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David

Hi Anna,

{Ref: all the previous discussions re Dual-Removable HDs for backup}

Yesterday I went in to the local "WeBuildIt" place, with my requirements,
which included dual removable hard drives. The chap says, "aw, you don't
really need two RHDs to do what you are trying to do -- with good imaging
software and changes to your BIOS (to set the boot source(?)), you can do
that easily with *one* RHD and one internal HD."

Well, I wasn't clever enough or quick enough to defend my position, so I
said I'd get back to him. I am still convinced by all of your previous
arguments and experience that dual RHDs is the way that I want to go for
ease of backup. However, could you please enlighten me what the weaknesses
might be with his argument? (Since I still have to "get back to him").

I think much of my problem is that I have never used imaging software, so I
don't have a feeling for it's functionality. (He said that if I had, his
approach would seem "obvious"). Well, it isn't.

BTW, as an aside, if this tidbit might be useful to anyone; I just spent
three weeks, three intense weeks, trying to get Dell to work with me
regarding dual RHDs, (including even having them installed later,
elsewhere), and I finally just gave up -- completely frustrated. That is
the reason that I ended up at my local "WeBuildIt' shop. So, if anyone is
contemplating RHDs with Dell, be prepared ... and good luck.

Regards,
David
 
The end result is that the "WeBuiltIt" guy has probably got a better Idea of
your machine and needs than us, since he's seen it and talked to you
face-to-face. That in mind, he's really talking himself out of an extra sale
so he can probably be trusted. The only reason I can think to use dual HDs
is if you have a large HD thats better backed up across two HDs (in a
"spanning" configuration, this can make the backup faster). You wish to keep
two backups in case your main drive fails and one of your backups fail (seems
overkill unless you REALLY need it). You want to keep a previous backup (one
from today on one HD and one from yesterday on the other). You intend to
keep one HD, with it's backup, offsite in case of an office fire or something
taking out the main computer and the backup drive in current use.

There's probably all sorts of other fancy reasons but it all depends on your
situation and how important that machine and it's data is to you.

Generally, one HD is enough for home or home/office use. more important
data would probably want to keep one previous backup and one current backup
in case a backup fails and your machine fails before a successful backup is
obtained again.

Its all a matter of how much you're willing to spend and how safe you
want/need to be.
 
David said:
Hi Anna,

{Ref: all the previous discussions re Dual-Removable HDs for backup}

Yesterday I went in to the local "WeBuildIt" place, with my
requirements, which included dual removable hard drives. The chap
says, "aw, you don't really need two RHDs to do what you are trying
to do -- with good imaging software and changes to your BIOS (to set
the boot source(?)), you can do that easily with *one* RHD and one
internal HD."

Well, I wasn't clever enough or quick enough to defend my position,
so I said I'd get back to him. I am still convinced by all of your
previous arguments and experience that dual RHDs is the way that I
want to go for ease of backup. However, could you please enlighten
me what the weaknesses might be with his argument? (Since I still
have to "get back to him").

I think much of my problem is that I have never used imaging
software, so I don't have a feeling for it's functionality. (He said
that if I had, his approach would seem "obvious"). Well, it isn't.

BTW, as an aside, if this tidbit might be useful to anyone; I just
spent three weeks, three intense weeks, trying to get Dell to work
with me regarding dual RHDs, (including even having them installed
later, elsewhere), and I finally just gave up -- completely
frustrated. That is the reason that I ended up at my local
"WeBuildIt' shop. So, if anyone is contemplating RHDs with Dell, be
prepared ... and good luck.

Regards,
David

Multiple backups is always better than a single backup. By two RHD's did you
mean one internal hard drive and then a swappable bay with two drives to
swap in and out? That would be a good backup solution.
 
