Why some of us are concerned about Vista

[TK]

food for thought....

BluRay / HD-DVD / Vista / all hardware / media / software - are to be
designed with digital rights / anti-piracy measures. Yes, even that nice
new HD capable LCD screen bought in 2006. They must all be compliant to
allow for full functionality. Each piece will be checking the others for
compliancy. If any of these things are not compliant, then functionality me
be crippled or not work at all. Apparently SPDIF outouts will not work at
all because there is no way to do this checking.


There are a lot of reasons not to put Vista on a computer.
- upgrades to even newer hardware needed
- much of what you can do today won't work under Vista anymore
- embedded DRM schemes will prevent illegal copying/altering of HD-DVD and
other media
- even that nice new LCD screen capable of doing 1080i or p will likely
have it's output crippled if it doesn't contain newest DRM capabilites


If you like the apps/games/movies on usenet servers, then do yourself a big
favour and stay clear of Vista. With Vista around, it won't be long
before this sort content is a thing of the past.


Read these articles for more info on great reasons to not use Vista:
(the 1st article is from an organization promoting free software
alternatives to Vista)
(2nd article is very indepth with good diagrams etc)

http://badvista.fsf.org/
http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=1871
http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html
http://www.technologyreview.com/Infotech/14787/
http://news.com.com/Hollywood, Micr...3-5844393.html?part=rss&tag=5844393&subj=news

Apparently there are no plans to change XP or DVD in anyway. We should keep
buying with our pocket books.

Remember that by buying HD-DVD or BluRay you are helping to usher in a new
era where we will have to pay for all content (software programs, movies,
music etc).


Now after checking these threads myself I must say the ReactOS looks
hopeful.
Vista sales will nothing like XP I bet. I tested an RTM of it and I won't
use it even if MS
were to give it too me. DX10 for games will be great I'm sure but I don't
play games much anymore and have more than enough that work on xp and 98 to
keep me happy

I have a legal copy of XP I quit using because every time I changed
hardware. I had to call MS
to reactivate. I found this to be a waste of my time and MS's money so I am
now running a cracked
version of the VLK version. Remember before you start flaming me I do own a
legal copy just got fed up with activating. Just imagine everytime you
upgraded your car or bike or your camera or video camera, etc... Would you
be willing to call Ford, Cannon, Sony when you say replaced a battery to
activate it?

P.S. Is MS mentioning the fact that upgrading to vista will probably cost
$1000 on average when
you figure cost of Vista plus upgrading hardware. I tested Vista on a
P4E 3.2 GHZ HT pc
Asus p4p800E deluxe mobo
Soundblaster X-FI Pro
Nvidia 6800 GT 256 ram

Vista gave that system a 4.1 LOL. I will be upgrading to duo-core soon but
don't
plan on using Vista if the articles I've read are true. I do realize They
may be lying but MS
has lied soo many times I don't trust them either.

 

[Robert Firth]

Are you crazy? ReactOS looks good? It is a mockup of Windows 98. It isn't
even complete. I thought it was funny when I opened the 'Display
Properties' dialog, pressed a button (I think it was 'Advanced'), and it
came up with a dialog "This button doesn't do anything yet". You would do
better pirating Windows 98.

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* Robert Firth *
* Windows Vista x86 RTM *
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[Chad Harris]

I have been critical of MSFT often, and some aspects of Vista, but Vista
will smoke on a machine much less than the one you plan to buy. You owe it
to yourself to try Vista--then see what you think. I firmly believe you
should drill and criticize until your hear'ts content, but after all, you
should try something before you launch the criticisms based on articles.

Or at least, I think so.

CH

 

[P. Jayant]

I think the most important thing before migrating to Vista is to check
whether the drivers for the various devices on a computer are workable under
Vista or if there are updates released by the respective manufacturer of the
hardware. If all the device drivers work, the change-over to Vista, one
would expect to be smooth. But most complaints I read about Vista are that
neither Microsoft nor the manufacturers of various somewhat older devices
are giving any guidance on which versions of the device drivers work with
Vista and which ones are definitely NO NO.

P. Jayant

 

[Guest]

TK,

Within your below Post is one very accurate statement:
"With Vista around, it won't be long before this sort content is a thing of
the past."

Your are absolutely correct, when Windows Vista enters the retail market,
and as more and more users begins using Windows Vista, un-informed Post as
yours will no longer exists.

Thank you for that very astute observation!

--
Life is Wonderful while using Vista solo !

Posting & Painting
"Painting, n.: The art of protecting flat surfaces from the weather, and
exposing them to the critic."

