Pirated Software Question

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In message <42404A36.59749485@Not_There_Either.nope> Mikey
I don't have any advice for Clayton, but I'm curious about something.
Maybe someone knows the answer.
He wrote that it's a pirated copy of XP with a pirated CD key on a
banned list of pirated keys known by Microsoft. I thought that these
pirated copies would not be able to be updated to SP2, yet Clayton
wrote that it has been. Can pirated copies of XP be updated to SP2?

All the known pirate keys were blocked when SP2 was released, but any
subsequently released corporate keys will update to SP2 (although
perhaps not beyond)
 
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kurttrail

R. McCarty said:
Huh ? - I purchase OEM XP (Pro & Home) packets from
my local distributor & have used them numerous times to do
a "Repair" install. They won't offer an upgrade option if they
are autoplayed on an older Microsoft OS, but booted from
they do provide the Repair option.

That has been my experience too. Bruce and Mike B. seem to be implying
that a repair install won't work in the OP's situation, and I'm trying
to get them to stand up like men and explain themselves.

I don't know what the friggin' big deal is with saying outright, what
they are tiptoeing around by vague implications.

Either a repair install will or won't work in the OP's situation, they
should stop with the vageries, and give the OP a definitive answer.

Will the repair install work for the OP in his & his customer's
situation? Yes or No?! Can either Bruce or Mike B. be man enough to
give a simple & direct answer?

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Kerry Brown

kurttrail said:
That has been my experience too. Bruce and Mike B. seem to be implying
that a repair install won't work in the OP's situation, and I'm trying to
get them to stand up like men and explain themselves.

I don't know what the friggin' big deal is with saying outright, what they
are tiptoeing around by vague implications.

Either a repair install will or won't work in the OP's situation, they
should stop with the vageries, and give the OP a definitive answer.

Will the repair install work for the OP in his & his customer's situation?
Yes or No?! Can either Bruce or Mike B. be man enough to give a simple &
direct answer?

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I think the answer is: No one knows for sure. It's worth a try and will
probably work but so far it looks like no one has actually tried it. I have
gone the other way OEM to volume license but never volume to OEM. I do know
for sure that the OEM repair console works on a volume install. Would be
nice to hear back from the OP as to whether it works. It would be a nice
option to offer in similar circumstances.

Kerry
 
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Mike Brannigan [MSFT]

As has already been covered a generic OEM CD will in most cases allow a
repair install of its own installation.
In the case of the OP he has also been addressed - a clean install using his
OEM CD or a repair install using a retail CD are his options.


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Mike Brannigan [MSFT]

Kurt,

By the way - this is a peer to peer support newsgroup.
If you want a definite final and absolute answer the OP should raise a
product support call - which will be at his expense as he has a pirated XP
and an OEM CD to replace it - neither of which entitles you to any free
product support direct from Microsoft.

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Michael Stevens

In
kurttrail said:
That has been my experience too. Bruce and Mike B. seem to be
implying that a repair install won't work in the OP's situation, and
I'm trying to get them to stand up like men and explain themselves.

I don't know what the friggin' big deal is with saying outright, what
they are tiptoeing around by vague implications.

Either a repair install will or won't work in the OP's situation, they
should stop with the vageries, and give the OP a definitive answer.

Will the repair install work for the OP in his & his customer's
situation? Yes or No?! Can either Bruce or Mike B. be man enough to
give a simple & direct answer?

See my repair install option on the link below. It has a way to use the OEM
XP Pro to do the repair install.
Click on the link below, or copy and paste the link into the address box
if using the web based newsgroup.
I need to change my XP Product KEY #18 on the FAQ list
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/xpfaq.html
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kurttrail

Mike said:
As has already been covered a generic OEM CD will in most cases allow
a repair install of its own installation.
In the case of the OP he has also been addressed - a clean install
using his OEM CD or a repair install using a retail CD are his
options.


OMG! Why can't you give a friggin' straight answer? What the hell are
you trying to cover up?

So are you saying that the OEM repair install WILL NOT work in this
instance, of changing a pirated VL copy into a legit OEM version? Yes
or No!

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kurttrail

Mike said:
Kurt,

By the way - this is a peer to peer support newsgroup.

And you are a MS employee that won't give a straight answer.
If you want a definite final and absolute answer the OP should raise a
product support call - which will be at his expense as he has a
pirated XP and an OEM CD to replace it - neither of which entitles
you to any free product support direct from Microsoft.


LOL! Like MS support techs give a same answer every time to every
question! What is the big deal about giving a straight answer? If you
don't know the actual answer, be man enough to admit it.

Will a repair install work to change a pirated VL install into a legit
OEM install? Yes, No, or I don't know?

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Ron Martell

kurttrail said:
OMG! Why can't you give a friggin' straight answer? What the hell are
you trying to cover up?

So are you saying that the OEM repair install WILL NOT work in this
instance, of changing a pirated VL copy into a legit OEM version? Yes
or No!

What Mike was saying is that an OEM CD will *only* do a repair install
of an OEM installation. Period. As the installation in question was
made from a volume license CD the repair install will fail, according
to Mike.


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Clayton

Finally decided to put in the OEM CD to perform a repair installation,
(after backing up their data) offcourse, I only had the option of "Full
Installation" which I proceeded with and once it completed the install all
programs installed prior to this were gone but they still appeared in the
program files directory, My Documents were wiped out and at that point told
the customer I would prefer doing a format and reinstallation, because what
I just did, didn't look right.
So the question is NO you can not do a repair install using OEM from a
Retail or CORP version of windows.
 
