POP3 Email

L

Liontamer

Since Outlok 2007 seems to work best with POP3 Email, I need to ask those of
you out their in this discussion group: Which one of the POP3 Email services
do you recommend? What is the reliablity and credibility of your choice or
choices?

Just as an aside, does any of you more informed people know why: Microsoft
developed Outlook 2007 and Hotmail, but did not make them compatible
regarding POP3? You see, I have Verizon with MSN and I use hotmail, but when
I attempt to use [Flags] or [Categories] in Outlook 2007 it doesn't work with
the hotmail, what I found out is an HTML protcol based service.

Moreover, there seems to be problems getting a hotmail account recognized
and operational in Outlook 2007. It seems you need a subscription with MSN.

I also started a discussion question under: "Registering a 2nd Email
Account?" on 1/12/2009 There you will find some more information on how I
even got around to asking this question regarding POP3 Email.

To all: have a great day.
 
H

Hal Hostetler [MVP-P/I]

All versions of Outlook were designed to be the primary email client for
Microsoft Exchange Server email systems. All other email systems/protocols
are secondary to this purpose and Hotmail falls into this category. As to
the best secondary service, I prefer IMAP to POP and I find Outlook 2007 to
be quite adequate for this purpose. It does not have quite the IMAP feature
set that, say, Windows Live Mail or Thunderbird has, but then, Outlook is
primarily an Exchange Server client; it is in this arena that Outlook's true
power comes out.

Hal
--
Hal Hostetler, CPBE -- (e-mail address removed)
Senior Engineer/MIS -- MS MVP-Print/Imaging -- WA7BGX
http://www.kvoa.com -- "When News breaks, we fix it!"
KVOA Television, Tucson, AZ. NBC Channel 4
Still Cadillacin' - www.badnewsbluesband.com
 
M

Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

In addition to what Hal said, you don't get to choose your POP3 provider as
that is a part of your ISPs offerings.

--
Milly Staples [MVP - Outlook]

Post all replies to the group to keep the discussion intact.
ALWAYS post your Outlook version.
How to ask a question: http://support.microsoft.com/KB/555375


After furious head scratching, Liontamer asked:

| Since Outlok 2007 seems to work best with POP3 Email, I need to ask
| those of you out their in this discussion group: Which one of the
| POP3 Email services do you recommend? What is the reliablity and
| credibility of your choice or choices?
|
| Just as an aside, does any of you more informed people know why:
| Microsoft developed Outlook 2007 and Hotmail, but did not make them
| compatible regarding POP3? You see, I have Verizon with MSN and I
| use hotmail, but when I attempt to use [Flags] or [Categories] in
| Outlook 2007 it doesn't work with the hotmail, what I found out is an
| HTML protcol based service.
|
| Moreover, there seems to be problems getting a hotmail account
| recognized and operational in Outlook 2007. It seems you need a
| subscription with MSN.
|
| I also started a discussion question under: "Registering a 2nd Email
| Account?" on 1/12/2009 There you will find some more information on
| how I even got around to asking this question regarding POP3 Email.
|
| To all: have a great day.
 
G

Gordon

Milly Staples said:
In addition to what Hal said, you don't get to choose your POP3 provider
as
that is a part of your ISPs offerings.


<sigh> Not necessarily at all. GMail does POP and is independent of any ISP.
The OP could have his or her own hosted domain and mailboxes, again totally
independent of whoever provides the Internet connection. There are many
choices.
 
R

Rod Rocket

With Regard to Hotmail. For some unfriendly reason Microsoft decided a few
years ago, that 'current' Hotmail users at the time could connect their
accounts to Outlook (Outlook 2000 onwards, perhaps? Someone can correct me),
but all new Hotmail users had to SUBSCRIBE - ie PAY MONEY - so the older ones
of us get Hotmail access for free, in Outlook, by setting up the account -v.
easy in Outlook 2007 - but new users cannot. Doesn't seem fair. I run
Office 2007 at home and work, so have Hotmail with alll my other mail
accounts, but my wife and daughter must use native (Browser) Hotmail instead
of Outlook.
 
L

Liontamer

Thank you for your input, however:
I am unfamiliar with: Microsoft Exchange Server email systems. I don't know
anything about this exhange server. So, any info on this would be
appreciated.

When you say: "All other email systems/protocols are secondary to this
purpose and Hotmail falls into this category." I take this to mean that
Outlook 2007 was primarily designed to work with the Microsoft Exchange
Server. So, I guess the next question to ask is: How do I get my email to
work with the Microsoft Exchange Server?