David said:
Hi Anna,

{Ref: all the previous discussions re Dual-Removable HDs for backup}

Yesterday I went in to the local "WeBuildIt" place, with my requirements,
which included dual removable hard drives. The chap says, "aw, you don't
really need two RHDs to do what you are trying to do -- with good imaging
software and changes to your BIOS (to set the boot source(?)), you can do
that easily with *one* RHD and one internal HD."

Well, I wasn't clever enough or quick enough to defend my position, so I
said I'd get back to him. I am still convinced by all of your previous
arguments and experience that dual RHDs is the way that I want to go for
ease of backup. However, could you please enlighten me what the
weaknesses
might be with his argument? (Since I still have to "get back to him").

I think much of my problem is that I have never used imaging software, so
I
don't have a feeling for it's functionality. (He said that if I had, his
approach would seem "obvious"). Well, it isn't.

BTW, as an aside, if this tidbit might be useful to anyone; I just spent
three weeks, three intense weeks, trying to get Dell to work with me
regarding dual RHDs, (including even having them installed later,
elsewhere), and I finally just gave up -- completely frustrated. That is
the reason that I ended up at my local "WeBuildIt' shop. So, if anyone is
contemplating RHDs with Dell, be prepared ... and good luck.

Regards,
David


David:
Well, David, count your blessings. More times than not many of these local
shops try to dissuade the potential customer from having a desktop computer
built with *any* removable hard drives. At least the one you consulted
seemed open to installing one such device.

By & large, as I think I stated in my previous comments, we prefer to
install two removable hard drives rather than one. The additional cost
involved is relatively small since the user will be working with two hard
drives anyway, so the additional mobile rack is the only added cost. (We are
assuming, of course, that the computer case has available the necessary two
5 1/4" bays to house the mobile racks).

Having two removable HDs gives one an added degree of flexibility that just
isn't present with only one removable HD and one internal HD. Other than the
slight additional cost involved of the added mobile rack as noted above,
there's absolutely no downside to it. The ability to easily remove each HD
from the computer for portability or other reasons by a simple pull of the
mobile rack's handle is reason enough (in our view) to equip one's desktop
computer with two removable HDs. Then too, by simply switching the removable
tray containing the HD from one mobile rack to another it's an easy matter
to change (in the case of PATA HDs) their Primary/Secondary Master/Slave
relationships should this be necessary.

Simply stated, by having two removable hard drives - each HD is virtually
instantly available to the user when needed without the necessity of getting
inside the computer case and making the various data/power cable
connects/disconnects involving the hard drives involved. Changing a
defective HD with a new one is child's play when using removable HDs in
their mobile racks.

Believe me when I say - you'll never have any regrets save one equipping
your desktop computer with two removable HDs. And that one is that your
previous desktop computer(s) were not so equipped. We've built or helped
build hundreds of PCs equipped with two removable HDs and helped users to
install those devices as well. I can't recall a single case of
dissatisfaction with that hardware arrangement. On the contrary, once the
user works with two removable HDs, he or she never wants to go back to the
"old" way.

Now, having said the above, and understanding what a strong proponent I am
of the hardware arrangement we've been discussing...

If push comes to shove and for some reason or another you go that route of
having installed one internal HD and one removable HD, it's better than not
having *any* removable HDs installed on your system. Assuming you'll be
using PATA HDs, the configuration I would suggest in that case is to set the
removable HD as Primary Master and the internal HD as Secondary Master (or
possibly Primary Slave should the motherboard support a boot from that
position which most motherboards do). In that situation your internal HD
would be your day-to-day working HD and your removable HD the recipient of
the clone. So should you need to boot from the removable HD this could be
easily accomplished by merely turning its keylock to the ON position. And,
of course, you could still use the mobile rack to house additional HDs
should you need them for one reason or another.

