Prolem on REPAIR WinXP

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losl(removethis)

When repairing my XP Pro SP2 NTFS using the install cd with SP2
slipstreamed, after copying files,initialising config and the first
system reboot it comes to the "files needed" error as mentioned in MS
KB311755. It also freezes the keyboard and mouse.

I tried to solve the problem (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/311755) using:

Method 1: "press SHIFT+F10 to start a command session" nothing happens
for the KB and mouse are dead.

Method 2: proceed successfully but same error comes up again after
system restarts, returns to groung zero.

Method 3: I start the "Recovery Console" with a retail (Boxed) cd with a
hologram and come to the command prompt C:\windows. It says "Check the
C:\$win_nt$.~ls folder. Look for the Asms folder"
inhttp://support.microsoft.com/kb/311755, how could i change dir to c:\?
It dose not response as i type cd ..\$win_nt$.~ls in the command prompt
c:\windows. In Recovery console "CD (Chdir) operates only in the system
directories of the current Windows installation, removable media, the
root directory of any hard disk partition, or the local installation
sources." (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307654/)

All come to dead ends, Please help and enlighten me, Thank you!!
 
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Poprivet

losl(removethis)" <"losl(removethis) said:
When repairing my XP Pro SP2 NTFS using the install cd with SP2
slipstreamed, after copying files,initialising config and the first
system reboot it comes to the "files needed" error as mentioned in MS
KB311755. It also freezes the keyboard and mouse.

I tried to solve the problem (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/311755)
using:
Method 1: "press SHIFT+F10 to start a command session" nothing happens
for the KB and mouse are dead.

Method 2: proceed successfully but same error comes up again after
system restarts, returns to groung zero.

Method 3: I start the "Recovery Console" with a retail (Boxed) cd
with a hologram and come to the command prompt C:\windows. It says
"Check the C:\$win_nt$.~ls folder. Look for the Asms folder"
inhttp://support.microsoft.com/kb/311755, how could i change dir to
c:\? It dose not response as i type cd ..\$win_nt$.~ls in the command
prompt c:\windows. In Recovery console "CD (Chdir) operates only in
the system directories of the current Windows installation, removable
media, the root directory of any hard disk partition, or the local
installation
sources." (http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307654/)

All come to dead ends, Please help and enlighten me, Thank you!!

That's the trouble with slipstreams; I'm going to guess you never "proved"
that it worked, did you? Get an imaging program and forget slipstreaming
for the dog it is.
 
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Malke

Poprivet said:
That's the trouble with slipstreams; I'm going to guess you never "proved"
that it worked, did you? Get an imaging program and forget slipstreaming
for the dog it is.

Slipstreaming is not "a dog". I have used slipstreamed XP install CDs
for various versions of that OS for years. If you had trouble with
slipstreaming, you weren't doing something correctly.

To the OP: What was the reason you felt you needed to do a Repair
Install? A description of your computer would come in handy for people
trying to help you, too.

What are you trying to accomplish with the Recovery Console?

It is quite possible that you have hardware issues (the most common
reason for not being able to install an operating system) but I can't
guess since you haven't told us anything about why you're doing whatever
it is you're wanting to do.


Malke
 
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losl(removethis)

That's the trouble with slipstreams; I'm going to guess you never "proved"
that it worked, did you? Get an imaging program and forget slipstreaming
for the dog it is.
Soory, my sp2 slipstream cd has been proved working correctly. I
installed the OS in my virtual machine and test drives with this cd
several times.
 
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losl(removethis)

Slipstreaming is not "a dog". I have used slipstreamed XP install CDs
for various versions of that OS for years. If you had trouble with
slipstreaming, you weren't doing something correctly.

To the OP: What was the reason you felt you needed to do a Repair
Install? A description of your computer would come in handy for people
trying to help you, too.

What are you trying to accomplish with the Recovery Console?

It is quite possible that you have hardware issues (the most common
reason for not being able to install an operating system) but I can't
guess since you haven't told us anything about why you're doing whatever
it is you're wanting to do.


Malke

I have problem with starting up my XP. I have posted my problem in this
ng with a heading "Problem with Ntfs.sys" on 26/09/2007. As the last
option i decide to repair it.

For your convenience please refer to http://tinyurl.com/2bedts

Thank you!!
 
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Malke

losl(removethis) said:
I have problem with starting up my XP. I have posted my problem in this
ng with a heading "Problem with Ntfs.sys" on 26/09/2007. As the last
option i decide to repair it.

