READ BEFORE INSTALLING OFFICE 2007 B2TR

[Patrick Schmid]

For a clean Vista RC1 install:
Install Vista RC1, install Beta 2, Install B2TR.

For a Vista B2 install that you want to update to RC1:
Install B2TR, Update to Vista RC1.

Patrick Schmid

 

[Guest]

"An aggressive, itchy pox upon the Word team for putting us in this
situation."

Did you ever bother to read all the warnings about not running this in
production?

That Microsoft arrogance must rubbing off on MVPs now These aren't
video games, they're "productivity tools". No one is going to install the
beta and then spend their time creating worthless documents that they don't
mind losing. They're going to use the beta as they would the RTM version,
and see how it stacks up against the previous release.

In 10 years of running all the Windows and Office betas, much of that time
while working at Microsoft, I can't recall another instance where between
Beta 2 and RC1 you lost the ability to open beta-created documents.

The user experience in previous product cycles has gotten BETTER as products
approached RTM, and I've always looked forward to the RTM version. But
that's not my experience with Office 2007 B2TR, which for me is definitely a
step backwards. B2TR is slower, has more UI hangs, and uses twice the memory
of B2. Outlook and Word, which in my book are the core of Office, are NOT
ready to be labeled release candidates.

--Peter

 

[JoAnn Paules [MVP]]

It's not arrogance. It's common sense. There are warnings that state that
betas are not recommended for production systems. If someone chooses to push
their luck, they should be willing to accept any consequences.

--

JoAnn Paules
MVP Microsoft [Publisher]

 

[Patrick Schmid]

The MS Word team has told me that Word files in the new file formats
created in B2 (dotx, dotm, etc) *should* open in B2TR.
I am blaming the corruption messages I received on files that were
created in B1/B1TR. Apparently opening such files in B2, pressing save
and closing them, did NOT upgrade them to the B2 format.

Patrick Schmid

 

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

FWIW, opening any file and saving it doesn't save it; you have to make a
change, what has been called a "phantom edit," such as Spacebar, Backspace
(anything to enable the Undo button), then save.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

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all may benefit.

 

[Patrick Schmid]

I had assumed that Word would automatically dirty the file if it
detected that it was saved in an outdated format (meaning the B1 or B1TR
format when opening in B2).

Patrick Schmid
---------------
http://pschmid.net

FWIW, opening any file and saving it doesn't save it; you have to make a
change, what has been called a "phantom edit," such as Spacebar, Backspace
(anything to enable the Undo button), then save.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

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all may benefit.

 

[Suzanne S. Barnhill]

Apparently not, however. Is the file format really different between B1/B1TR
and B2 or only the version? In Word 97-2003, if you open a Word 6.0/95 doc,
you might be asked if you want to save in the current format, but if you
open, say, a Word 97 file in Word 2003, you don't get any sort of prompt,
since the file format is the same.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

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all may benefit.

 

[Patrick Schmid]

Definitely different. Files created in B1 and B1TR don't open in B2TR
anymore, they actually produce a corrupt file error message. B2TR uses
the XML file formats according to the Ecma draft v1.4, B2 used 1.3. B1TR
and B1 were earlier versions.

Patrick Schmid
---------------
http://pschmid.net

Apparently not, however. Is the file format really different between B1/B1TR
and B2 or only the version? In Word 97-2003, if you open a Word 6.0/95 doc,
you might be asked if you want to save in the current format, but if you
open, say, a Word 97 file in Word 2003, you don't get any sort of prompt,
since the file format is the same.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

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all may benefit.

 

[Pat Garard]

G'Day Roady,

I have a LeXmark 1185 (all-in-one).
--
Regards,
Pat Garard
Melbourne, Australia
_______________________

What type of printer do you have?

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003


-----
"Pat Garard" <apgarard-bigpond:net:au> wrote in message
G'Day Patrick,

Thanks for the Information!

You may remember that I had some issue with OL2007 - most of these
are now resolved.

When I print, I still get warnings about Prop Res DLL not loaded,
but it prints ok.

The Editor seems much improved - as does the rest of Office 2007.

Thanks again!

 

[Roady [MVP]]

That's what I thought already ;-)

Search for lxbkprpr.dll and copy it to c:\windows\system32
By default it resides in;
c:\windows\system32\spool\drivers\w32x86\Lexmark_x1100_ser iesf27b

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003


-----
"Pat Garard" <apgarard-bigpond:net:au> wrote in message
G'Day Roady,

I have a LeXmark 1185 (all-in-one).
--
Regards,
Pat Garard
Melbourne, Australia
_______________________

What type of printer do you have?