If, however, your computer is being equipped with SATA HDs, that would
complicate matters a bit if you were using only one removable HD and one
internal HD. Presumably the internal SATA HD would be connected as SATA1 so
that the system would always boot from that position. Hopefully, you would
be able to change the boot order in the BIOS so as to boot from the SATA2
position (your removable SATA HD) should you want to boot to the removable
drive for some reason or another. Unfortunately we have encountered a few
motherboards where *only* the HD connected to the SATA1 position was
bootable, i.e., there was no option to boot from a SATA HD connected to any
other position. Note with two removable HDs there would be no problem. Just
a matter of slipping the removable tray in the rack that's connected to the
SATA1 position. So there would be no need to enter the BIOS to change boot
order assuming that option was even available to you.

In summary - my advice is to insist on having your desktop computer equipped
with two removable HDs, not one. As I previously stated the added cost
involved is rather trifling and the added degree of flexibility you get with
this approach is something you'll never regret. Believe me.
Anna
 
David said:
Hi Anna,

{Ref: all the previous discussions re Dual-Removable HDs for backup}

Yesterday I went in to the local "WeBuildIt" place, with my
requirements, which included dual removable hard drives. The chap
says, "aw, you don't really need two RHDs to do what you are trying
to do -- with good imaging software and changes to your BIOS (to set
the boot source(?)), you can do that easily with *one* RHD and one
internal HD."

Well, I wasn't clever enough or quick enough to defend my position,
so I said I'd get back to him. I am still convinced by all of your
previous arguments and experience that dual RHDs is the way that I
want to go for ease of backup. However, could you please enlighten
me what the weaknesses might be with his argument? (Since I still
have to "get back to him").

I think much of my problem is that I have never used imaging
software, so I don't have a feeling for it's functionality. (He said
that if I had, his approach would seem "obvious"). Well, it isn't.


I'm not Anna, but since I agree with her that two removable drives are
better than one, I'll throw in my two cents. There are basically two
reasons, as far as I'm concerned:

1. When you backup (image or clone) a drive to another drive, the act of
backing up is also the act of destroying your only backup. If something goes
wrong during the operation (for example a severe power surge caused by a
nearby lightning strike), you can lose everything simultaneously. But if you
alternate between two removable backup drives, worst case, you have the
alternate backup to rely on.

2. If anything happens to one backup drive when you need it (for example,
you drop and smash it), you have a second backup to rely on.

Companies that rely on their data to stay in business often go further, and
have three (or more) generations of backup, typically called grandfather,
father, and son. Often at least one of those generations is stored off-site.

I don't go so far as to say that having two drives is a requirement, but it
clearly provides a greater measure of safety than just one. Whether that
extra safety is worth the extra cost, only you can decide.

By the way, why do you feel the need to defend anything to him? If it were
me, I would just order what I wanted, and not care what he thought about it.
 
Ken, the question was whether the OP needs two *racks*, not two
slide-in trays for a single rack.

*TimDaniels*
 
Timothy said:
Ken, the question was whether the OP needs two *racks*, not two
slide-in trays for a single rack.


I don't think so, Tim. The OP quotes the salesman as saying "aw, you don't
really need two RHDs to do what you are trying to do." I interpret "RHD" to
stand for "Removable Hard Drive." Even rereading his post, I don't see
anything that suggests it's two racks he's asking about.
 
The OP quoted the dealer:

"aw, you don't really need two RHDs to do what you are trying to do --
with good imaging software and changes to your BIOS (to set the
boot source(?)), you can do that easily with *one* RHD and one
internal HD."

Obviously, the OP proposed *two* Removable Hard Drives because
with two RHDs, the BIOS wouldn't have to be adjusted because by
simply removing (or switching off the power to) the primary HD, the
other HD would automatically become the boot HD. The clerk is
saying that the same could be accomplished with one RHD and
adjustment of the BIOS's HD boot order. (In this passage, "RHD"
refers to the rack/tray combo, not just a single rack with two trays.)

*TimDaniels*


"Ken Blake, MVP" opined:
 
Sorry, Tim and Ken, my description wasn't very precise was it?
To be unequivocal, what I mean is two RHD installations, (consuming two
bays in the machine). (That's racks if I've got the nomenclature correct?)
And then I had planned on three HDs, in trays or caddies, if I've got that
nomenclature correct.) I had planned on using one of the RHD installations
as my primary -- which I believe is Anna's approach, (but I still need to
study her response more.) And then the other two HDs, in trays, would be
the clone/backups.