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R. McCarty

I just setup a test case with a Virtual PC instance of an XP Pro VLK.
I inserted a OEM XP Professional disk. It autoplayed, and I checked
Install Windows XP. It immediately posted a warning that an upgrade
isn't supported, and toggled the mode to New install. I clicked continue
the installer ran and prompted for the OEM Product Key. Afterwards
it copied the installer modules and started a reboot. On reboot, I went
through the process to reach the Repair install option. Files copied &
the Repair install completed - but an Activation was required. So you
can do a Repair install on a VLK install, but a product key for the OEM
disk is required.
I didn't try a VLK to OEM Repair booting straight to the OEM Disk,
but would assume it would function the same.
 
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Michael Stevens

In
Clayton said:
Finally decided to put in the OEM CD to perform a repair installation,
(after backing up their data) offcourse, I only had the option of
"Full Installation" which I proceeded with and once it completed the
install all programs installed prior to this were gone but they still
appeared in the program files directory, My Documents were wiped out
and at that point told the customer I would prefer doing a format and
reinstallation, because what I just did, didn't look right.
So the question is NO you can not do a repair install using OEM from
a Retail or CORP version of windows.

You should have tried my work around in the link I provided.
It's in the repair install option.
Click on the link below, or copy and paste the link into the address box
if using the web based newsgroup.
I need to change my XP Product KEY #18 on the FAQ list
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/xpfaq.html
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R. McCarty

Definitely works - Thanks.

Michael Stevens said:
In

You should have tried my work around in the link I provided.
It's in the repair install option.
Click on the link below, or copy and paste the link into the address box
if using the web based newsgroup.
I need to change my XP Product KEY #18 on the FAQ list
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/xpfaq.html
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Clayton

It was to late Michael to try your suggestion as I had already started prior
to your posting, I will it next time, no doubt there will be a next time.
I've had a look at your site at #18 so what I could have done was do a
repair install using the OEM key? I don't think it even gave me the option
to repair, but mind you I started running the install from within windows
which proberly wasn't the correct way to do it, should have booted from the
CD huh?

cheers
Clayton
 
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kurttrail

Ron said:
What Mike was saying is that an OEM CD will *only* do a repair install
of an OEM installation. Period. As the installation in question was
made from a volume license CD the repair install will fail, according
to Mike.

That is an assumption on your part. Mike did not say that, in fact, he
tried his damnedest not to say that directly.

Why he is trying to imply such a disingenuous answer is beyond me.

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Michael Stevens

In
R. McCarty said:
I just setup a test case with a Virtual PC instance of an XP Pro VLK.
I inserted a OEM XP Professional disk. It autoplayed, and I checked
Install Windows XP. It immediately posted a warning that an upgrade
isn't supported, and toggled the mode to New install. I clicked
continue the installer ran and prompted for the OEM Product Key.
Afterwards it copied the installer modules and started a reboot. On
reboot, I
went through the process to reach the Repair install option. Files
copied & the Repair install completed - but an Activation was
required. So you can do a Repair install on a VLK install, but a
product key for the OEM disk is required.
I didn't try a VLK to OEM Repair booting straight to the OEM Disk,
but would assume it would function the same.

Yep, I have had this information on my web site for months.
See the Repair Install option in the link below.

I need to change my XP Product KEY #18 on the FAQ list
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/xpfaq.html

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Posted the link last night
Ron Martell said:
kurttrail said:
Mike Brannigan [MSFT] wrote:
As has already been covered a generic OEM CD will in most cases
allow a repair install of its own installation.
In the case of the OP he has also been addressed - a clean install
using his OEM CD or a repair install using a retail CD are his
options.


OMG! Why can't you give a friggin' straight answer? What the hell
are you trying to cover up?

So are you saying that the OEM repair install WILL NOT work in this
instance, of changing a pirated VL copy into a legit OEM version? Yes or
No!

What Mike was saying is that an OEM CD will *only* do a repair
install of an OEM installation. Period. As the installation in
question was made from a volume license CD the repair install will
fail, according to Mike.


Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
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Microsoft MVP
On-Line Help Computer Service
http://onlinehelp.bc.ca

In memory of a dear friend Alex Nichol MVP
http://aumha.org/alex.htm
 
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kurttrail

Clayton said:
It was to late Michael to try your suggestion as I had already
started prior to your posting, I will it next time, no doubt there
will be a next time. I've had a look at your site at #18 so what I
could have done was do a repair install using the OEM key? I don't
think it even gave me the option to repair, but mind you I started
running the install from within windows which proberly wasn't the
correct way to do it, should have booted from the CD huh?

Did you boot up with the OEM CD or did you try to do the OEM install
from within Windows XP?

It sounds like you started the OEM install process from within Windows
to me.

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Michael Stevens

In
Clayton said:
It was to late Michael to try your suggestion as I had already
started prior to your posting, I will it next time, no doubt there
will be a next time. I've had a look at your site at #18 so what I
could have done was do a repair install using the OEM key? I don't
think it even gave me the option to repair, but mind you I started
running the install from within windows which proberly wasn't the
correct way to do it, should have booted from the CD huh?

cheers
Clayton

No, you should read the step by step. You start from Windows take new
install and choose to set location after reboot and the repair install will
be an option. Read the step by step. It is very easy to follow.

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Clayton

Yes I did, but realised afterwards I should have booted it. we are learning
all the time and I should have know that!!
 

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