and 18
PGI5 cartilages, it would cost me $2076

I bought MIS ink. It cost me $600 for the same amount of output
including some cartridges to put the ink in, a replacement head, and a
replacement printer.

Given I would have printed about the same amount anyway, I saved
money.

It's the classic choice between two products. One offers a technical
advantage, in this case OEM Canon is more archival. But given my main
application, which is labeling CDs and making covers, for something
that's going to sit on a shelf, not be exposed to direct sunlight,
there is little to no benefit to OEM ink.

I saved money. Period.

For pigment ink, there is little to NO advantage to using OEM canon
ink. OEM does tend to hold up to a highlighter better, but I'm told
KMP ink from Germany does an even better job and is higher contrast.
Still MIS pigment black is MORE than adequate for my needs. There
are NO real archival tests for Canon's pigmented black ink.

The IRS allows a tax free exchange on like for like.  You cannot exchange
income property use for commerical purposes with income property use for
residential.  It is not like for like.
You're crazy. I'm talking about INK. OEM ink, aftermarket ink. OEM
ink costs 10x as much as aftermarket ink. They are both ink.
You are a rationalizer.
If you mean I'm using my reasoning skills to make an informed choice,
then sure. If I wanted something to be archival, I would and do buy
OEM ink. They have a side benefit of serving as an extra set of
cartridges for aftermarket ink, which do have a limited life. But
Canon OEM performance SUCKS, which is why I'm evaluating aftermarket
pigmented ink.
 
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LF

Can anyone point me to a reputable supplier for a refill kit for a Canon
MP530, that uses the CLI/PGI cartridges?
I understand that I will need to buy a chip re-setter eventually, but I want
to find the best inks for this type of cartridge.
Thanks
I've been using MIS ink, and Alotofthings.com ink for several years.
They both work for me. I mostly print mixed documents, with text,
illustrations, and small portraits. Sometimes I print phototgraphs.

I use the alotoftings.com instructions for refilling the original
cartridges. However, I use a hot glue gun to seal the refill hole in
the cartridge, rather than a ball, or some other strategy. I've got
about 4-5 refills per cartridge, so far.

I read somewhere that you can unclog Canon cartridges (not
printheads!!!) by pouring hot water thru them until the sponge is
white. May try it sometime. My friend, Google, probably has the
reference.

I refill about once a month, and catch the cartridges before they are
empty -- so mostly the cartridges are 1/2 to 3/4 empty before I
refill. I've heard letting the cartridges run dry creates problems.

I'm not a math genius, but I figure it save me money, and is bItetter
for the envrionment, compared with new cartridges. It's fun too, if
you like to tinker with things as I do.

Best,
Larry
 
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Jerry1111

IntergalacticExpandingPanda said:
The only person twisting here is you.

I used a lot of ink. If I bought OEM ink 126 CLI cartridges and 18
PGI5 cartilages, it would cost me $2076
Why bother? (I mean with measekite)?

Look at his post - he didn't even cut your calculation (yeah, using
newgroups demands a bit of computer literacy). After all he just made
your calculations why people should refill easier to find in Google ;-)
 
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IntergalacticExpandingPanda

Why bother? (I mean with measekite)?

Look at his post - he didn't even cut your calculation (yeah, using
newgroups demands a bit of computer literacy). After all he just made
your calculations why people should refill easier to find in Google ;-)
I bother mainly for the benefit of those bystanders who might actually
want accurate data.

I don't think everyone should refill. There are good reasons to use
OEM ink in many cases. But those interested in filling should have
accurate numbers, and it is cheaper to buy printers than OEM ink.

I did some number crunching here
http://igepanda.blogspot.com/2008/12/bulk-pigment-inks-my-main-printer-is.html

Bulk dye, non archival stuff, floats at about 7c/ml or so. Pigment,
about 20c/ml presuming buying 4oz at a time. OEM tends to be closer
to $1.00/ml, though the Canon PGI-5BK is 61c/ml, and MIS's solution is
about 7c/ml.
 
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measekite

The only person twisting here is you.