Thanks much, to all of you -- you're champs!
~~~D
 
David said:
Hi Anna,

{Ref: all the previous discussions re Dual-Removable HDs for backup}

Yesterday I went in to the local "WeBuildIt" place, with my requirements,
which included dual removable hard drives. The chap says, "aw, you don't
really need two RHDs to do what you are trying to do -- with good imaging
software and changes to your BIOS (to set the boot source(?)), you can do
that easily with *one* RHD and one internal HD."

Well, I wasn't clever enough or quick enough to defend my position, so I
said I'd get back to him. I am still convinced by all of your previous
arguments and experience that dual RHDs is the way that I want to go for
ease of backup. However, could you please enlighten me what the
weaknesses
might be with his argument? (Since I still have to "get back to him").

I think much of my problem is that I have never used imaging software, so
I
don't have a feeling for it's functionality. (He said that if I had, his
approach would seem "obvious"). Well, it isn't.

BTW, as an aside, if this tidbit might be useful to anyone; I just spent
three weeks, three intense weeks, trying to get Dell to work with me
regarding dual RHDs, (including even having them installed later,
elsewhere), and I finally just gave up -- completely frustrated. That is
the reason that I ended up at my local "WeBuildIt' shop. So, if anyone is
contemplating RHDs with Dell, be prepared ... and good luck.

Regards,
David

Right. Good luck with any variation on a Dell, especially from Dell.
 
David said:
I had planned on using one of the RHD installations
as my primary -- which I believe is Anna's approach,
(but I still need to study her response more.) And then
the other two HDs, in trays, would be the clone/backups.


Anna's configuration of two RHDs is very convenient
and you'll wonder why removable HDs aren't part of
every system. But..... it does take up 5 1/2" bays
and it may present a problem of cabling in which the
standard 18" IDE cables just don't want to reach to
all the drives. The solution that I use is "round" cables
which come in various lengths. I get mine from
SVCompucycle which has a good selection and reasonable
prices: http://svc.com/cables-ata-100-133-round-cables.html .
They also have the advantage of reducing the blockage
of air flow inside the PC's case. The theoretical downside
is that they don't conform to the ATA specification of 18" flat
ribbon cable, so you're on your own in officially unexplored
tech land. But hundreds of thousands of people use them
with no problems (I being one), and they're a useful
alternative to ribbon cables. Physically, they contain the
40 signal wires, each of which is twisted together with a
ground wire to emulate the 40 signal/40 ground wires in
a ATA/100/133 ribbon cable. I prefer the ones with the
aluminum braided shielding, but no tests that I'm aware of
show that they're any better than the unshielded cables.

Another "spec-breaker" is the extra connector interface
that the RHDs put between the cable and the HD. This is
also not part of the ATA specifications, and again, you're
on your own when it comes to predictable crosstalk and
signal reflections in the cable. But people haven't been
reporting any problems (including myself and Anna), so
I'd say go ahead and give it a try.

*TimDaniels*
 
David said:
Sorry, Tim and Ken, my description wasn't very precise was it?
To be unequivocal, what I mean is two RHD installations, (consuming two
bays in the machine). (That's racks if I've got the nomenclature
correct?)
And then I had planned on three HDs, in trays or caddies, if I've got that
nomenclature correct.) I had planned on using one of the RHD
installations
as my primary -- which I believe is Anna's approach, (but I still need to
study her response more.) And then the other two HDs, in trays, would be
the clone/backups.

Thanks much, to all of you -- you're champs!
~~~D


David:
Unless I missed it from your previous queries, this is the first time I've
seen you mention three removable hard drives? Although somehow I think we're
getting confused with this hardware arrangement, so let me see if I can
clarify things.

