Pirated Software Question

C

Clayton

I run a computer business and have had someone ring me about a problem on
their computer, I arrived to their business premises to fix the problem and
while I was working on their computer I realised that they have a pirated
copy on Windows XP Pro which has been updated to SP-2, I've advised the
customer of this and told them if they want to be compliant they will need
to purchase the operating system which they have decided to do, the cd key
that has installed the software is a known corporate key from a list of
banned keys from Microsoft.
My question is can I install the Windows XP Pro SP-2 OEM on this computer
over the top of this install and use the legal key number? or can I easily
change the CD Key and activate? which I think will not work as the
activation has been remove from the corporate version? so what's my best
angle of sorting this problem out?

Cheers
 
J

Jupiter Jones [MVP]

Such as is normally purchased with a piece of hardware as a hard drive or
memory stick.
As opposed to OEM supplied with Dell, Compaq, HP etc.
 
C

Clayton

Oh, I can purchase OEM CD's from my supplier when I build new computers, I
actually rang Microsoft about this and they said they will grant me a OEM
install on this condition but I will need to format and reinstall, I ask why
and they said that this is the only way you can do it, only way in
licensing? or only way possible? who knows, he had to go and check a few
times, hence the reason why I posted here.

Sad news about Alex Nichol :-(
 
M

Mike Brannigan [MSFT]

Clayton said:
Oh, I can purchase OEM CD's from my supplier when I build new computers, I
actually rang Microsoft about this and they said they will grant me a OEM
install on this condition but I will need to format and reinstall, I ask
why and they said that this is the only way you can do it, only way in
licensing? or only way possible? who knows, he had to go and check a few
times, hence the reason why I posted here.

Clayton,

OEM products are for installation to a clean hard drive or partition only.
If you wish to do a repair install to fix this pirated software issue you
need to use a retail product otherwise a clean install using OEM media and
key

--

Regards,

Mike
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J

Jim Macklin

Further explain on this, OEM CDs do not have the software
upgrade install program, it can only do a clean install or a
repair of the same system.


"Mike Brannigan [MSFT]" <[email protected]>
wrote in message
| | > Oh, I can purchase OEM CD's from my supplier when I
build new computers, I
| > actually rang Microsoft about this and they said they
will grant me a OEM
| > install on this condition but I will need to format and
reinstall, I ask
| > why and they said that this is the only way you can do
it, only way in
| > licensing? or only way possible? who knows, he had to go
and check a few
| > times, hence the reason why I posted here.
|
| Clayton,
|
| OEM products are for installation to a clean hard drive or
partition only.
| If you wish to do a repair install to fix this pirated
software issue you
| need to use a retail product otherwise a clean install
using OEM media and
| key
|
| --
|
| Regards,
|
| Mike
| --
| Mike Brannigan [Microsoft]
|
| This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
confers no
| rights
|
| Please note I cannot respond to e-mailed questions, please
use these
| newsgroups
|
| | > Oh, I can purchase OEM CD's from my supplier when I
build new computers, I
| > actually rang Microsoft about this and they said they
will grant me a OEM
| > install on this condition but I will need to format and
reinstall, I ask
| > why and they said that this is the only way you can do
it, only way in
| > licensing? or only way possible? who knows, he had to go
and check a few
| > times, hence the reason why I posted here.
| >
| > Sad news about Alex Nichol :-(
| >
| >
| >
| > "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <[email protected]>
wrote in message
| > | >> Such as is normally purchased with a piece of hardware
as a hard drive or
| >> memory stick.
| >> As opposed to OEM supplied with Dell, Compaq, HP etc.
| >>
| >> --
| >> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
| >> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
| >> In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol
| >> http://www.dts-l.org
| >>
| >>
| >> | >>> Generic OEM? whats that? it will be a genuine OEM copy
from my supplier
| >>>
| >>>
| >>>
| >>> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <[email protected]>
wrote in message
| >>> | >>>> Clayton;
| >>>> With retail Windows XP, a Repair Installation using
the legitimate CD
| >>>> and Key will do it:
| >>>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/repaxp.htm
| >>>> You can try it with the OEM as long as it is the
generic OEM.
| >>>>
| >>>> --
| >>>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
| >>>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
| >>>> In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol
| >>>> http://www.dts-l.org
| >>>>
| >>>>
message
| >>>> | >>>>>I run a computer business and have had someone ring
me about a problem
| >>>>>on their computer, I arrived to their business
premises to fix the
| >>>>>problem and while I was working on their computer I
realised that they
| >>>>>have a pirated copy on Windows XP Pro which has been
updated to SP-2,
| >>>>>I've advised the customer of this and told them if
they want to be
| >>>>>compliant they will need to purchase the operating
system which they
| >>>>>have decided to do, the cd key that has installed the
software is a
| >>>>>known corporate key from a list of banned keys from
Microsoft.
| >>>>> My question is can I install the Windows XP Pro SP-2
OEM on this
| >>>>> computer over the top of this install and use the
legal key number? or
| >>>>> can I easily change the CD Key and activate? which I
think will not
| >>>>> work as the activation has been remove from the
corporate version? so
| >>>>> what's my best angle of sorting this problem out?
| >>>>>
| >>>>> Cheers
| >>>>>
| >>>>>
| >>>>
| >>>>
| >>>
| >>>
| >>
| >>
| >
| >
|
|
 