I used a lot of ink. If I bought OEM ink 126 CLI cartridges and 18
PGI5 cartilages, it would cost me $2076

I bought MIS ink. It cost me $600 for the same amount of output
including some cartridges to put the ink in, a replacement head, and a
replacement printer.

Given I would have printed about the same amount anyway, I saved
money.

No you are rationalizing. You spent less money by purchasing a different
product that was not the same. The fact that you accepted the
differences in the products in exchange for spending less money is your
decision but you did not save anything. You only save when you get the
same thing for less.

It's the classic choice between two products. One offers a technical
advantage, in this case OEM Canon is more archival. But given my main

So it is not the same.
application, which is labeling CDs and making covers, for something
that's going to sit on a shelf, not be exposed to direct sunlight, there
is little to no benefit to OEM ink.



If that is what you believe then you can spend less money.
I saved money. Period.
You spent less money. You saved nothing.
For pigment ink, there is little to NO advantage to using OEM canon ink.
OEM does tend to hold up to a highlighter better, but I'm told KMP ink
therefore it is better.
 
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measekite

I've been using MIS ink, and Alotofthings.com ink for several years.
They both work for me. I mostly print mixed documents, with text,
illustrations, and small portraits. Sometimes I print phototgraphs.

I use the alotoftings.com instructions for refilling the original
cartridges. However, I use a hot glue gun to seal the refill hole in
the cartridge, rather than a ball, or some other strategy. I've got
about 4-5 refills per cartridge, so far.

I read somewhere that you can unclog Canon cartridges (not
printheads!!!) by pouring hot water thru them until the sponge is
white. May try it sometime. My friend, Google, probably has the
reference.

I refill about once a month, and catch the cartridges before they are
empty -- so mostly the cartridges are 1/2 to 3/4 empty before I
refill. I've heard letting the cartridges run dry creates problems.

I'm not a math genius, but I figure it save me money, and is bItetter
for the envrionment, compared with new cartridges. It's fun too, if
you like to tinker with things as I do.

You saved nothing. You spent less and got less and you also had to deal
with fly by nites who will not properly disclose what they are selling.
 
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IntergalacticExpandingPanda

No you are rationalizing.  You spent less money by purchasing a different
product that was not the same.  The fact that you accepted the
differences in the products in exchange for spending less money is your
decision but you did not save anything.  You only save when you get the
same thing for less.
By your logic you own in inferior product. You bought a Canon which
very little gas fastness.

You save money when you make an intelligent purchase. You can buy
Kellogg;s Corn Flakes or Malt-o-meal corn flakes. If you eat corn
flakes you'd save money buying the Malt-o-meal variety. But if you
don't like the Malt-o-meal, buy Kellogs.
So it is not the same.
This is true, but some people can't tell the difference between the
two products. Kellogg's comes in a box and fits on a shelf better.
Malt-o-meal comes in a bag. IMHO Malt-o-meal tastes better. Even
their Cheerios taste better IMHO.
If that is what you believe then you can spend less money.
I'm more than happy to save money. There is no point spending extra
when there is no technical benefit. True OEM Canon is more archival
than MIS. It's more light fast, and it's more gas fast. It doesn't
make a hill of beans difference to me for a disc that spends most of
it's time in a case. It's a NON ISSUE.
You spent less money.  You saved nothing.
I got the same result for far less money. I saved money.
therefore it is better.
I've never used KMP ink, I'm more than happy with MIS ink. But if you
say it's better, I'd have no objection to you saying so. I'm told
it's more black and holds up to highlighters better.

But it's good to see you admit that aftermarket ink can be better than
OEM.
 
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IntergalacticExpandingPanda

You saved nothing.  You spent less and got less and you also had to deal
with fly by nites who will not properly disclose what they are selling.
These "fly by nites" have been around for years. What did you learn
about businesses that stay around for more than 7 years at Stanford?

Image-Specialists, Sensient, OCP, Lyson, Inktec, all are respectable
companies that have been around for years. Pelikan has been around
for decades starting off with pens IIRC.

I'll grant you that MIS doesn't actually "disclose" what they are
selling in their 2oz, 4oz, or 8oz bottles. But if you want "branded"
ink, you can buy "Image-Specialists" in 16 oz bottles, and they are
listed as the official North American distributor.