Ambrose Bierce
**********

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

"Is MS mentioning the fact that upgrading to vista will probably cost $1000
on average when
you figure cost of Vista plus upgrading hardware."
Why would they mention such fiction?
Where do you get this ridiculous figure?
Vista Ultimate runs fine on my computer.
The newest item is the 18 month old video card.
I find it hard to believe $1000 is average, perhaps for the hard core
Microsoft critics, but not reasonable people.
A new good computer coming with Vista can be bought for less than that.

 

[Chad Harris]

I should add I have one computer that I bought in 2001--a Dell Dimension
with a 1.8 GHz P4. I upgraded the RAM in it to 1GB (modest but as everyone
knows, high end RAM for older computers is expensive and I got high end
Crucial). I did not have to upgrade the Video card, because that computer
ran Vista very well, but I decided to change the 32MB card it came with to a
512MB recent Nvidia OC card in case I wanted to play some newer games or
use some more graphics intensive apps in the future.

I could have gotten less expensive RAM and updating it to run Vista well
before the Video card did not cost near that as Jupiter Jones points out.

I did have to replace the PSU to run the Video card, but that could have
happened on some more recent pcs as well. Vista runs very well and very
fast on that pc. There are bugs it shipped with, but that doesn't change
the main point.

CH

 

[Conor]

food for thought....

BluRay / HD-DVD / Vista / all hardware / media / software - are to be
designed with digital rights / anti-piracy measures.

It's been cracked.

Yes, even that nice
new HD capable LCD screen bought in 2006. They must all be compliant to
allow for full functionality. Each piece will be checking the others for
compliancy. If any of these things are not compliant, then functionality me
be crippled or not work at all.

It's yet to be enabled.

There are a lot of reasons not to put Vista on a computer.
- upgrades to even newer hardware needed
Nope.
- much of what you can do today won't work under Vista anymore
Wrong.
- embedded DRM schemes will prevent illegal copying/altering of HD-DVD and
other media
Wrong.

- even that nice new LCD screen capable of doing 1080i or p will likely
have it's output crippled if it doesn't contain newest DRM capabilites
Wrong.

If you like the apps/games/movies on usenet servers, then do yourself a big
favour and stay clear of Vista. With Vista around, it won't be long
before this sort content is a thing of the past.
Wrong.

I have a legal copy of XP I quit using because every time I changed
hardware. I had to call MS

I haven't except for a motherboard upgrade.

 

[JP]

So don't use it. What's the big deal.

food for thought....

BluRay / HD-DVD / Vista / all hardware / media / software - are to be designed with digital rights
/ anti-piracy measures. Yes, even that nice new HD capable LCD screen bought in 2006. They must
all be compliant to allow for full functionality. Each piece will be checking the others for
compliancy. If any of these things are not compliant, then functionality me be crippled or not
work at all. Apparently SPDIF outouts will not work at all because there is no way to do this
checking.


There are a lot of reasons not to put Vista on a computer.
- upgrades to even newer hardware needed
- much of what you can do today won't work under Vista anymore
- embedded DRM schemes will prevent illegal copying/altering of HD-DVD and other media
- even that nice new LCD screen capable of doing 1080i or p will likely have it's output crippled
if it doesn't contain newest DRM capabilites


If you like the apps/games/movies on usenet servers, then do yourself a big favour and stay clear
of Vista. With Vista around, it won't be long before this sort content is a thing of the past.


Read these articles for more info on great reasons to not use Vista:
(the 1st article is from an organization promoting free software alternatives to Vista)
(2nd article is very indepth with good diagrams etc)

http://badvista.fsf.org/
http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=1871
http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html
http://www.technologyreview.com/Infotech/14787/
http://news.com.com/Hollywood, Micr...3-5844393.html?part=rss&tag=5844393&subj=news

Apparently there are no plans to change XP or DVD in anyway. We should keep buying with our
pocket books.

Remember that by buying HD-DVD or BluRay you are helping to usher in a new era where we will have
to pay for all content (software programs, movies, music etc).


Now after checking these threads myself I must say the ReactOS looks hopeful.
Vista sales will nothing like XP I bet. I tested an RTM of it and I won't use it even if MS
were to give it too me. DX10 for games will be great I'm sure but I don't play games much anymore
and have more than enough that work on xp and 98 to keep me happy

I have a legal copy of XP I quit using because every time I changed hardware. I had to call MS
to reactivate. I found this to be a waste of my time and MS's money so I am now running a cracked
version of the VLK version. Remember before you start flaming me I do own a legal copy just got
fed up with activating. Just imagine everytime you upgraded your car or bike or your camera or
video camera, etc... Would you be willing to call Ford, Cannon, Sony when you say replaced a
battery to activate it?