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003


-----
"Pat Garard" <apgarard-bigpond:net:au> wrote in message
G'Day Patrick,

Thanks for the Information!

You may remember that I had some issue with OL2007 - most of these
are now resolved.

When I print, I still get warnings about Prop Res DLL not loaded,
but it prints ok.

The Editor seems much improved - as does the rest of Office 2007.

Thanks again!

 

[Roady [MVP]]

That was actually already mentioned from the dogfood builds. The file format
was/is still under development throughout the BETA as well and except for
OneNote "upgrading" documents from earlier BETAs wouldn't be fully supported
(which includes "dirtying" it). It was recommended against storing important
data in the new file format.

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003


-----
Definitely different. Files created in B1 and B1TR don't open in B2TR
anymore, they actually produce a corrupt file error message. B2TR uses
the XML file formats according to the Ecma draft v1.4, B2 used 1.3. B1TR
and B1 were earlier versions.

Patrick Schmid
---------------
http://pschmid.net

Apparently not, however. Is the file format really different between
B1/B1TR
and B2 or only the version? In Word 97-2003, if you open a Word 6.0/95
doc,
you might be asked if you want to save in the current format, but if you
open, say, a Word 97 file in Word 2003, you don't get any sort of prompt,
since the file format is the same.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup
so
all may benefit.

 

[Patrick Schmid]

Yes, I know.
But you aren't necessarily better off if you stored all your files in
the 97-2003 formats. For example, XLS files created in B1/B1TR might not
open in B2TR either.

Patrick Schmid
---------------
http://pschmid.net

That was actually already mentioned from the dogfood builds. The file format
was/is still under development throughout the BETA as well and except for
OneNote "upgrading" documents from earlier BETAs wouldn't be fully supported
(which includes "dirtying" it). It was recommended against storing important
data in the new file format.

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003


-----
Definitely different. Files created in B1 and B1TR don't open in B2TR
anymore, they actually produce a corrupt file error message. B2TR uses
the XML file formats according to the Ecma draft v1.4, B2 used 1.3. B1TR
and B1 were earlier versions.

Patrick Schmid
---------------
http://pschmid.net

Apparently not, however. Is the file format really different between
B1/B1TR
and B2 or only the version? In Word 97-2003, if you open a Word 6.0/95
doc,
you might be asked if you want to save in the current format, but if you
open, say, a Word 97 file in Word 2003, you don't get any sort of prompt,
since the file format is the same.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the newsgroup
so
all may benefit.

 

[Pat Garard]

WOW!
Well I be ... [:-{

Thanks ... [;-}
--
Regards,
Pat Garard
Melbourne, Australia
_______________________

That's what I thought already ;-)

Search for lxbkprpr.dll and copy it to c:\windows\system32
By default it resides in;
c:\windows\system32\spool\drivers\w32x86\Lexmark_x1100_ser iesf27b

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003


-----
"Pat Garard" <apgarard-bigpond:net:au> wrote in message
G'Day Roady,

I have a LeXmark 1185 (all-in-one).
--
Regards,
Pat Garard
Melbourne, Australia
_______________________

What type of printer do you have?

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003


-----
"Pat Garard" <apgarard-bigpond:net:au> wrote in message
G'Day Patrick,

Thanks for the Information!

You may remember that I had some issue with OL2007 - most of these
are now resolved.

When I print, I still get warnings about Prop Res DLL not loaded,
but it prints ok.

The Editor seems much improved - as does the rest of Office 2007.

Thanks again!
--
Regards,
Pat Garard
Melbourne, Australia
_______________________

The B2TR patch has some nasty surprises for users in store. The most
important
one being that Word 2007 Beta 2 files saved in the new file formats
(extensions docx, docm, etc) might not open at all once B2TR has been
installed.
Excel files in the file formats (extensions xlsx, xlsm, etc) saved in B2
should open in B2TR. PowerPoint files saved in B2 in the new file formats
(extensions pptx, pptm, etc) seem to at least open, but seem to have
issues
with font size, text placement, and other minor issues.
Before installing B2TR therefore, you should save all your files in the
97-2003 file formats. That means, save all your docx files as doc (Word),
all
your xslx files as xls (Excel) and all your pptx files as ppt
(PowerPoint).
There are a host of other issues you might encounter. I am keeping a
running
list that I will update constantly over the next few days at
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/14/43. I highly suggest to read it before
installing B2TR.