Since Hotmail falls in email systems/protocols that are secondary to the
Microsoft Exchange Server, I can conclude that no matter what I do with my
hotmail account that it will not work properly with Outlook 07. That is: it
will not be able to access the full 100% functionality of the Outlook 07
program. For example, this may explain why I don't see the [Flags] and
[Category] options on my hotmail emails. I believe this is correct. Please
respond?

Forgive me for taking your sentences apart, but you say: "As to the best
secondary service, I prefer IMAP to POP and I find Outlook 2007 to be quite
adequate for this purpose."

After what you said in your first paragraph: "All versions of Outlook were
designed to be the primary email client for Microsoft > Exchange Server email
systems. "--why would you want to use a secondary service?

Okay, I don't know how you'll answer that but, since you prefer IMAP to POP,
I must ask: What makes these two protocols so much different then one
another? What important factors are you considering in your choice?

And you say: "I find Outlook 2007 to be quite adequate for this purpose." I
am guessing that when you say "purpose" you're referring to: The ability to
realize the full 100% functionality of the Outlook 2007 program. Am I
correct?

You say: "It does not have quite the IMAP feature set that, say, Windows
Live Mail or Thunderbird has, but then, Outlook is primarily an Exchange
Server client; it is in this arena that Outlook's true power comes out."

What does "It" refer to in this sentence? Are you talking about Outlook 2007?

Is Windows Live Mail a Microsoft Exchange Server email system?

Who offers the Thunderbird email system? And does Thunderbird operate on
the Microsoft Exchange Server system? Or is this another secondary email
service which uses the full 100% functionality of Outlook 2007?

Thanks for trying Hal. Say hello to "Speedway" for me.


Hal Hostetler said:
All versions of Outlook were designed to be the primary email client for Microsoft > Exchange Server email systems. All other email systems/protocols
are secondary to this purpose and Hotmail falls into this category. As to
the best secondary service, I prefer IMAP to POP and I find Outlook 2007 to
be quite adequate for this purpose. It does not have quite the IMAP feature
set that, say, Windows Live Mail or Thunderbird has, but then, Outlook is
primarily an Exchange Server client; it is in this arena that Outlook's true
power comes out.

Hal
--
Hal Hostetler, CPBE -- (e-mail address removed)
Senior Engineer/MIS -- MS MVP-Print/Imaging -- WA7BGX
http://www.kvoa.com -- "When News breaks, we fix it!"
KVOA Television, Tucson, AZ. NBC Channel 4
Still Cadillacin' - www.badnewsbluesband.com

Liontamer said:
Since Outlok 2007 seems to work best with POP3 Email, I need to ask those
of
you out their in this discussion group: Which one of the POP3 Email
services
do you recommend? What is the reliablity and credibility of your choice
or
choices?

Just as an aside, does any of you more informed people know why: Microsoft
developed Outlook 2007 and Hotmail, but did not make them compatible
regarding POP3? You see, I have Verizon with MSN and I use hotmail, but
when
I attempt to use [Flags] or [Categories] in Outlook 2007 it doesn't work
with
the hotmail, what I found out is an HTML protcol based service.

Moreover, there seems to be problems getting a hotmail account recognized
and operational in Outlook 2007. It seems you need a subscription with
MSN.

I also started a discussion question under: "Registering a 2nd Email
Account?" on 1/12/2009 There you will find some more information on how I
even got around to asking this question regarding POP3 Email.

To all: have a great day.
 
L

Liontamer

Gordon, you say: "GMail does POP and is independent of any ISP."
Does this mean if you have a GMail account, that when you use your Outlook
2007 program, that you will get full 100% functionality of the Outlook 2007
program? Will I be able to use the [Flag] and [Category] options in Outlook
2007?

What does "OP" mean?

You say: "There are many choices." That is for POP3 Email services. Yes, I
have googled both: POP3 Email and Email based on POP3. The results are
enormous. And I wonder which service is best? Etc.
 
L

Liontamer

Well, Rod: all I can say in response is this. I agree with your use of the
word: "unfriendly." It just doesn't seem logical that this company made
Outlook 2007 and knows people also use Hotmail. We're talking millions of
people. So, how come this problem is not immediately addressed? If
[Categories] and [Flags] are available for use in Outlook 2007 then Hotmail
should be able to access those features too. It seems unfriendly to me that
Microsoft must know about this situation. But they've done nothing to my
knowledge thusfar to solve this discrepency. Amazing, isn't it?


