Read this link, and you won't buy Vista.

D

Decrepit


From the FAQ section of the linked document - the author's reply to
the sugestion it's FUD:

This is all a pile of FUD.

The process that leads to comments like this tends to be (1) Quickly
skim through this document, (2) Decide that it sounds a bit
implausible (possibly even before performing step 1), (3) Post a rant
saying it's FUD. To pick one particular example, a Digg reader's
reaction to the section of text that states there isn't sufficient CPU
power available for both decompression and encryption was:

I'm sorry, where does this come from? You do realize that this is
completely uncited, and very likely wrong? Entire paragraphs that
follow are based on this magical detail pulled out of thin air. [...]
I'm no fan of this asinine DRM bullshit, but the scenarios and
postulates put forth in this article are complete rubbish.

Referring to the very first source listed in the Sources section
shows that this is picked not from thin air but from Microsoft's own
documentation:

The problem with regular AES is that it takes about 20 CPU clocks to
encrypt each byte. This is OK for compressed or semi-compressed video,
but for the multiple HD uncompressed case, it is too much even for a
2006 processor [referring to the fastest CPU available at the time the
document was written].

and then again:

In the case of premium content, whether video can play back smoothly
when using regular AES with uncompressed video will be a function of
the resolution of the uncompressed video and the power of the
processor. It is unlikely to work well in 2006 for uncompressed HD
premium content

If you don't believe what you've read here, go back to Microsoft's
own documentation and read that (in fact read the Microsoft documents
no matter what you believe, because they're quite scary). If you still
think it's FUD then you can at least post informed comments about it.
 
M

MICHAEL

http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html#response

Microsoft's Response
Peter Gutmann

In mid-January 2007, Microsoft responded to some of the points in this writeup. Some of the
material was new and interesting (for example clarifying just what actually gets revoked when a
driver revocation occurs), other parts seem more likely to have come from Waggener Edstrom
(Microsoft's PR firm) than Program Manager Dave Marsh (The Inquirer wasn't too impressed by it
either). I'll be updating the body text based on some of the clarifications, but for things
that aren't directly relevant to the main text (which means the PR-spin items) I'll comment on
them here. The important technical clarifications that affect the main body of the writeup are
(1) exactly what happens when a driver is revoked, (2) what happens when a tilt bit triggers,
and (3) which portions of the output are affected when content degradation takes place. The
content- protection specifications were previously somewhat unclear about these various
consequences of the protection mechanisms, so it's good to have this clarification on exactly
what occurs.
Since the portions that I'll comment on here are PR-related rather than technical content, the
following section is an attempt to respond directly and try and unravel the PR spin. The
technical comments have been integrated into the main body of the writeup.

continued....

http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html#response
 
P

Paul Smith

Dale said:
Who is Paul Smith? What are his credentials compared to Peter Gutmann's?

I can read information by the people who actually built parts of the DRM,
and they said its FUD.

I also don't twist arguments by saying Super Audio CDs won't play on Vista
because of DRM. I say Super Audio CDs won't play on any PC because Sony
won't license it for use with PC form factor machines.

Pretty basic claim right? The information is out there in the public, and
Gutmann either didn't know, or he didn't care.

I don't say Microsoft can stop your hardware working because of DRM. I say
that DRM can be used to prevent a particular film working on your hardware
if an updated driver isn't available, it doesn't shut your hardware down so
it doesn't work anymore.

We had the same sort of articles around when Windows XP was released.
Windows XP will delete stuff downloaded from Napster or Kazaa, it was FUD
then and its FUD now.

He asks "Why is Microsoft going to this much trouble?" Because if they
don't there is a real risk that content providers will shut the PC out of
being able to play future HD DVD or Blu-ray titles. Don't think they'll go
that far? Well they did with Super Audio CD.

--
Paul Smith,
Yeovil, UK.
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User.
http://www.windowsresource.net/

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P

Paul Smith

Very interesting, as someone pointed out it will mean a big boost to Apple
in
the long run.

Why? Apple are implementing the same thing, they've already got plenty of
DRM in their platform.

--
Paul Smith,
Yeovil, UK.
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User.
http://www.windowsresource.net/

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D

Decrepit

That is old old news, that has been posted here and discussed over and over.


Well, now that Vista is officially released, and there will be an
influx of new readers, now is a good time to bring it forward again.
Fortunately, I happened to trip over it elsewhere and it became my
third reason I won't be buying Vista. (The first two are cost and too
restrictive copy protection.)
 
D

Dale

I look at the picture of Nick White and many other Microsoft program
managers responsible for the biggest products Microsoft has and I am totally
amazed. These are very young men; way too young to be so tightly in the
grips of corporate America. These are young men that should be protesting
something somewhere... Anything... Anywhere. It's a sad reflection on our
society that we've lost the ability to question authority - especially that
our youth have lost that. It is sad that young people have chosen jobs and
money over life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.

I'm not saying jobs and money are bad but those things are usually the realm
of us older guys.

God, I miss the 60's.

Dale
 
D

Dale

Is Apple/iTunes/iPod/AAC any better?

Funny how hypocritical some companies can be - to create AAC on the one hand
and then steal the trademarked iPhone title from Cisco.

Dale
 
D

Dale

And Linux will have it soon enough because it is in the hardware. The only
escape is to fight the content providers and refuse to participate in DRM.

Dale
 
M

MICHAEL

"Well they did with Super Audio CD."

It's just flourishing, isn't it?

Just like the music industry in general.
The music industry as we know it now,
is slowly killing itself.
They need the PC more than it needs them. Period.


-Michael
 
R

Richard Urban

Do you understand that 99% of the people in this newsgroup already have
Vista?

--


Regards,

Richard Urban
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User
(For email, remove the obvious from my address)

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
 
M

MICHAEL

Oh my goodness.... I agree with you, Dale.

Of course, I was just a baby during the 60's.
But, I hear you.

Take care,

Michael
 
P

Paul Smith

Dale said:
And Linux will have it soon enough because it is in the hardware. The
only escape is to fight the content providers and refuse to participate in
DRM.

Nothing sends shivers through the capitalist ranks like some large scale
nationalisations. :cool:

--
Paul Smith,
Yeovil, UK.
Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User.
http://www.windowsresource.net/

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M

MICHAEL

Absolutely. Do not buy DRM crap. Period.

You guys want me to repeat my horror story about
DRM crap? I will.

Watch out.

-Michael
 

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