C

Clayton

Ok thanks, looks like I will need to backup data, format and reinstall


Jim Macklin said:
Further explain on this, OEM CDs do not have the software
upgrade install program, it can only do a clean install or a
repair of the same system.


"Mike Brannigan [MSFT]" <[email protected]>
wrote in message
| | > Oh, I can purchase OEM CD's from my supplier when I
build new computers, I
| > actually rang Microsoft about this and they said they
will grant me a OEM
| > install on this condition but I will need to format and
reinstall, I ask
| > why and they said that this is the only way you can do
it, only way in
| > licensing? or only way possible? who knows, he had to go
and check a few
| > times, hence the reason why I posted here.
|
| Clayton,
|
| OEM products are for installation to a clean hard drive or
partition only.
| If you wish to do a repair install to fix this pirated
software issue you
| need to use a retail product otherwise a clean install
using OEM media and
| key
|
| --
|
| Regards,
|
| Mike
| --
| Mike Brannigan [Microsoft]
|
| This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and
confers no
| rights
|
| Please note I cannot respond to e-mailed questions, please
use these
| newsgroups
|
| | > Oh, I can purchase OEM CD's from my supplier when I
build new computers, I
| > actually rang Microsoft about this and they said they
will grant me a OEM
| > install on this condition but I will need to format and
reinstall, I ask
| > why and they said that this is the only way you can do
it, only way in
| > licensing? or only way possible? who knows, he had to go
and check a few
| > times, hence the reason why I posted here.
| >
| > Sad news about Alex Nichol :-(
| >
| >
| >
| > "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <[email protected]>
wrote in message
| > | >> Such as is normally purchased with a piece of hardware
as a hard drive or
| >> memory stick.
| >> As opposed to OEM supplied with Dell, Compaq, HP etc.
| >>
| >> --
| >> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
| >> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
| >> In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol
| >> http://www.dts-l.org
| >>
| >>
| >> | >>> Generic OEM? whats that? it will be a genuine OEM copy
from my supplier
| >>>
| >>>
| >>>
| >>> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <[email protected]>
wrote in message
| >>> | >>>> Clayton;
| >>>> With retail Windows XP, a Repair Installation using
the legitimate CD
| >>>> and Key will do it:
| >>>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/repaxp.htm
| >>>> You can try it with the OEM as long as it is the
generic OEM.
| >>>>
| >>>> --
| >>>> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
| >>>> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
| >>>> In memory of our dear friend, MVP Alex Nichol
| >>>> http://www.dts-l.org
| >>>>
| >>>>
message
| >>>> | >>>>>I run a computer business and have had someone ring
me about a problem
| >>>>>on their computer, I arrived to their business
premises to fix the
| >>>>>problem and while I was working on their computer I
realised that they
| >>>>>have a pirated copy on Windows XP Pro which has been
updated to SP-2,
| >>>>>I've advised the customer of this and told them if
they want to be
| >>>>>compliant they will need to purchase the operating
system which they
| >>>>>have decided to do, the cd key that has installed the
software is a
| >>>>>known corporate key from a list of banned keys from
Microsoft.
| >>>>> My question is can I install the Windows XP Pro SP-2
OEM on this
| >>>>> computer over the top of this install and use the
legal key number? or
| >>>>> can I easily change the CD Key and activate? which I
think will not
| >>>>> work as the activation has been remove from the
corporate version? so
| >>>>> what's my best angle of sorting this problem out?
| >>>>>
| >>>>> Cheers
| >>>>>
| >>>>>
| >>>>
| >>>>
| >>>
| >>>
| >>
| >>
| >
| >
|
|
 
M

Michael Stevens

In
Clayton said:
Oh, I can purchase OEM CD's from my supplier when I build new
computers, I actually rang Microsoft about this and they said they
will grant me a OEM install on this condition but I will need to
format and reinstall, I ask why and they said that this is the only
way you can do it, only way in licensing? or only way possible? who
knows, he had to go and check a few times, hence the reason why I
posted here.
Sad news about Alex Nichol :-(