Rod Rocket said:
With Regard to Hotmail. For some unfriendly reason Microsoft decided a few
years ago, that 'current' Hotmail users at the time could connect their
accounts to Outlook (Outlook 2000 onwards, perhaps? Someone can correct me),
but all new Hotmail users had to SUBSCRIBE - ie PAY MONEY - so the older ones
of us get Hotmail access for free, in Outlook, by setting up the account -v.
easy in Outlook 2007 - but new users cannot. Doesn't seem fair. I run
Office 2007 at home and work, so have Hotmail with alll my other mail
accounts, but my wife and daughter must use native (Browser) Hotmail instead
of Outlook.
--
Best Regards
Rod Rocket


Liontamer said:
Since Outlok 2007 seems to work best with POP3 Email, I need to ask those of
you out their in this discussion group: Which one of the POP3 Email services
do you recommend? What is the reliablity and credibility of your choice or
choices?

Just as an aside, does any of you more informed people know why: Microsoft
developed Outlook 2007 and Hotmail, but did not make them compatible
regarding POP3? You see, I have Verizon with MSN and I use hotmail, but when
I attempt to use [Flags] or [Categories] in Outlook 2007 it doesn't work with
the hotmail, what I found out is an HTML protcol based service.

Moreover, there seems to be problems getting a hotmail account recognized
and operational in Outlook 2007. It seems you need a subscription with MSN.

I also started a discussion question under: "Registering a 2nd Email
Account?" on 1/12/2009 There you will find some more information on how I
even got around to asking this question regarding POP3 Email.

To all: have a great day.
 
G

Gordon

Liontamer said:
Gordon, you say: "GMail does POP and is independent of any ISP."
Does this mean if you have a GMail account, that when you use your Outlook
2007 program, that you will get full 100% functionality of the Outlook
2007
program? Will I be able to use the [Flag] and [Category] options in
Outlook
2007?

Absolutely if you set it up as POP. (IMAP doesn't have quite the same
functionality)

What does "OP" mean?

"Original Poster" or "Original Post"...
You say: "There are many choices." That is for POP3 Email services. Yes,
I
have googled both: POP3 Email and Email based on POP3. The results are
enormous. And I wonder which service is best? Etc.

Try them. GMail is free.
 
B

Brian Tillman [MVP - Outlook]

Since Outlok 2007 seems to work best with POP3 Email, I need to ask those
of
you out their in this discussion group: Which one of the POP3 Email
services
do you recommend? What is the reliablity and credibility of your choice
or
choices?

I like gmail for my free accounts and Yahoo for my paid accounts. Both seem
quite reliable to me.
Just as an aside, does any of you more informed people know why: Microsoft
developed Outlook 2007 and Hotmail, but did not make them compatible
regarding POP3?

But they are IF you use POP to get MSN mail.
You see, I have Verizon with MSN and I use hotmail, but when
I attempt to use [Flags] or [Categories] in Outlook 2007 it doesn't work
with
the hotmail, what I found out is an HTML protcol based service.

Sounds like you're actually using the Outlook Connector, which is not POP.
Moreover, there seems to be problems getting a hotmail account recognized
and operational in Outlook 2007. It seems you need a subscription with
MSN.

For POP access, of course.
 
L

Liontamer

Thank you for your input Brian. Parts of it seems to be good suggestions.
However, I am still exploring the solutions to my problems getting Outlook 07
and Hotmail account provided to me with Verizon Online DSL with MSN
(Butterfly) to work properly.

This has been a practically never ending quest to get tech support, from
people working in that capacity, to provide answers that work. I am very
much disappointed with the treatment which Verizon Tech Support gives its
customers. When things get difficult for their tech support people, they
seem to pull the plug on the call. This throws you back to square one. It
is super poor customer service for a company this big. I will solve this
problem. ...

Brian Tillman said:
Since Outlok 2007 seems to work best with POP3 Email, I need to ask those
of
you out their in this discussion group: Which one of the POP3 Email
services
do you recommend? What is the reliablity and credibility of your choice
or
choices?

I like gmail for my free accounts and Yahoo for my paid accounts. Both seem
quite reliable to me.
Just as an aside, does any of you more informed people know why: Microsoft
developed Outlook 2007 and Hotmail, but did not make them compatible
regarding POP3?

But they are IF you use POP to get MSN mail.
You see, I have Verizon with MSN and I use hotmail, but when
I attempt to use [Flags] or [Categories] in Outlook 2007 it doesn't work
with
the hotmail, what I found out is an HTML protcol based service.

Sounds like you're actually using the Outlook Connector, which is not POP.
Moreover, there seems to be problems getting a hotmail account recognized
and operational in Outlook 2007. It seems you need a subscription with
MSN.

