"People came back and said, 'Please, will you take this off and replace it with XP?'"

[Mike]

* Mike:

With that statement, you have lost all credibility.

by Windows Live Mail. Windows Mail is not being
developed anymore, except for security updates.
To Microsoft's credit they realized how bad Windows Mail
was and have moved forward with Windows Live Mail.

None of which changes the fact that it's still better than OE.

Mike

 

[Adam Albright]

I get the impression that some of these people here whining about Vista are
too young to remember that. They apparently grew up with XP and it's all
they know.

At least they certainly give that impression with their "It's too big, too
bloated, too much eye candy, too incompatible with existing apps/hardware,
no drivers" and on and on and on.

We heard ALL of this at XP's launch, and at 2000's launch, and at NT 4's
launch, and at NT 3.1's launch.

Mike

What we also hear is the typical full of hot air Microsoft fanboy
badly faking trying to pass himself off as expert and using this
newsgroup to pontificate.

That shoe seems to fit not only you Mike, but way too many others that
infest this newsgroup and make it next to useless since they refuse to
be objective and only know how to sing the praises of Microsoft rather
than honestly trying to see BOTH sides of each issue and accepting
many people really do have serious issues with Vista and it has
nothing to do with drivers or hardware but failings of Vista itself
which fanboys refuse to admit exist.

 

[Mike]

is certainly a better newsreader than Outlook Express!

win mail IS outlook express with small changes and a new name!
the most significant change is that it doesn't use DBX anymore.. but even
THAT creates problems....

Yes, I know that. The biggest improvement is that it doesn't force you to
top post like OE did.

Vista performance improvement? You are delusional man.... sheeshhhh
Vista is slower than XP. Its all around the internet.. but it seems you
dont surf that much.
What are you doing? Sitting in front of vista playing with flip 3d and
sidebar all day?

Nope, don't even have Flip 3D on this laptop, no Aero at all. Sidebar is
turned off on both my machines.

It boots faster. It doesn't constantly grind the hard disk after
un-hibernating like XP does, due to it's better memory management.
Programs load faster, again due to better memory management.

The real world shows that vista is FAR behind in performance compared to
XP.
When cornered the vista users throw this excuse:

Baloney. It runs circles around XP on my machines. Again, you can't
extrapolate to the whole world based on problem reports in a support forum.

Mike

 

[Adam Albright]

The theme is the least of Vista's improvements. One of the machines I'm
running it on is a ThinkPad T41 laptop. I can't even GET Aero because of
the video card (32 meg Mobility Radeon 9000), but I'd still rather use Vista
than XP on this machine. Better all-around performance due to MUCH better
memory management (I have 1 GB) and MUCH better included apps. Windows Mail
is certainly a better newsreader than Outlook Express!

Mike

Those comments illustrate your expertise level. No serious user would
touch Windows Mail or Outlook Express with a ten foot pole or pretend
either is a newsreader.

You're just a light weight Mike, time you admitted it.

 

[Frank]

Adam Albright wrote:




BullHonk!!! It was Windows 2000 with a face full of makeup and fishnet
stockings!

John

hahaha...that's funny!

Frank

 

[carl feredeck]

will if you are pleased with it then good for you.. but can you tell me
these 2 things?

1) Did you have xp on the same machine you now have or is this a new one?
2) Did you compare a fresh install of XP with a fresh install of Vista?
Or an old install of XP with a fresh install of vista?

Dont tell me that the response of the interface of vista with non aero is
better than XP ...
(I am talking about the drawing of the interface, windows toolbars taskbars
etc.)
Please dont say that because that is 100% sure that vista refresh of the
interface lags significantly if you dont have aero,
compared to XP (that of course doenst have aero at all).

 

[Mike]

Those comments illustrate your expertise level. No serious user would
touch Windows Mail or Outlook Express with a ten foot pole or pretend
either is a newsreader.

What should I use? Agent? Agent sucks rocks for reading/replying. It's
great for downloading binaries, however.

The reason I normally use OS X for newsgroups is because there is nothing on
Windows as good as MT-NW.

Mike

 

[Mike]

What we also hear is the typical full of hot air Microsoft fanboy
badly faking trying to pass himself off as expert and using this
newsgroup to pontificate.

You have just described yourself.

Mike

 

[Adam Albright]

No, *you* are missing the point. No one called XP "a major leap" in 2001.
It was called "2000 with eye candy".

You seem to have no memory of this. Amazing.

Mike

You can't be objective. Not surprising at all. Lots of Microsoft
fanboys here that never take the blinders off.