Clayton,
See the Repair Install option in the link below.
Click on the link below, or copy and paste the link into the address box
if using the web based newsgroup.
I need to change my XP Product KEY #18 on the FAQ list
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/xpfaq.html
--
Michael Stevens MS-MVP XP
(e-mail address removed)
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com
For a better newsgroup experience. Setup a newsreader.
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/outlookexpressnewreader.htm
 
K

kurttrail

Clayton said:
Ok thanks, looks like I will need to backup data, format and reinstall


And then try the repair install. I see no real licensing reason why you
shouldn't go that route, just another post-EULA arbitrary policy of MS.
MS has more policies about what you can and can't do that are totally
outside of the EULA than is actually written in the EULA.

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M

Mike Brannigan [MSFT]

kurttrail said:
And then try the repair install. I see no real licensing reason why you
shouldn't go that route, just another post-EULA arbitrary policy of MS. MS
has more policies about what you can and can't do that are totally outside
of the EULA than is actually written in the EULA.

Actually Kurt he does not need to do a repair install as he is going to
back-up and reinstall using his OEM media (as he has purchased that to may
his pirated copy legal), so there is no need to repair anything
This has nothing to do with EULA issues.

--

Regards,

Mike
--
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This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
rights

Please note I cannot respond to e-mailed questions, please use these
newsgroups
 
K

kurttrail

Mike said:
Actually Kurt he does not need to do a repair install as he is going
to back-up and reinstall using his OEM media (as he has purchased
that to may his pirated copy legal), so there is no need to repair
anything This has nothing to do with EULA issues.

Actually Mike, he can save him and his customer time by doing the repair
install, instead of doing a complete clean install.

"My question is can I install the Windows XP Pro SP-2 OEM on this
computer
over the top of this install and use the legal key number?"

--
Peace!
Kurt
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M

Mikey

Clayton said:
I run a computer business and have had someone ring me about a problem on
their computer, I arrived to their business premises to fix the problem and
while I was working on their computer I realised that they have a pirated
copy on Windows XP Pro which has been updated to SP-2, I've advised the
customer of this and told them if they want to be compliant they will need
to purchase the operating system which they have decided to do, the cd key
that has installed the software is a known corporate key from a list of
banned keys from Microsoft.
My question is can I install the Windows XP Pro SP-2 OEM on this computer
over the top of this install and use the legal key number? or can I easily
change the CD Key and activate? which I think will not work as the
activation has been remove from the corporate version? so what's my best
angle of sorting this problem out?

Cheers

I don't have any advice for Clayton, but I'm curious about something.
Maybe someone knows the answer.
He wrote that it's a pirated copy of XP with a pirated CD key on a
banned list of pirated keys known by Microsoft. I thought that these
pirated copies would not be able to be updated to SP2, yet Clayton
wrote that it has been. Can pirated copies of XP be updated to SP2?
 
K

kurttrail

Mike said:
That question was answered earlier in the thread - you can either use
a Retail CD to do the repair install or do a clean install with an
OEM one.


And why, pray tell, can he not do a repair install with an OEM CD for
his customer?

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B

Bruce Chambers

kurttrail said:
And why, pray tell, can he not do a repair install with an OEM CD for
his customer?


Because OEM CDs are designed specifically to perform clean
installations, and cannot perform an "in-place upgrade," which is what a
repair installation really is.


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A

Airman QPD

Why not try the repair install, and if no joy, you can always wipe it
out and start fresh?
 
K

kurttrail

Bruce said:
Because OEM CDs are designed specifically to perform clean
installations, and cannot perform an "in-place upgrade," which is
what a repair installation really is.

Hmm, so are you saying that a repair install with OEM CD won't work?

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R

R. McCarty

Huh ? - I purchase OEM XP (Pro & Home) packets from
my local distributor & have used them numerous times to do
a "Repair" install. They won't offer an upgrade option if they
are autoplayed on an older Microsoft OS, but booted from
they do provide the Repair option.
 
R

Ron Martell

Bruce Chambers said:
Because OEM CDs are designed specifically to perform clean
installations, and cannot perform an "in-place upgrade," which is what a
repair installation really is.

Generic OEM CDs (which is what the o.p. was talking about) can do a
Repair Install. However they may repeat may refuse to do the Repair
Install if the existing installed copy is not also an OEM version. I
am not 100% certain of this as I have never tried doing this.

But I have done repair installs on numerous occasions using generic
OEM CDs to repair systems that were originally installed from those
same CDs.


Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
--
Microsoft MVP
On-Line Help Computer Service
http://onlinehelp.bc.ca

In memory of a dear friend Alex Nichol MVP
http://aumha.org/alex.htm
 

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