Recording Real Audio from the BBC website

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jmm1951

The BBC does not encourage you to convert Listen Again Real Audio files
into mp3 podcasts, but I have found that you can convert these
streaming audio files into mp3s that you can burn onto CD and use in
your car for only the cost of the CDs. This is very useful, especially
if you make long road trips in countries outside of the UK, like the
USA where good quality over-the-air radio is almost unknown. There is
an article here than explains how to do it (link below). I tried it and
it works very well and only takes a few minutes work to download 12
hours of programming onto a CD.

http://jmsunlinenet.blogspot.com/
 
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dansheen

The BBC does not encourage you to convert Listen Again Real Audio files
into mp3 podcasts, but I have found that you can convert these
streaming audio files into mp3s that you can burn onto CD and use in
your car for only the cost of the CDs. This is very useful, especially
if you make long road trips in countries outside of the UK, like the
USA where good quality over-the-air radio is almost unknown. There is
an article here than explains how to do it (link below). I tried it and
it works very well and only takes a few minutes work to download 12
hours of programming onto a CD.

http://jmsunlinenet.blogspot.com/
I think with firefox's media connectivity you don't need to go through
all that. Someone here posted a process that's simple and fewer steps
I've used several times.
 
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jmm1951

I use Firefox and am not aware of this, though would be interested to
see a link to these directions. As far as I know Firefox cannot
directly download from RTSP URLs, because the location of the BBC
files is hidden in a .ram extension text file that you have to open to
get the link. URL Snooper bypasses that step and once you have clicked
on the link to play the show you want to download, then you have only
five mouse clicks to make (no more than five seconds) before you can
start on the next file.
 
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Harvey Van Sickle

On 21 Feb 2006, wrote
The BBC does not encourage you to convert Listen Again Real Audio
files into mp3 podcasts, but I have found that you can convert
these streaming audio files into mp3s that you can burn onto CD
and use in your car for only the cost of the CDs. This is very
useful, especially if you make long road trips in countries
outside of the UK, like the USA where good quality over-the-air
radio is almost unknown. There is an article here than explains
how to do it (link below). I tried it and it works very well and
only takes a few minutes work to download 12 hours of programming
onto a CD.

http://jmsunlinenet.blogspot.com/

Good links; many thanks -- download works beautifully.

One query, though -- which program are you using to convert the Real
Audio files to mp3?
 
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Demetris

Harvey said:
Good links; many thanks -- download works beautifully.

One query, though -- which program are you using to convert the Real
Audio files to mp3?
MediaCoder 0.3.6: http://mediacoder.sourceforge.net/
Easy to use, with high-quality components, installs and uninstalls
cleanly. It wants to connect to SourceForge upon starting, to check for
updates (it is a new project, very actively developed). For .rm and .ra
to .mp3 it uses MPlayer and LAME (included). "Bitrate 7" gives 64kbps
..mp3 files, that is, almost 30 hours to a CD.

MPUI: http://mpui.sourceforge.net/
Useable GUI for MPlayer, to play Real Media files. No need for exra
codecs. Seeking is not possible for .rm files, but you can pause and
restart them.

Also, URL Snooper is not necessary to get the URLs. Download the .ram
files, open them in a text editor and paste in NetTransport the address
up to (and including) the .ra or .rm extension.

Greetings,
Demetris
 
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Harvey Van Sickle

Good links; many thanks -- download works beautifully.

One query, though -- which program are you using to convert the
Real Audio files to mp3?
MediaCoder 0.3.6: http://mediacoder.sourceforge.net/
Easy to use, with high-quality components, installs and uninstalls
cleanly. It wants to connect to SourceForge upon starting, to
check for updates (it is a new project, very actively developed).
For .rm and .ra to .mp3 it uses MPlayer and LAME (included).
"Bitrate 7" gives 64kbps .mp3 files, that is, almost 30 hours to a
CD.[/QUOTE]

I'll give that a go. I'm using the Jodix free RM to MP3 converter, but
by golly it's slow.

-snip-
Also, URL Snooper is not necessary to get the URLs. Download the
.ram files, open them in a text editor and paste in NetTransport
the address up to (and including) the .ra or .rm extension.

I've found that URL Snooper *is* necessary for the BBC "Listen Again"
streams: one can't simply "download the .ram files", as the streaming
URL is well and truly hidden -- I think that's the whole point of the
rtsp:// thing, isn't it? If you download the link and open it like you
say, you still won't find the .ra/.rm information.
 