1. All that is necessary is to install two removable hard drives in their
mobile racks.
2. By having such you have an *unlimited* number of HDs at your disposal.
3. One of the removable HDs will be used, of course, as your day-to-day
working HD.
4. The other removable HD will hold a clone of your working HD. Because the
HD resides in a removable tray (caddy) in the mobile rack, this allows you
to use the rack to hold an *infinite* number of hard drives. It's a simple
matter of removing the tray from the rack and substituting another HD in its
removable tray. All of five seconds or so. You do understand this, yes? That
by employing this second mobile rack you can have a multitude of clones if
you want; drives for any purpose you want. Actually you could use the
"first" mobile rack to house additional boot drives if that's what you
wanted.
5. There is *no* need for an internal HD with this hardware arrangement.
It's completely unnecessary and doesn't really serve any useful purpose.

Perhaps I misunderstand what you're saying. Sorry if I do.
Anna

P.S.
I note Tim Daniels mentions a possible problem connecting data cables to the
removable HDs, indicating the standard 18" cables might not reach. While
that is possible if you're using an unusually tall computer case, virtually
every case we've come across with up to four 5 1/4" bays should have no
problem in this regard. But should there be, it's a simple matter to hook up
24" cables. We've never encountered a problem where we had to use the
additional length cables.

As to potential problems with "crosstalk" and "signal reflection" as Tim
mentions we've never experienced any problems in this area of using
removable HDs.
 
What is needed now are Trays designed for SATA/SATA-II.
Added benefit is that SATA is hot-dockable, so can be swapped
while OS is running.
 
David said:
Sorry, Tim and Ken, my description wasn't very precise was it?
To be unequivocal, what I mean is two RHD installations, (consuming
two bays in the machine). (That's racks if I've got the nomenclature
correct?)


In that case, Tim is right and I was wrong. Sorry for misinterpreting what
you said. And sorry also to Tim.

Also, in that case, I agree with your salesman, and wouldn't spring for more
than a single removable rack. As a matter of fact, my personal prefernce is
no removable racks at all, but USB drive enclosures (which I can't remember
whether I previously said I preferred in this thread or some other one).

And then I had planned on three HDs, in trays or caddies,
if I've got that nomenclature correct.) I had planned on using one
of the RHD installations as my primary -- which I believe is Anna's
approach, (but I still need to study her response more.) And then the
other two HDs, in trays, would be the clone/backups.


Why would you want the primary drive to be removable? My recommendation
would be that the main drive is opermanently installed and you have a single
removable rack, with two removable drives for backup you swap in and out of
it (or better, as I said, no removable racks, but two backup drives in USB
enclosures).

Thanks much, to all of you -- you're champs!


You're welcome. Glad to help.
 
David:
Unless I missed it from your previous queries, this is the first time I've
seen you mention three removable hard drives? Although somehow I think we're
getting confused with this hardware arrangement, so let me see if I can
clarify things.

1. All that is necessary is to install two removable hard drives in their
mobile racks.
2. By having such you have an *unlimited* number of HDs at your disposal.
3. One of the removable HDs will be used, of course, as your day-to-day
working HD.
4. The other removable HD will hold a clone of your working HD. Because the
HD resides in a removable tray (caddy) in the mobile rack, this allows you
to use the rack to hold an *infinite* number of hard drives. It's a simple
matter of removing the tray from the rack and substituting another HD in its
removable tray. All of five seconds or so. You do understand this, yes? That
by employing this second mobile rack you can have a multitude of clones if
you want; drives for any purpose you want. Actually you could use the
"first" mobile rack to house additional boot drives if that's what you
wanted.
5. There is *no* need for an internal HD with this hardware arrangement.
It's completely unnecessary and doesn't really serve any useful purpose.

