PARTITION SIZE FOR xP AND VISTA

G

Guest

I AM REFORMATTING A 250 GIG HD AND WANT TO PARTITION FOR EXISTING xP PRO AND
FUTURE DUAL BOOT WITH VISTA. HOW BIG SHOULD EACH PARTITION BE AND WHICH
SHOULD COME FIRST.
eg: "C"= Xp pro = xx mb. partition
"D"= 200 gb for file downloads
"E" = Vista (future)= xx mb partition
 
G

Gordon

RLP said:
I AM REFORMATTING A 250 GIG HD AND WANT TO PARTITION FOR EXISTING xP PRO
AND FUTURE DUAL BOOT WITH VISTA. HOW BIG SHOULD EACH PARTITION BE AND
WHICH SHOULD COME FIRST.
eg: "C"= Xp pro = xx mb. partition

15 is sufficient for XP
"D"= 200 gb for file downloads

Bloody hell, WHAT "file downloads"?
"E" = Vista (future)= xx mb partition

Whatever the MS specs say plus a bit!
 
J

JS

1) 20GB for XP
2) 30GB for Vista
3) Remaining space create as many partitions (Extended) as needed.

JS
 
S

Squire

Suggested sizes,

1st partition - 10 gb for XP
2nd partition - 20 gb for added programs and files
3rd partition - leave the balance open to install Vista beta version or
other programs to play with.

You will probably end up with a dual boot menu when you install another OS,
after XP is installed.
 
G

Guest

Thank you all for your responses, but I received 3 different suggestions and
am still left with the decision.
Let me ask this question: When I install other software/ programs, should
they go onto the "boot disc" partition or another drive partition without the
OS on it?
 
R

R. McCarty

I would do it this way for a 250 Gigabyte drive:
1.) 45 Gigabyte Unformatted ( for Vista Use)
2.) 40 Gigabyte NTFS (WinXP, Primary Apps)
3.) 80 Gigabyte NTFS (Data partition)
4.) 85 Gigabyte NTFS ( Multimedia Storage)
I wouldn't separate apps from the XP partition - Except for those
that have excessively large data modules (Streets & Trips, Encarta,
GPS type apps) which I'd install in say the Multimedia Storage.

You want to create partitions so the most important/used data is
first. However, in the scenario above you'll loose some of that
effectiveness until you actually format/use the 1st logical partition
to install Vista.
 
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ÐïÅßö¥ø§©

Thank you all for your responses, but I received 3 different suggestions
and
am still left with the decision.
Let me ask this question: When I install other software/ programs, should
they go onto the "boot disc" partition or another drive partition without
the
OS on it?

I put my installed programs on a separate partition leaving the boot
partition with only the items that don't give an option where to install.
 
K

Kerry Brown

You have asked a question that for some people is almost religious in nature
:) You will get many different recommendations. Personally the only reason
I see for separate partitions is to make backups quicker and easier. One
partition for Windows and programs, another for data. It is senseless to
separate Windows and programs as they are intertwined. You generally can't
restore one without the other. Given the size of your hard drive I would
allocate 30 - 40 GB for Windows and programs and the rest for data. I am
sure many will disagree and even have convincing arguments as to why their
scheme is best. In the end you'll have to decide for yourself. All I can
tell you is you'll regret it when you run out of room for Windows.
 
A

All Things Mopar

Today, with great enthusiasm and quite emphatic,
=?Utf-8?B?UkxQ?= laid this spiel on an innocent readership
Thank you all for your responses, but I received 3 different
suggestions and am still left with the decision.
Let me ask this question: When I install other software/
programs, should they go onto the "boot disc" partition or
another drive partition without the OS on it?
"Squire" wrote:

I have separate partitions for my data. In my case, one for all
my pictures, mostly JPEG, and one for all non-graphics data, such
as music. I don't store any data whatsoever on C:\ except when
the app forces me to.

As to your question, with the trouble I frequently read about
with people trying to force apps and utilities to a separate
partition, I just go with The Force and let them install where
they please.

As to partition sizes, I have 40 gig reserved for Windoze SP2
right now and 25 gig for SP1 on my wife's older machine. My logic
is that it leaves plenty of room for further expansion of apps
and updates, perhaps a Windoze update, and also to allow maximum
room to efficiently defrag my primary partition. As that last, my
personal experience is that XP's defragger is dismal, yes, it
does defrag but it doesn't pull all the pieces together to make
one contiguous group of filled HD blocks. And, Norton Speed Disk
chokes and won't complete the job.

On my data partitions, I "defrag" those occasionally by writing
the content to a temp folder (with all the real folders under it)
on an external HD and reformat the partition. Takes less time,
and copying the data back seems to "compress" the blocks
reasonably well, although Windoze isn't at all logical about how
it copies, not even if I go to a DOS window and use the old-
fashioned-but-still-works-well Xcopy.

Hope this helps.
 