P.S. Is MS mentioning the fact that upgrading to vista will probably cost $1000 on average when
you figure cost of Vista plus upgrading hardware. I tested Vista on a
P4E 3.2 GHZ HT pc
Asus p4p800E deluxe mobo
Soundblaster X-FI Pro
Nvidia 6800 GT 256 ram

Vista gave that system a 4.1 LOL. I will be upgrading to duo-core soon but don't
plan on using Vista if the articles I've read are true. I do realize They may be lying but MS
has lied soo many times I don't trust them either.

 

[TK]

Are you crazy? ReactOS looks good? It is a mockup of Windows 98. It isn't
even complete. I thought it was funny when I opened the 'Display
Properties' dialog, pressed a button (I think it was 'Advanced'), and it
came up with a dialog "This button doesn't do anything yet". You would do
better pirating Windows 98.

It's still in alpha stage.
--

 

[TK]

I have been critical of MSFT often, and some aspects of Vista, but Vista
will smoke on a machine much less than the one you plan to buy. You owe it
to yourself to try Vista--then see what you think. I firmly believe you
should drill and criticize until your hear'ts content, but after all, you
should try something before you launch the criticisms based on articles.

Or at least, I think so.

CH

I am going to wait and see.

 

[arachnid]

I think the most important thing before migrating to Vista is to check
whether the drivers for the various devices on a computer are workable
under Vista or if there are updates released by the respective
manufacturer of the hardware. If all the device drivers work, the
change-over to Vista, one would expect to be smooth. But most complaints
I read about Vista are that neither Microsoft nor the manufacturers of
various somewhat older devices are giving any guidance on which versions
of the device drivers work with Vista and which ones are definitely NO NO.

This is why all device drivers should be open source -- open source
drivers could be recompiled by Microsoft for any new OS they come out
with, whereas closed-source drivers leave MS and its Windows users totally
at the mercy of hardware manufacturers.

 

[TK]

I think the most important thing before migrating to Vista is to check
whether the drivers for the various devices on a computer are workable
under Vista or if there are updates released by the respective manufacturer
of the hardware. If all the device drivers work, the change-over to Vista,
one would expect to be smooth. But most complaints I read about Vista are
that neither Microsoft nor the manufacturers of various somewhat older
devices are giving any guidance on which versions of the device drivers
work with Vista and which ones are definitely NO NO.

P. Jayant

When I took a peek at Vista on my box I removed real quick because of a lack
of good drivers. That was the 3rd week of December, hopefully by February
it
will be better.

 

[TK]

"Is MS mentioning the fact that upgrading to vista will probably cost
$1000 on average when
you figure cost of Vista plus upgrading hardware."
Why would they mention such fiction?
Where do you get this ridiculous figure?
Vista Ultimate runs fine on my computer.
The newest item is the 18 month old video card.
I find it hard to believe $1000 is average, perhaps for the hard core
Microsoft critics, but not reasonable people.
A new good computer coming with Vista can be bought for less than that.

Sure a Piece of crap Dell or HP so I guess I should say it will $1000 or
more
for people building real computers with an actual Vista disc not a lame
system
restore.

 

[TK]

It's been cracked.



It's yet to be enabled.


I haven't except for a motherboard upgrade.

I am glad to see your response and hope you're right. One of my calls was a
mobo change,
one was hard drives (raid) and I think the other was video and sound cards.
I don't see how it's even constitutional to force people to activate after
the initial activation.

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

So you do not have a source for the fictitious figure of "$1000 on average
when..."
It is NOT a fact as you state.

I suppose if you are referring to purchasing NEW computers from specific
venders as well as other specific requirements then your statement may be a
little more accurate.
But even then you are adding more conditions not in your original statement.
Even purchasing Vista Ultimate retail, many current Windows XP computers can
easily use Vista and stay well under the "$1000" upgrade you state.

Please post the source for the "fact" of "$1000 on average" unless of
course it is like many statistics mad up at the last moment to prove a
point.

 

[Justin]

"Is MS mentioning the fact that upgrading to vista will probably cost $1000
on average when you figure cost of Vista plus upgrading hardware."

Hahaha....someone's been watching "Hi, I'm a Mac, Hi I'm a PC" commercials!
Does your PC have to go in for "major" surgery?

 

[Justin]

BluRay / HD-DVD / Vista / all hardware / media / software - are to be
So far, only with digital connections. Use you component breakout box and
that all goes bye-bye! (BluRay / HD-DVD)

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

None at all and certainly not for anywhere near $1000.
Not even half that figure even if you use the retail cost of Vista Ultimate
full and not upgrade.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org

 

[Justin]

That Mac is annoying in those commercials as he was annoying in Dodge Ball!

I'm guessing TK's PC needs major surgery. Maybe his PC wont make it? Who
get's it's peripherals?