Perhaps I misunderstand what you're saying. Sorry if I do.
Anna
Anna,
Thank you for the additional clarification. I think we're OK, just a bit
tangled up in the terminology. I think, (hope! <g>) that I understand each
of your above-numbered points.
What I meant by three, was actually three HDs in three trays (caddies).
But only two racks would be installed in the machine. Thus, the third HD
would be one of your *infinite* number of hard drives. Except that I was
only planning on a *total* of three. (But I do understand that that number
could be greater.) In fact, if I get more paranoid, maybe it will! <g>.

One thing I'm still not clear on is that I am under the assumption that
once an HD is inserted into a tray (caddy), it should stay there -- and not
be swapped back and forth with other HDs later. Is this correct?

Whoops -- definitely on topic -- lightning right now!!! Gotta go...
Thanks much,
David
 
R. McCarty said:
What is needed now are Trays designed for SATA/SATA-II.
Added benefit is that SATA is hot-dockable, so can be swapped
while OS is running.


R. McCarty:
I take it know that there are SATA removable hard drive racks presently on
the market. We've been working with a number of them over the past year -
primarily with SATA-IO (a/k/a SATA II) HDs, i.e., those having a data
interface rate of 3.0 Gb/s.

While it is true that the SATA drives are "hot-swappable" in the sense that
there will be no data corruption/loss or physical damage to the drive in the
event it is removed or inserted while the system is running, it should be
understood that if the boot drive is thus removed, the system goes down.

The basic advantage of having "hot-swappable" ("hot-pluggable") SATA HDs is
now the drive can be treated similarly to a USB/Firewire external HD in the
sense that it can be connected and is operable while the system is running.
But it has the considerable advantage of superior performance vis-a-vis a
USB EHD, i.e., speed of data transfer. And, it is bootable.

So this is another strong advantage of equipping one's desktop computer with
removable hard drives when the drives are SATA interfaced.
Anna
 
Ken Blake said:
In that case, Tim is right and I was wrong. Sorry for misinterpreting what
you said. And sorry also to Tim.

Also, in that case, I agree with your salesman, and wouldn't spring for
more than a single removable rack. As a matter of fact, my personal
prefernce is no removable racks at all, but USB drive enclosures (which I
can't remember whether I previously said I preferred in this thread or
some other one).

Why would you want the primary drive to be removable? My recommendation
would be that the main drive is opermanently installed and you have a
single removable rack, with two removable drives for backup you swap in
and out of it (or better, as I said, no removable racks, but two backup
drives in USB enclosures).
You're welcome. Glad to help.


Ken:
I know from your postings that you're an experienced and obviously competant
PC user. I wish I could convince you of the vast superiority of equipping
one's desktop PC with removable HDs as compared with using USB or Firewire
external hard drives and/or fixed internal HDs. The enormous flexibility
(not to say peace of mind) that one gains from this hardware arrangement
cannot be overestimated. I'm sure you've probably seen my postings on this
subject so I won't go into details here on why I think so. I realize I'm
somewhat of a zealot in touting the superiority of equipping one's PC with
removable HDs (preferably two). But we've been working with this
configuration for six years now and installed this hardware in hundreds of
PCs as well as helped many users install same and I can't recall a single
user who regretted the decision.

Perhaps when you build your next machine or have one built you'll consider
giving it a try. I can assure you you won't be disappointed.
Anna
 
David said:
Anna,
Thank you for the additional clarification. I think we're OK, just a bit
tangled up in the terminology. I think, (hope! <g>) that I understand
each
of your above-numbered points.
What I meant by three, was actually three HDs in three trays (caddies).
But only two racks would be installed in the machine. Thus, the third HD
would be one of your *infinite* number of hard drives. Except that I was
only planning on a *total* of three. (But I do understand that that
number
could be greater.) In fact, if I get more paranoid, maybe it will! <g>.

One thing I'm still not clear on is that I am under the assumption that
once an HD is inserted into a tray (caddy), it should stay there -- and
not
be swapped back and forth with other HDs later. Is this correct?

