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Newsgoups

My daughter has just bought a new PC with Windows XP Home SP2. She has asked
me if I know of a simple way to Password protect the computer. In other
words, as the machine boots, one needs to type in a common password to get
to the desktop. I could tell her in Win 98 but I'm not sure about XP.

TIA

Ed
 
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Detlev Dreyer

Newsgoups said:
My daughter has just bought a new PC with Windows XP Home SP2. She has
asked me if I know of a simple way to Password protect the computer. In
other words, as the machine boots, one needs to type in a common
password to get to the desktop.

Just one possible solution: Enter the BIOS setup and set a password.
 
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Bill Starbuck

There are some third-party programs that provide a password facility,
but these cost money. Thus, the first thing to check is the literature
that came with the computer. Many computers have a startup password
facility built into them, so she needs to find out whether her
computer has such. Of course, she can also call techy support at the
company that built the computer.

Bill Starbuck (MVP)
 
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Richard Urban

Start/Control Panel/User Accounts/Change an Account | click on the user
name/Change My Password

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Microsoft MVP Windows Shell/User

Quote from George Ankner:
If you knew as much as you think you know,
You would realize that you don't know what you thought you knew!
 
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Bruce Chambers

Newsgoups said:
My daughter has just bought a new PC with Windows XP Home SP2. She has asked
me if I know of a simple way to Password protect the computer. In other
words, as the machine boots, one needs to type in a common password to get
to the desktop. I could tell her in Win 98 but I'm not sure about XP.

TIA

Ed


1) Start > Control Panel > User Accounts > Change the way Users log on
and off...

2) Right-click My Computer > Manage > Users and Groups > right-click
the desired user account > Set Password.

For further information:

HOW TO Create and Configure User Accounts in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;279783

HOW TO Set, View, Change, or Remove File and Folder Permissions
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;q308418

HOW TO Set, View, Change, or Remove Special Permissions for Files and
Folders
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;[LN];Q308419

HOW TO Set the My Documents Folder as Private in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;298399

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Ken Blake, MVP

Newsgoups said:
My daughter has just bought a new PC with Windows XP Home SP2. She
has asked me if I know of a simple way to Password protect the
computer. In other words, as the machine boots, one needs to type in
a common password to get to the desktop. I could tell her in Win 98
but I'm not sure about XP.


Perhaps the simplest way is to go into the BIOS setup program and set a boot
password there.

Your daughter should be made aware, though, that if she's looking for real
security, this isn't it. A BIOS password will keep out young children and
casual passers-by, but it's easily gotten around by anyone who knows a
little and is determined to get in.
 
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Plato

Newsgoups said:
My daughter has just bought a new PC with Windows XP Home SP2. She has asked
me if I know of a simple way to Password protect the computer. In other
words, as the machine boots, one needs to type in a common password to get
to the desktop. I could tell her in Win 98 but I'm not sure about XP.

Generally, most bios's have a setting to do just that. Go into your BIOS
and look for it.
 
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NobodyMan

Generally, most bios's have a setting to do just that. Go into your BIOS
and look for it.

Why are so many people suggesting setting BIOS passwords when Windows
has this ability? Just assign the user account a password. It's not
hard.
 
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Leythos

Why are so many people suggesting setting BIOS passwords when Windows
has this ability? Just assign the user account a password. It's not
hard.

BIOS passwords keep people from using a boot disk to get at the files on
the drive. They also keep people from selecting safe mode and gaining
access to the files through that way.
 
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Ken Blake, MVP

Leythos said:
BIOS passwords keep people from using a boot disk to get at the files
on the drive. They also keep people from selecting safe mode and
gaining access to the files through that way.


Both have their strengths and weaknesses, but both are easy to get around,
and neither provides any strong security.
 
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Leythos

Both have their strengths and weaknesses, but both are easy to get around,
and neither provides any strong security.

I agree, but that wasn't the question. Anyone with a screwdriver can get
around passwords.

In the context of Windows and BIOS, without considering Hardware, as he
didn't seem to think about hardware, BIOS passwords are stronger than
Windows passwords except when EFS is used.
 
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Ken Blake, MVP

Leythos said:
I agree, but that wasn't the question. Anyone with a screwdriver can
get around passwords.

In the context of Windows and BIOS, without considering Hardware, as
he didn't seem to think about hardware, BIOS passwords are stronger
than Windows passwords except when EFS is used.


My view here is very different from yours. First, when you're talking about
security, I think it's a mistake to try to separate hardware vulnerabilities
from software ones. Vulnerabilities are equally dangerous whether you get to
them with a screwdriver or a keyboard. Good protection protects you from
anyone, regardless of what kind of tool he has.

Second, when you think about restricting access to the computer, you have to
think about who the invader is you want to keep out. Is it a casual
passer-by at your office at work, who wants to see what you're doing? It is
your eight-year-old son? Is it your adult brother-in-law who is visiting
your house? Or is it a burglar who has stolen your computer, taken it home,
and has all the time in the world to break into the system and look at your
personal and financial data.

For all but the last of these, either a BIOS passwword or a Windows one is
probably adequate. For the last one, neither is.

That last point is the main point I wanted to stress. Unfortunately many
people think that such passwords provide them with real protection against
people like that burglar, but in reality, they hardly even slow him down in
getting to your data.
 
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Plato

Both have their strengths and weaknesses, but both are easy to get around,
and neither provides any strong security.

But, with a bios [system] password, you have to take the pc apart to
null it. And what average Joe is going to find the right jumbers, if
any?
 
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Ken Blake, MVP

Plato said:
Both have their strengths and weaknesses, but both are easy to get
around, and neither provides any strong security.

But, with a bios [system] password, you have to take the pc apart to
null it.


Well, I would choose to say "open the case," rather than "take the pc
apart." "Take the pc apart" sounds much more drastic.

And opening the case is an easy job. The case on my new machine doesn't even
require a screwdriver to open.

And what average Joe is going to find the right jumbers, if
any?


Or he can just remove the battery.

But if you're talking about the "average Joe," I agree with you. As I've
said here more than once, a BIOS password is a very good way to keep out the
casual curious intruder. It's useless, however, against a determined
intruder who really wants to get in. It takes only a little knowledge and a
little time to get around it.
 
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NobodyMan

A boot disk won't allow you to gain access to my hard drive, as it
will boot into DOS, which can't read NTFS partitions.

Further, booting into safe mode will pull up a logon screen, and I
have set a strong password on ALL my accounts, including the
Administrator account. So no joy on that scenario either.
 
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Plato

Or he can just remove the battery.

But if you're talking about the "average Joe," I agree with you. As I've
said here more than once, a BIOS password is a very good way to keep out the
casual curious intruder. It's useless, however, against a determined
intruder who really wants to get in. It takes only a little knowledge and a
little time to get around it.

Which is why I *never* have my browsers "remember" usernames/passwords
for important utils I use like ftp or even paypal.
 

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