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Adam Piggott

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On 21 Feb 2006, wrote

And hey - once enough people are hacking around with the BBC's audio
offerings against their terms they'll decide to, or be forced to, start
DRMing them so even fewer people can enjoy them!

Or they won't even offer them at all - won't that be an achievement!


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Harvey Van Sickle

On 28 Feb 2006, Adam Piggott wrote
And hey - once enough people are hacking around with the BBC's
audio offerings against their terms they'll decide to, or be
forced to, start DRMing them so even fewer people can enjoy them!

Or they won't even offer them at all - won't that be an
achievement!

A good point and a possible scenario -- but one which, I suspect,
hasn't factored in the wider threat that the BBC presents to content
control.

I think the more likely scenario -- given the Beeb's funding, remit,
and on-line track record -- is that they'll see the demand for
podcast-like downloads (rather than streams), and arrange to supply
that demand by providing downloadable links. (Suitably hedged; see
below.)

FWIW, if my business was focussed on controlling access to content,
I'd be a hell of a lot more worried about what the Beeb is planning
to do than I would about people who manage to turn the BBC streams
into podcasts.

Strange as it may seem, the the Beeb are pretty savvy -- and
technologically bolshie -- on this stuff: there's been a lot of
protest from the commercial sector on it. As well, they're *very*
aware of their funding base, and all the implications.

(For non-UK types who may not know the scale of these things, the BBC
is funded by a statutory requirement of every household with a
television capable of receiving broadcasts to purchase a licence. It
currently costs £120 (or so) per year, and this is what funds the BBC
-- income from overseas sales and such-like is gravy on top.)

This has led to interesting developments, like the whole "Listen
Again" phenomenon (which I don't think has been replicated on
anything like the same scale by other broadcasters -- not that I've
seen, anyway), and the on-going work to do the same for television.

An example of what they're trying was the live broadband feeds of the
Winter Olympics coverage: these were available on-line, but were
claimed to be available only to UK users. (I don't know how they
restricted it, but they clearly intended to do so.)

From what I've read of straws in the wind, the BBC is less concerned
with DRM, and more concerned with strengthening the means to identify
UK/non-UK users, so that a "free-to-licence-fee-but-charged-to-non-
licence-fee" model can be developed.

Understandably, it scares the hell out of the commercial sector.

In light of all this, my guess is that the BBC's most likely response
to downloading rather than streaming will be to package the "Listen
Again" service as podcasts -- and to try and find a way to make them
free to UK addresses, and chargeable for foreign-based addresses.

YM, of course, MV.
 
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Demetris

Harvey said:
On 28 Feb 2006, Demetris wrote

I've found that URL Snooper *is* necessary for the BBC "Listen Again"
streams: one can't simply "download the .ram files", as the streaming
URL is well and truly hidden -- I think that's the whole point of the
rtsp:// thing, isn't it? If you download the link and open it like you
say, you still won't find the .ra/.rm information.
Oh, I see...

It's easy to get the URL in this way for archived material or for
streams with a link to "Listen using stand-alone Real Player", but not
so easy if the embedded player is required.

Here is how (probably it's easier to use Snooper):

* Right-click on the player buttons in the popup window
* Select View Source Frame
* Look for an ".rpm" string (it was in the <noscript> section
in this form: "/radio/.../showname.rpm")
* Prefix the Beeb URL, and
* Download the .rpm file
* Get the RTSP address from inside
* Paste in NetTransport

Greetings,
Demetris
 
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Harvey Van Sickle

On 28 Feb 2006, Demetris wrote

I've found that URL Snooper *is* necessary for the BBC "Listen
Again" streams: one can't simply "download the .ram files", as
the streaming URL is well and truly hidden -- I think that's the
whole point of the rtsp:// thing, isn't it? If you download the
link and open it like you say, you still won't find the .ra/.rm
information.
Oh, I see...

It's easy to get the URL in this way for archived material or for
streams with a link to "Listen using stand-alone Real Player", but
not so easy if the embedded player is required.

Here is how (probably it's easier to use Snooper):

* Right-click on the player buttons in the popup window
* Select View Source Frame
* Look for an ".rpm" string (it was in the <noscript> section
in this form: "/radio/.../showname.rpm")
* Prefix the Beeb URL, and
* Download the .rpm file
* Get the RTSP address from inside
* Paste in NetTransport[/QUOTE]

Ah, thanks -- it's good to know there's a way to do it directly from
the site.

(You're right, though -- Snooper's a lot easier!)
 

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