Patrick Schmid

 

[Graham Mayor]

Just a suggestion - I would have thought that re-registering the dll from
its current default location would have worked as well, and might make
things simpler if you need to uninstall that printer later?

regsvr32 "c:\windows\system32\spool\drivers\w32x86\Lexmark_x1100_ser
iesf27b"

--
<>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>><<>
Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com

<>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>><<>

That's what I thought already ;-)

Search for lxbkprpr.dll and copy it to c:\windows\system32
By default it resides in;
c:\windows\system32\spool\drivers\w32x86\Lexmark_x1100_ser iesf27b

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003


-----
"Pat Garard" <apgarard-bigpond:net:au> wrote in message
G'Day Roady,

I have a LeXmark 1185 (all-in-one).

What type of printer do you have?

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003


-----
"Pat Garard" <apgarard-bigpond:net:au> wrote in message
G'Day Patrick,

Thanks for the Information!

You may remember that I had some issue with OL2007 - most of these
are now resolved.

When I print, I still get warnings about Prop Res DLL not loaded,
but it prints ok.

The Editor seems much improved - as does the rest of Office 2007.

Thanks again!
--
Regards,
Pat Garard
Melbourne, Australia
_______________________

The B2TR patch has some nasty surprises for users in store. The most
important
one being that Word 2007 Beta 2 files saved in the new file formats
(extensions docx, docm, etc) might not open at all once B2TR has
been installed.
Excel files in the file formats (extensions xlsx, xlsm, etc) saved
in B2 should open in B2TR. PowerPoint files saved in B2 in the new
file formats (extensions pptx, pptm, etc) seem to at least open,
but seem to have issues
with font size, text placement, and other minor issues.
Before installing B2TR therefore, you should save all your files in
the 97-2003 file formats. That means, save all your docx files as
doc (Word), all
your xslx files as xls (Excel) and all your pptx files as ppt
(PowerPoint).
There are a host of other issues you might encounter. I am keeping a
running
list that I will update constantly over the next few days at
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/14/43. I highly suggest to read it
before installing B2TR.

Patrick Schmid

 

[Roady [MVP]]

It seems to break itself over time :-S

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003


-----
Just a suggestion - I would have thought that re-registering the dll from
its current default location would have worked as well, and might make
things simpler if you need to uninstall that printer later?

regsvr32 "c:\windows\system32\spool\drivers\w32x86\Lexmark_x1100_ser
iesf27b"

--
<>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>><<>
Graham Mayor - Word MVP

My web site www.gmayor.com

<>>< ><<> ><<> <>>< ><<> <>>< <>><<>

That's what I thought already ;-)

Search for lxbkprpr.dll and copy it to c:\windows\system32
By default it resides in;
c:\windows\system32\spool\drivers\w32x86\Lexmark_x1100_ser iesf27b

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003


-----
"Pat Garard" <apgarard-bigpond:net:au> wrote in message
G'Day Roady,

I have a LeXmark 1185 (all-in-one).

What type of printer do you have?

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003


-----
"Pat Garard" <apgarard-bigpond:net:au> wrote in message
G'Day Patrick,

Thanks for the Information!

You may remember that I had some issue with OL2007 - most of these
are now resolved.

When I print, I still get warnings about Prop Res DLL not loaded,
but it prints ok.

The Editor seems much improved - as does the rest of Office 2007.

Thanks again!
--
Regards,
Pat Garard
Melbourne, Australia
_______________________

The B2TR patch has some nasty surprises for users in store. The most
important
one being that Word 2007 Beta 2 files saved in the new file formats
(extensions docx, docm, etc) might not open at all once B2TR has
been installed.
Excel files in the file formats (extensions xlsx, xlsm, etc) saved
in B2 should open in B2TR. PowerPoint files saved in B2 in the new
file formats (extensions pptx, pptm, etc) seem to at least open,
but seem to have issues
with font size, text placement, and other minor issues.
Before installing B2TR therefore, you should save all your files in
the 97-2003 file formats. That means, save all your docx files as
doc (Word), all
your xslx files as xls (Excel) and all your pptx files as ppt
(PowerPoint).
There are a host of other issues you might encounter. I am keeping a
running
list that I will update constantly over the next few days at
http://pschmid.net/blog/2006/09/14/43. I highly suggest to read it
before installing B2TR.