For your convenience please refer to http://tinyurl.com/2bedts

Thanks for linking to your previous thread. Glancing through it, I don't
see anywhere that you've run a hard drive diagnostic - *not* Chkdsk -
and therefore there is no reason to assume that your hard drive is good.
It doesn't look like it is, to me anyway.

I use Seagate's SeaTools Desktop but you may want to get the diagnostic
utility from the specific drive mftr. Create a bootable CD with the
utility, boot with it, and do a thorough test. If the drive fails any
physical tests, discard/replace it.


Malke
 
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Guest

Malke said:
Thanks for linking to your previous thread. Glancing through it, I don't
see anywhere that you've run a hard drive diagnostic - *not* Chkdsk -
and therefore there is no reason to assume that your hard drive is good.
It doesn't look like it is, to me anyway.

I use Seagate's SeaTools Desktop but you may want to get the diagnostic
utility from the specific drive mftr. Create a bootable CD with the
utility, boot with it, and do a thorough test. If the drive fails any
physical tests, discard/replace it.


Malke
--

Yes I did scan my HD which is from Maxtor for error, I scanned it with the
diagnostic tool from Seagate/Maxtor without error. I mentioned this in the
last post in http://tinyurl.com/2bedts
Not yet.
I will consider this as my LAST option.

Further info:
I accessed the drive with Winternal's NTFSDOS Pro and all tests reports
no error.
I scanned the hd with manufacturer's (Seagate/maxtor) disk utility
reports no error.
Scanned ram (1024MB) with DocMemory dial tools reported no error.

I think my last option is to format the drive and have a clean reinstall of
XP.
Wish me goog luck, thank you!!


SLo
 
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Malke

losl said:
Yes I did scan my HD which is from Maxtor for error, I scanned it with the
diagnostic tool from Seagate/Maxtor without error. I mentioned this in the
last post in http://tinyurl.com/2bedts

Not yet.
I will consider this as my LAST option.

Further info:
I accessed the drive with Winternal's NTFSDOS Pro and all tests reports
no error.
I scanned the hd with manufacturer's (Seagate/maxtor) disk utility
reports no error.
Scanned ram (1024MB) with DocMemory dial tools reported no error.

I think my last option is to format the drive and have a clean reinstall of
XP.

Then I'm sorry but without being able to work on the machine directly I
don't know why you are having such problems. The issues you report
usually are connected with failing hardware but you say you've tested
all your hardware. Without being able to test the machine myself, all I
can suggest is to back up your data with a rescue CD such as Knoppix or
a Bart's PE and do a clean install. I understand that you didn't want to
do that but sometimes that it the best solution. If a clean install
fails, then you know for sure that the issue is hardware even though you
did some tests.


Malke
 
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Guest

Malke said:
Then I'm sorry but without being able to work on the machine directly I
don't know why you are having such problems. The issues you report
usually are connected with failing hardware but you say you've tested
all your hardware. Without being able to test the machine myself, all I
can suggest is to back up your data with a rescue CD such as Knoppix or
a Bart's PE and do a clean install. I understand that you didn't want to
do that but sometimes that it the best solution. If a clean install
fails, then you know for sure that the issue is hardware even though you
did some tests.


Malke
--
Elephant Boy Computers
www.elephantboycomputers.com
"Don't Panic!"
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User

Thank you, Malke, for your response.

I came to another similar thread in this ng with heading "Repair Install"
dated 07/16/2007, by Tenshodoman. The 2nd response by David B, SWE is exactly
what i want to say here about this M$ OS. I just requote David's opinion here
for everyone.

Complaints in newsgroups, etc., about this "missing asms file" issue go back
about five years. I personally have encountered the error at least three
times in as many years. Microsoft's Knowledge Base article Q311755 -- the
one that MVPs usually refer XP users to when they respond to this complaint
-- is irrelevant and useless. The KB article referenced by "Plato" (315341)
in this thread does not appear to be very helpful either -- at least it does
not directly refer to the error message you received. I believe that there
is now, or has been, a bug in the Windows XP setup CD. Thus far, there is no
helpful KB article about this bug and no workaround.

For any MVP or user who may be reading this, I can summarize briefly 1) what
leads up to this Windows XP setup disk error; 2) how to reproduce the
"missing asms file" bug on the XP setup CD; 3) why the KB article Q31175 is
unhelpful.

1. A user elects this "repair" option in the XP Setup only after all other
efforts to recover have failed. I got to this do-or-die place a while back
by exporting and then deleting 10 registry keys that all pertained (I
thought) to an application that didn't properly uninstall itself.