For POP access, of course.
 
N

N. Miller

Thank you for your input, however:
I am unfamiliar with: Microsoft Exchange Server email systems. I don't know
anything about this exhange server. So, any info on this would be
appreciated.

Microsoft Exchange Server is a comprehensive electronic messaging system,
which includes an email server:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Exchange_Server
When you say: "All other email systems/protocols are secondary to this
purpose and Hotmail falls into this category." I take this to mean that
Outlook 2007 was primarily designed to work with the Microsoft Exchange
Server. So, I guess the next question to ask is: How do I get my email to
work with the Microsoft Exchange Server?

You don't. Microsoft Exchange Server is a product, and is generally used in
an enterprise environment (i.e., a business). It costs money to obtain, and
requires a level of expertise beyond that which most end users have. And is
probably overkill for a single user, anyway.
Since Hotmail falls in email systems/protocols that are secondary to the
Microsoft Exchange Server, I can conclude that no matter what I do with my
hotmail account that it will not work properly with Outlook 07. That is: it
will not be able to access the full 100% functionality of the Outlook 07
program. For example, this may explain why I don't see the [Flags] and
[Category] options on my hotmail emails. I believe this is correct. Please
respond?

From other posts you have made, your Hotmail account is part of a package
with an "ISP+MSN" service (in your case, Verizon MSN). That is a little
different from the Windows Live (formerly MSN) Hotmail service. And only
those with an ISP+MSN service (Qwest is the only other major ISP I know of
with an MSN partnership) would know how to make things work.
Forgive me for taking your sentences apart, but you say: "As to the best
secondary service, I prefer IMAP to POP and I find Outlook 2007 to be quite
adequate for this purpose."

Many email services are third party services (AOL Mail, Fastmail, Gmail,
GMX, MyRealBox, and Yahoo! are examples), and others are provided directly
by ISPs. Most offer POP3 email service, such as AT&T, Charter, Comcast, Cox,
Embarq, and Road Runner. Some, such as AOL Mail, Fastmail and Gmail offer
IMAP service.
After what you said in your first paragraph: "All versions of Outlook were
designed to be the primary email client for Microsoft > Exchange Server email
systems. "--why would you want to use a secondary service?

More email service providers use Unix based mail servers than use Microsoft
Exchange. It isn't about "secondary" service, but which service use what
mail servers. Few providers, outside of a business environment, run
Microsoft Exchange Server.
Okay, I don't know how you'll answer that but, since you prefer IMAP to POP,
I must ask: What makes these two protocols so much different then one
another? What important factors are you considering in your choice?

POP3 service defaults to downloading email from the server to the client.
And, once downloaded from the server, the email is deleted from the server
(unless the client is configured to leave it on the server; and even then,
the server can ignore a client request to not delete downloaded email).

IMAP service holds the email on the server, and downloads copies to the
client. The process is called, "synchronization", and basically copies the
contents of the server to the client. If email is deleted from the client,
it will be deleted from the server.

IMAP is preferably for people who want to access email from multiple
locations, using multiple server. I have an AOL Mail account, in the
'netscape.net' domain. I can set up a client on any computer, anywhere I go,
to access this account. Whatever email is on the server, I will be able to
read it from such clients.

POP3 is useful for people who want to store email locally, on their
computers, and don't need to access their accounts from any other computer
in any other location in the world.
You say: "It does not have quite the IMAP feature set that, say, Windows
Live Mail or Thunderbird has, but then, Outlook is primarily an Exchange
Server client; it is in this arena that Outlook's true power comes out."

What does "It" refer to in this sentence? Are you talking about Outlook 2007?

Depends upon which sentence. In the first case, "it" is Microsoft Outlook
2007. In the second case, "it" refers to the components of Outlook available
in an Exchange environment.
Is Windows Live Mail a Microsoft Exchange Server email system?

Not that I know of.
Who offers the Thunderbird email system?

AFAIK, Thunderbird is not an "email system", but an email client developed
by the Mozilla Foundation:

http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/thunderbird/
And does Thunderbird operate on the Microsoft Exchange Server system?

To the extent that a Microsoft Exchange Server implements IMAP and SMTP
services, Thunderbird will work with an Exchange system. But only MS Oulook
will take full advantage of the available Exchange services.
Or is this another secondary email service which uses the full 100%
functionality of Outlook 2007?

To use MS Outlook 2007 to the fullest would require an email service which
uses the Microsoft Exchange Server. Not all email service providers use MS
Exchange; and I'd guess that most use a Unix based server instead of MS
Exchange.