Patrick Schmid

 

[Roady [MVP]]

Hmm, that is indeed a nasty thing :-S

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003


-----
Yes, I know.
But you aren't necessarily better off if you stored all your files in
the 97-2003 formats. For example, XLS files created in B1/B1TR might not
open in B2TR either.

Patrick Schmid
---------------
http://pschmid.net

That was actually already mentioned from the dogfood builds. The file
format
was/is still under development throughout the BETA as well and except for
OneNote "upgrading" documents from earlier BETAs wouldn't be fully
supported
(which includes "dirtying" it). It was recommended against storing
important
data in the new file format.

--
Robert Sparnaaij [MVP-Outlook]
Coauthor, Configuring Microsoft Outlook 2003


-----
Definitely different. Files created in B1 and B1TR don't open in B2TR
anymore, they actually produce a corrupt file error message. B2TR uses
the XML file formats according to the Ecma draft v1.4, B2 used 1.3. B1TR
and B1 were earlier versions.

Patrick Schmid
---------------
http://pschmid.net

Apparently not, however. Is the file format really different between
B1/B1TR
and B2 or only the version? In Word 97-2003, if you open a Word 6.0/95
doc,
you might be asked if you want to save in the current format, but if you
open, say, a Word 97 file in Word 2003, you don't get any sort of
prompt,
since the file format is the same.

--
Suzanne S. Barnhill
Microsoft MVP (Word)
Words into Type
Fairhope, Alabama USA

Email cannot be acknowledged; please post all follow-ups to the
newsgroup
so
all may benefit.

 

[Bob Buckland ?:-\)]

Hi Patrick,

In general, you would be better off using the legacy formats, but relying on the beta for business/mission level documents is still
a risk not recommended by Microsoft for most folks.

If a legacy file created from Office 2007 betas does not reopen in a legacy version of Office or a newer version of Office 2007 beta
then that would be a bug. (It could have been a bug in the 'save as' portion of the older beta, but still a bug).
==========
Yes, I know.
But you aren't necessarily better off if you stored all your files in
the 97-2003 formats. For example, XLS files created in B1/B1TR might not
open in B2TR either.

Patrick Schmid >>
--
I hope this helped you,

Bob Buckland ?
MS Office system products MVP

LINKS to the 2007 Office System

1. Free MS Office 2007 book from MS Press, 213 pages:
http://microsoft.com/learning/office2007/default.mspx#booksfrommspress

2.. Office 2007 Beta 2 Online Test Drive, Downloadable beta,
e-learning courses, doucmentation and movies:
http://microsoft.com/office/preview

3. Send 2007 Office System Beta 2 feedback directly to the MS Office 2007 product team with this feedback tool:
http://sas.office.microsoft.com/

4. Try the 2007 OfficeOnline preview website , without Office2007

a. Install the ActiveX access control
http://office.microsoft.com/search/redir.aspx?AssetID=XT101650581033

b. then visit
http://officebeta.iponet.net

 

[Rainald Taesler]

As you just made the move right now, you won't be in much trouble.
People who have been using Beta 2 for a while and now got B2TR are
the
ones experiencing most issues.

Seems as if everything worked just fine.
Will have to get used to the new Office design, however.
Don't like it too much so far.
Takes away even more screen real estate than before.
I wonder what will be left on my TabletPC's screen ...

Rainald

 

[Doug Robbins - Word MVP]

Double Left Click on one of the tabs to hide the ribbon. After doing that,
a left click on one of the tabs will display the ribbon for that tab.

--
Hope this helps.

Please reply to the newsgroup unless you wish to avail yourself of my
services on a paid consulting basis.

Doug Robbins - Word MVP

 

[Beth Melton]

Correct. The majority of the issues that have been encountered are
from files created pre-Beta 2.

Note that those who had Office 2007 prior to Beta 2 were official beta
testers and they were explicitly told files created in the early beta
releases may not be accessible in later releases. I have a few files
I'm unable to open as well but I also saved the important files in the
Word 97 - 2003 format.

If you just used the Save command won't necessarily change the format.
I modify the file a bit, like Suzanne noted, add a space and delete
it, and then use Save As.

Please post all follow-up questions to the newsgroup. Requests for
assistance by email can not be acknowledged.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Beth Melton
Microsoft Office MVP

Office 2007 Preview Site:
http://www.microsoft.com/office/preview/default.mspx
Office 2007 Community Articles/Tutorials:
http://www.microsoft.com/office/preview/community/article_archive.mspx

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