Whoops -- definitely on topic -- lightning right now!!! Gotta go...
Thanks much,
David


No, that's not correct. That's one of the beauties of using removable HDs.
Certainly you can switch one HD in its removable tray to the other mobile
rack. Let me cite one example...

1. Say your day-to-day working HD is in mobile rack #1 - presumably the
Primary Master if you're using PATA drives. Your cloned HD resides in its
removable tray in mobile rack #2.
2. Your HD #1 goes kaput or for whatever reason you want to use HD #2 as a
substitute.
3. Just remove HD #1 from its mobile rack and slip HD #2 in mobile rack #1
in its place. The operation will take all of 10 seconds or so.

And there are other reasons why you may want to swap HDs. The removable hard
drive arrangement gives you this flexibility.
Anna
 
Anna said:
Ken:
I know from your postings that you're an experienced and obviously
competant PC user. I wish I could convince you of the vast
superiority of equipping one's desktop PC with removable HDs as
compared with using USB or Firewire external hard drives and/or fixed
internal HDs. The enormous flexibility (not to say peace of mind)
that one gains from this hardware arrangement cannot be
overestimated. I'm sure you've probably seen my postings on this
subject so I won't go into details here on why I think so. I realize
I'm somewhat of a zealot in touting the superiority of equipping
one's PC with removable HDs (preferably two). But we've been working
with this configuration for six years now and installed this hardware
in hundreds of PCs as well as helped many users install same and I
can't recall a single user who regretted the decision.
Perhaps when you build your next machine or have one built you'll
consider giving it a try. I can assure you you won't be disappointed.
Anna

Anna

I can't speak for Ken but I have tried removable hard drives and I prefer
USB drives over them and also over firewire drives. The reason is USB is the
lowest common denominator. Almost every computer built over the past few
years has it, even if it is USB 1.1. It will work to get at your data when a
computer or evan a site goes down. There are many reasons besides hard drive
failure when a backup may be needed. Having data on a USB drive not stored
at the same location as the computer allows almost instant access to the
data from any computer anywhere in the event of a catastrophe on site. I am
a fan of keeping images but I always recommend as well a file based backup
of data only, stored off site. Hardware and programs can be replaced. Data
can't, making sure it is safe is paramount. Having it quickly accessable on
almost any system is a bonus. In the end it comes down to whatever method
works for you and your clients. At least they are backing up. It is scary to
go into a new client and find out they have no backups. I do commend you on
your posts on this matter. If more people followed your advice there would
be far less lost data.
 
Kerry Brown said:
Anna

I can't speak for Ken but I have tried removable hard drives and I prefer
USB drives over them and also over firewire drives. The reason is USB is
the lowest common denominator. Almost every computer built over the past
few years has it, even if it is USB 1.1. It will work to get at your data
when a computer or evan a site goes down. There are many reasons besides
hard drive failure when a backup may be needed. Having data on a USB drive
not stored at the same location as the computer allows almost instant
access to the data from any computer anywhere in the event of a
catastrophe on site. I am a fan of keeping images but I always recommend
as well a file based backup of data only, stored off site. Hardware and
programs can be replaced. Data can't, making sure it is safe is paramount.
Having it quickly accessable on almost any system is a bonus. In the end
it comes down to whatever method works for you and your clients. At least
they are backing up. It is scary to go into a new client and find out they
have no backups. I do commend you on your posts on this matter. If more
people followed your advice there would be far less lost data.


Kerry:
While my obvious preference for many, if not most, PC desktop users is for
them to equip their machines with removable HDs, this does not negate
special instances where the user may want to employ a USB/Firewire external
HD as an additional backup device to supplement his or her removable HDs. I
have no argument with this.

And in terms of offsite storage of backup material - this again is one of
the significant advantages of removable HDs. The user can easily remove the
HD from the machine and transport it off the premises for additional
safekeeping. And we should keep in mind that this portability extends to
*multiple* HDs containing backup material should the user find this
necessary or desirable.
Anna
 
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