Any email client used with an MS Exchange Server would need to be aware of
the extra components provide by the Exchange Server; most clients not made
by Microsoft (and some made by Microsoft) can not use an Exchange server to
the fullest capacity.
 
B

Brian Tillman [MVP - Outlook]

Thank you for your input Brian. Parts of it seems to be good suggestions.
However, I am still exploring the solutions to my problems getting Outlook
07
and Hotmail account provided to me with Verizon Online DSL with MSN
(Butterfly) to work properly.

Can you supply the instructions they've given you so far? We may be able to
point out any flaws they contain.
 
L

Liontamer

To all my friends and helpers: Thank you!
Now, please understand, I have been trying to find an exact solution to this
problem for over a month now. I'm just so disappointed with the so called
Tech Support people I've spoken to for example at: Verizon Online DSL, MSN,
Windows Live Hotmail, blah blah blah. There has got to be a solution to this
problem.

For those of you MVP's out there reading this post--please read my entire
discussion with Windows Live Hotmail Solution Center. My posts are under the
sign in name of Monkeydo. (Hey, since I needed to set up some kind of
Windows Live account, I figured I'd use a runner up name of Monkeydo.
Afterall, there only can be one Liontamer.) Please smile, because you're
about to read a long discussion if you choose to investigate this further.
My posts with Windows Live Hotmail Solution Center started on 01/29/09 and
02/06/09. Titled: Using Office Prof 2007...

If you go there then you'll get a taste of the kind of nonsense I've been
through with these so called tech support people. It's really not fair how
so many support people attempt or actually "pass-the-buck (or problem)" on to
other tech support teams. This, as I'm sure so many people will agree, is a
common practice amoung tech support. How disappointing this is. We deserve
better. For "crying-out-loud" tech support people need to take
responsibility for problems from start to finish. And good trainers need to
always remember what it was like being a student!

The way into Windows Live Hotmail Solution Center is: Open your Hotmail
email account > At the Home page > At the lower right under Windows Live Team
Blog select [more] >under talk to us select [Ask for Help] > select [Windows
Live Hotmail] -- you'll arrive at: Welcome to The Hotmail Online Solution
Center. Then look for my posts (see above).

If you decide to go there then get yourself a cup of coffee, sit down, and
read through all the posts. You'll learn alot about my experience, and what
I've done so far to solve this problem. And please selected the check box
"Notify me of replies" so we can stay in touch about this problem herein.
Thank you.
 
L

Liontamer

This post is now being continued on a new post dated: 2/7/2009. Thank you.
Title of Post: POP3 Email (continued from 1/17/2009)

Liontamer said:
To all my friends and helpers: Thank you!
Now, please understand, I have been trying to find an exact solution to this
problem for over a month now. I'm just so disappointed with the so called
Tech Support people I've spoken to for example at: Verizon Online DSL, MSN,
Windows Live Hotmail, blah blah blah. There has got to be a solution to this
problem.

For those of you MVP's out there reading this post--please read my entire
discussion with Windows Live Hotmail Solution Center. My posts are under the
sign in name of Monkeydo. (Hey, since I needed to set up some kind of
Windows Live account, I figured I'd use a runner up name of Monkeydo.
Afterall, there only can be one Liontamer.) Please smile, because you're
about to read a long discussion if you choose to investigate this further.
My posts with Windows Live Hotmail Solution Center started on 01/29/09 and
02/06/09. Titled: Using Office Prof 2007...

If you go there then you'll get a taste of the kind of nonsense I've been
through with these so called tech support people. It's really not fair how
so many support people attempt or actually "pass-the-buck (or problem)" on to
other tech support teams. This, as I'm sure so many people will agree, is a
common practice amoung tech support. How disappointing this is. We deserve
better. For "crying-out-loud" tech support people need to take
responsibility for problems from start to finish. And good trainers need to
always remember what it was like being a student!

The way into Windows Live Hotmail Solution Center is: Open your Hotmail
email account > At the Home page > At the lower right under Windows Live Team
Blog select [more] >under talk to us select [Ask for Help] > select [Windows
Live Hotmail] -- you'll arrive at: Welcome to The Hotmail Online Solution
Center. Then look for my posts (see above).

If you decide to go there then get yourself a cup of coffee, sit down, and
read through all the posts. You'll learn alot about my experience, and what
I've done so far to solve this problem. And please selected the check box
"Notify me of replies" so we can stay in touch about this problem herein.
Thank you.


Brian Tillman said:
Can you supply the instructions they've given you so far? We may be able to
point out any flaws they contain.
 

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