But if I want name brands, I can buy Media Street or Lyson at a camera
shop or the website. The others, you can find places that will
disclose what they are selling.

Canon does not properly disclose what they are selling. I just looked
at an old CLI-8 box and they didn't include any patent numbers. I
have my doubts whether their PGI5-BK is still under patent. They are
still using the same 30pl nozzles on their current generations of
printers, ml/page hasn't changed, it's about 20p/ml. However we know
Canon offers a semi-decent product, even if it's not very archival in
contrast to HP's or Epson's dye solutions.
 
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Jerry

"IntergalacticExpandingPanda" <intergalacticexpandingpanda@hotmail.com>
wrote in message
No you are rationalizing. You spent less money by purchasing a different
product that was not the same. The fact that you accepted the
differences in the products in exchange for spending less money is your
decision but you did not save anything. You only save when you get the
same thing for less.
By your logic you own in inferior product. You bought a Canon which
very little gas fastness.

You save money when you make an intelligent purchase. You can buy
Kellogg;s Corn Flakes or Malt-o-meal corn flakes. If you eat corn
flakes you'd save money buying the Malt-o-meal variety. But if you
don't like the Malt-o-meal, buy Kellogs.
So it is not the same.
This is true, but some people can't tell the difference between the
two products. Kellogg's comes in a box and fits on a shelf better.
Malt-o-meal comes in a bag. IMHO Malt-o-meal tastes better. Even
their Cheerios taste better IMHO.
********************************
When it comes to cereals I would have to take the side of the OEM brands.
There is no substitute that even comes close to the taste of Kellogg's Corn
Flakes, General Mills Cheerios and my all time favortie Kellogg's Frosted
Mini Wheats. I've tried all the look a likes but nothing beats the real
thing.
 
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Arthur Entlich

Its all those great GMOs that makes those name brands taste so good, not
to mention the amount of sugar(s) added. I have to admit, when it comes
to Cheerios (name brand, General Mills) there's nothing that comes close
to the flavor of TSP in food. It's usual use is to prepare walls for
repainting and to strip grease. It gives me such a good feeling to
know they now use it in foods like Cheerios as a source for phosphorus,
I believe. Probably keeps ones stomach walls ready for a paint job.


Art

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I invite you to enter the discussion at my blog:

http://e-trashtalk.spaces.live.com/
 
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PHX

Can anyone point me to a reputable supplier for a refill kit for a Canon
MP530, that uses the CLI/PGI cartridges?
I understand that I will need to buy a chip re-setter eventually, but I
want
to find the best inks for this type of cartridge.
Thanks
Sounds like my situation almost to a "T"

I will check out "alotofthings" and MIS.
Thanks as well to everyone else who replied, I have learned from your posts.
 
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measekite

By your logic you own in inferior product. You bought a Canon which
very little gas fastness.

You save money when you make an intelligent purchase. You can buy
Kellogg;s Corn Flakes or Malt-o-meal corn flakes. If you eat corn
flakes you'd save money buying the Malt-o-meal variety. But if you
don't like the Malt-o-meal, buy Kellogs.


False. You ONLY save money when you buy Kellogs Corn Flakes at market A
for less than market B is charging.



This is true, but some people can't tell the difference between the two
products. Kellogg's comes in a box and fits on a shelf better.
Malt-o-meal comes in a bag. IMHO Malt-o-meal tastes better. Even their
Cheerios taste better IMHO.


I'm more than happy to save money. There is no point spending extra
when there is no technical benefit. True OEM Canon is more archival
than MIS. It's more light fast, and it's more gas fast. It doesn't
make a hill of beans difference to me for a disc that spends most of
it's time in a case. It's a NON ISSUE.


I got the same result for far less money. I saved money.

You did not get the same result. It fades faster.
I've never used KMP ink, I'm more than happy with MIS ink. But if you
say it's better, I'd have no objection to you saying so. I'm told it's
more black and holds up to highlighters better.

But it's good to see you admit that aftermarket ink can be better than
OEM.
Do you always drink this much.
 

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