K

Kerry Brown

I forgot the Vista partition. It's hard to say at this point in Vista's
development cycle but you can safely assume it needs more space than XP.
 
B

Bob I

FYI
Q. What is required to run Windows Vista?
A. If you purchased a PC in the last two years, chances are good that
you can run Windows Vista today. To install and run the core
functionality of Windows Vista, you need:

An 800 MHz processor.
512 MB of RAM.
A 20 GB hard drive with 15 GB of free space.
Advanced features, like the new user experience Windows Aero, require
advanced or additional hardware
 
G

Guest

R McC,
I never thought of doing it this way but I like your suggestion. My intent
is to keep my data separate in case I ever have to re-install a corrupted OS.
When I do "partition" the HD would the first "unformatted" drive default to
the "C" drive?
Thanks
RLP
 
J

JS

Even if you choose to install applications (like I do on a D partition) on a
separate partition, some of the application files will end up on the boot
(C) partition, usually located in C:\Program Files in Windows XP.

Since you are going to install XP and Vista I would put/install XP
applications (MS Office, Photo Shop, Etc.) on the XP boot partition and
Vista applications to the Vista boot partition and not use the same separate
partition for applications used by both OS(s).

JS
 
R

R. McCarty

Then I would go ahead and Format the 1st (Vista) partition with
NTFS. Depending on how you want your eventual drive lettering,
would determine whether you place XP on C: or Vista on C:
 
G

Guest

Now we're getting somewhere....keep it coming. I am absorbing all of this
data and hopefully will come up with the best format.
RLP
 
K

Kerry Brown

Microsoft's recommendations and the real world are often a long way apart.
Here's the requirements for XP:

PC with 300 megahertz or higher processor clock speed recommended; 233 MHz
minimum required (single or dual processor system);* Intel Pentium/Celeron
family, or AMD K6/Athlon/Duron family, or compatible processor recommended

128 megabytes (MB) of RAM or higher recommended (64 MB minimum supported;
may limit performance and some features)

1.5 gigabytes (GB) of available hard disk space*

Super VGA (800 x 600) or higher-resolution video adapter and monitor

CD-ROM or DVD drive

Keyboard and Microsoft Mouse

I can't imagine how poorly XP would run on this system. I currently run
Vista on a P4 1.8 GHz, 512 MB ram, ATI Radeon AGP, and a 30 GB hard drive.
The performance is adequate but I wouldn't recommend much less than that in
the way of hardware. As for a recommended size for a Vista partition we'll
have to wait and see once it's in production. I suspect it will be more than
XP needs.
 
J

JS

Added information:
1) You can only have four primary/bootable partitions on a single hard
drive.
2) With statement one in mind I would create 2 primary/bootable partitions,
then use the C partition for XP and D for Vista. Format the remaining drive
space as one large Extended partition and make as many smaller Logical
partitions as needed.
3) Get familiar with the boot.ini file and what it does. My assumption is
that you will need to modify this file to boot from XP or Vista.

JS
 
K

Ken Blake, MVP

RLP said:
R McC,
I never thought of doing it this way but I like your suggestion. My
intent is to keep my data separate in case I ever have to re-install
a corrupted OS. When I do "partition" the HD would the first
"unformatted" drive default to the "C" drive?



I have no objection to having a separate partition for data, but when you
say "My intent is to keep my data separate in case I ever have to re-install
a corrupted OS," that suggests to me that you are relying on that instead of
instituting a strong backup regimen.

My advice is that you rethink that point of view. Having no backup outside
of your drive leaves you vulnerable to the loss of everything by disasters
like hard drive crashes, virus attacks, severe power glitches, nearby
lightning strikes, even theft of the computer. If your data is valuable, you
need to keep a backup of it on external media.
 
K

Ken Blake, MVP

RLP said:
Now we're getting somewhere....keep it coming. I am absorbing all of
this data and hopefully will come up with the best format.


I think the single most important point is that there is *no* "best format."
What's best for one person isn't best for everyone. We all have different
needs and ways of working, and how we organize our computers should reflect
those personal needs. In my view, the single most important factor is how
you partition should be to facilitate your backup scheme. First decide what
you're going to backup, then organize to make that backing up easier. For
example, if you are planning on backing up only data, all the data to be
backed up should be in the same partition.
 
N

NoStop

I AM REFORMATTING A 250 GIG HD AND WANT TO PARTITION FOR EXISTING xP PRO
AND FUTURE DUAL BOOT WITH VISTA. HOW BIG SHOULD EACH PARTITION BE AND
WHICH SHOULD COME FIRST.
eg: "C"= Xp pro = xx mb. partition
"D"= 200 gb for file downloads
"E" = Vista (future)= xx mb partition

Drive Sea = 13GB
Drive Dee = 13GB
Drive Eeeh! = remainder

Then get serious about computing, and while installing GNU/Linux have it use
the entire 240GB hard drive.


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