I had tried "Last Known Good Configuration", Safe Boot and its variants, and
so I knew I could not boot to Safe mode; I had tried "Don't reboot after
startup failure" (or whatever the wording is, toward the bottom of the list.
Without Safe Mode, you cannot import saved "reg" files, run the Reg.exe tool,
restore a System State backup made with NT Backup, or use System Restore. I
had tried the Recovery Console, and (under the guidance of a Microsoft Tech
Support specialist) copied the original five registry files from Repair
subfolder of Sys32. That didn't work either.

2. According to the authoritative book, "Windows XP: Inside Out"
(Microsoft, 2001, p.815ff), "you may be able to repair your Windows XP
installation using the Windows Setup program. . . . The repair option is
quick and painless..." The same advice appears in other XP books. This is
*not* the repair option that appears right after "Welcome to Setup" screen.
At that screen, press Enter, not R. Soon after, press F8 to accept the EULA,
and from the screen showing your Windows installations (usually one), choose
the correct installation, and *then* press R. The setup program reloads XP
OS files, then reboots your PC. Soon after this reboot, you'll get a message
saying the system cannot find a file called "ASMS", and it gives you an input
box to enter the correct path of that file.

However, though an ASMS *folder* exists, there is no ASMS file on my Windows
XP setup disk, probably not on yours either, no way to work around the error,
and no way to continue past this point.

At this point, a user writes to a newsgroup or searches Microsoft or Google
for a KB article that could help. Or, like me, he or she calls Microsoft
Tech Support (incident 1038826788 in my case) about the problem -- they guide
you through all the above steps, and then summarily *give up without an
explanation* when you get to the ASMS error, advise you to reinstall XP, and
refund your $80.

3. The only Microsoft Knowledge Base article that pertains to this issue,
Q311755, under the section on the NTFS file system, offers three "methods" to
fix the problem. The first, running RegEdit, can only work if you can get to
the command prompt -- but if you could run Windows in Safe Mode, you would
not be using this last resort from the setup disk in the first place. The
second method advises installing Windows in another partition; no thanks,
that is no easier than reinstalling the whole OS on the main partition. The
third method says to "use the original XP CDROM" (the one with the hologram),
not a copy. If the original can't be found, "look for the Asms folder. If
the folder is missing or the files that it contains are zero bytes, the
CD-ROM was not burned correctly. "

But as stated above, while an ASMS folder exists, there is no ASMS file,
even on the hologram copy of the XP Pro setup CD. That's why this third
solution fails.

I should mention that some XP users apparenntly have used the repair
function without receiving the "missing ASMS file" error. Please search on
"asms" and "repair" at this site to see complaints similar to yours, and to
follow the threads.

Even so, I know there has been defect in the XP setup CD at some time in the
past. It is evident Microsoft knows about the issue (since KB article
Q311755 acknowledges it), and I believe it is time Microsoft publicly
acknowledged this defect in their setup CD and offer some kind of workaround
for those who have been affected.

SLo
 
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Daave

losl said:
Yes I did scan my HD which is from Maxtor for error, I scanned it
with the diagnostic tool from Seagate/Maxtor without error. I
mentioned this in the last post in http://tinyurl.com/2bedts

Not yet.
I will consider this as my LAST option.

Further info:
I accessed the drive with Winternal's NTFSDOS Pro and all tests
reports no error.
I scanned the hd with manufacturer's (Seagate/maxtor) disk
utility reports no error.
Scanned ram (1024MB) with DocMemory dial tools reported no error.

It's possible that you're having intermittent problems with your hard
drive. I once saw a hard drive pass the Hitachi diagnostic test, but it
was nonetheless shot.
 
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Malke

losl said:
Thank you, Malke, for your response.

I came to another similar thread in this ng with heading "Repair Install"
dated 07/16/2007, by Tenshodoman. The 2nd response by David B, SWE is exactly
what i want to say here about this M$ OS. I just requote David's opinion here
for everyone.

(snip rather long thread about missing ASMS file)

This may be your situation but I have to tell you that I've done more
Repair Installs than I can count. I do computer repair/tech support for
a living and have done for many years, quite successfully. I have never
run into this issue. What I *have* run into is that often a Repair
Install will fail because 1) the original operating system is too
damaged to salvage and the Repair Install just can't fix it; 2) the
Repair Install fails because the hardware is bad.

I'm not trying to invalidate the experience of the poster whom you
quoted or you, but it is far likelier that your issue falls into one of
the two categories above. I don't have anything further to add to what
I've already said to you and since I don't respond to people who use the
term "M$" - because I think it is rude and childish, not because I am a
Microsoft evangelist - I'm out of this thread.

I'm sorry I was unable to help you and wish you the best of luck in
resolving your computer problems.

EOT for me,


Malke
 

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