 

[Adam Albright]

None of which changes the fact that it's still better than OE.

Mike

What you saying is a two foot tall pile of rotting garbage is less
offensive than a five foot tall pile of rotting garbage. Most people
would think garbage is just garbage.

 

[MICHAEL]

* Mike:

None of which changes the fact that it's still better than OE.

In your opinion.


-Michael

 

[Drew]

You are basically an IDIOT if you think Vista is so bad !!..I will put this
Vista machine (My own custom build) against ANY xp machine !! and I
guarantee THIS machine will out perform it...I have stressed the hell out of
it and NEVER a problem !!.When you say all over the internet I highly doubt
that there are that many when you consider the sales versus
complaints...Also do you have actual proof that customers are returning
Vista to the stores versus those who are happily using it (once again I
doubt it !)...There are still a lot of people out there still using 98
because of bad experiences with xp !! Research it !!!..I know businesses
that still use NT because of bad experiences with xp....99.9% of errors with
Vista are operator error trying to (example) use a Ford model t starter in a
07 corvette..Hell you can't blame Microsoft for computer builders putting
Vista on machines that face it are not and should not have it installed
although they say it will work fine...Computer builders also have a tendency
to install a lot of crap on there machines that we ALL know screws things
up..This system was built expressly for Vista (no other op system
previous)..I do a lot of photo editing,,gaming,,music mixing and various
other projects and have NEVER had a glitch...I have run stress test after
stress test and have never had a crash !! The key is (like any other op
system) keeping up with drivers as well as antivirus and antspyware
protection and do not do what many people have done and just not protect
themselves from others (and now we are forced to live with UAC) why you
might ask ?? Because way too may people complained to Microsoft that there
computers should be protected right from the start within the op
system...That is not what an op system does..That is what we have other
software companies for !!..People like you have no concept of patience or
understanding of what an op system should be or do...When you think you ca
do better or even have a REAL argument please feel free to post back with
results...Until then do NOT post drivel unless you know what you are talking
about

Running Vista Business
Intel core2 2.66 processor
Intel D975XBX2 motherboard
4gigs of Kingston HyperX ddr2 800
Nvidia 7900gs graphics card
2 160gig Seagate Barracuda's
Razer Death adder mouse
Saitek's eclipse keyboard
Dell 24" digital flat panel
Logitech's z5300E sound system
Logitech's ultra webcam
Themaltake Armor case
Antec 600watt power supply
Hp 3600n laser printer
Visioneer 9020 scanner
Epson photomate printer

All working in perfect harmony with

Logitech's G25 racing wheel
Saiteks' x52 flight control system
Microsoft Xbox wireless controller
Oh wait I gotta go now I have an actual life and a computer that works
perfectly but I look forward to your post back with PROOF !!!

 

[MICHAEL]

* John John:

Adam Albright wrote:



BullHonk!!! It was Windows 2000 with a face full of makeup and fishnet
stockings!

To most consumers who had never experienced Win2000,
because it wasn't aimed at the masses- WinXP was a huge
leap in performance and stability.


-Michael

 

[Michael Jennings]

* Mike:

In your opinion.

I agree with that!

WinMail is repulsive. If you know about OE's quirk of vaporizing the store,
and have provided for that by moving the store to another disk and making
a clone backup, then I think OE is less uncomfortable - better - than
WinMail.
I'd rather prepare and deal with occasional tedium than experience constant
exasperation or chance a catastrophe. That suits me - it may not suit
others.

 

[MICHAEL]

* Mike:

What should I use? Agent? Agent sucks rocks for reading/replying. It's
great for downloading binaries, however.

The reason I normally use OS X for newsgroups is because there is nothing on
Windows as good as MT-NW.

Thunderbird. I use it for newsgroups. I use Outlook for email.

http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/thunderbird/



-Michael

 

[Ian Betts]

All you people make me laugh, Your all so young I guess and have time to
argue the merits of software. The problem is never the software its the
operator. If you people cannot learn to use the old and the new where the
hell do you own a computer in the first place.

 

[Bill Yanaire]

The problem is "Never the software"? Boy, you are SO WRONG, it's funny.

 

[Bob I]

What is it with all this new fangled graphical user interface stuff
anyway, all it does is waste processor time that would be better used
reading punch cards! <GDnR>

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

In ten years of heavy use of OE, I've never lost a message or had any DBX
corruption.

 

[Gary S. Terhune]

And has much better hardware support than Win2K.