H
Hobbes
shift F10
Diskpart
List disk
Select disk ?
list volume
select volume ?
ring a bell yet, or are you new at this?
Diskpart
List disk
Select disk ?
list volume
select volume ?
ring a bell yet, or are you new at this?
T
Timothy Daniels
Ron K. said:
Anyone futzing with Vista partitions - whether deleting, adding, extending,
whatever - should read this: http://www.multibooters.co.uk/partitions.html
If you have an entire weekend (or more) to spend reading, read the entire
website: http://www.multibooters.co.uk/ The bottom line is "Don't mix
partitioning utilites - use either all Vista, or all XP/Linux/previous
utilities".
If you're going to be doing a lot of partition manipulation, it might be
better to re-install Vista in a partition that you created with another utility
and thereafter use that utility (or others) to manage your partitions.
*TimDaniels*
H
Hobbes
Dude ... you got a thread of wrong answers...as my first statement
said....you can make that space a partition with a new drive letter ( or as
a folder within the C drive) .... but these morons will continue guessing
all day.
I have done the same thing, and reinstalled everything to get the partition
layout I wanted.
Third party partitioners may do better...I don't know.
said....you can make that space a partition with a new drive letter ( or as
a folder within the C drive) .... but these morons will continue guessing
all day.
I have done the same thing, and reinstalled everything to get the partition
layout I wanted.
Third party partitioners may do better...I don't know.
B
Barry
You need free space directly on the right from the systempartition.
Rightclick on the systempartition and choose Extend Volume.
A
Adam Albright
You can with third party tools like Partition Magic, but anyone that
attempts any such thing using the crap Windows includes is crazy and
would be asking for trouble. Windows is as good with file handling as
it is with graphics. HORRIBLE! Don't trust it. NEVER!
H
Hobbes
Isn't everything to the right of the boot partition ?
The "boot" partition is first.
That's what makes it the boot partition....or does it read your pics folder,
and say...no , let me move on to the boot partition.
To the right? ? half of the disk space is always to the left.
The "boot" partition is first.
That's what makes it the boot partition....or does it read your pics folder,
and say...no , let me move on to the boot partition.
To the right? ? half of the disk space is always to the left.
T
the wharf rat
Extend is greyed out for the system partition.
H
Hobbes
Excellent observation.
More are to follow, I assume.
Maybe if he flips the HD over....the boot sector will end up on the right ?
Or the left.
i think the boot sector should be right , left, right left....7200times per
minute.
More are to follow, I assume.
Maybe if he flips the HD over....the boot sector will end up on the right ?
Or the left.
i think the boot sector should be right , left, right left....7200times per
minute.
A
Adam Albright
Well I just looked at my configuration under hard disk management.
I have one large 750 GB drive making two partitions C and E with C
being the system partition. NOTHING appears in the left column, ie,
the C partition can not be extended nor can the E partition be shrunk
according to what the screen shows, in spite of it saying it can be
extended. It shows as an option, but it is grayed out.
While I didn't upgrade to the latest version of Partition Magic that
supports Vista, I'm very familiar how it worked under XP. You simply
move a slider back and forth. So in the above example I could take
free space (allocated but not yet used) from my E partition and thus
make C larger. I could make C smaller by taking away unused free space
in the system partition, which would automatically be given to the E
partition. If I had any unallocated space (free space on the physical
drive but not yet assigned to any partition) that could be given to
either or divided between them or make more partitions. The whole
process was transparent and idiot proof.
The term "idiot proof" does not apply to morons like Frank. He can't
wipe his ass by himself. He always forgets which hand to use and often
fails to use toilet paper.
T
the wharf rat
Disk managament on windows doesn't work quite the same way. If
you have a basic volume you can only extend it using free space on
the same disc. So in your case you'd need to shrink or delete D then
extend C. (Provided that C isn't a boot or system volume.) If you
have a dynamic volume you can extend it with space from any disc, but
the space still has to be free first.
H
Hobbes
Oh... they mean left/ right as in columns.
I thought they meant to the right on the "physical disk".
I have tried many times....Vista will let you shrink the boot partition ,
but not extend it.
But I have Home Premium ... from what I understand, Ultimate will allow data
striping.mirroring....which I cannot do thru Home Premium.
So whether or not having Ultimate allows greater control over Disk
Management...I don't know.
I KNOW Home Premium will not allow one to Extend the Boot Partition....Even
if the extra space never held any data or partition.
In home premium, the initial partition for the install seems to set a max
for that partition.
You can make an extended partition in a folder on C:----but you can not
increase the size of the primary C: drive.
I thought they meant to the right on the "physical disk".
I have tried many times....Vista will let you shrink the boot partition ,
but not extend it.
But I have Home Premium ... from what I understand, Ultimate will allow data
striping.mirroring....which I cannot do thru Home Premium.
So whether or not having Ultimate allows greater control over Disk
Management...I don't know.
I KNOW Home Premium will not allow one to Extend the Boot Partition....Even
if the extra space never held any data or partition.
In home premium, the initial partition for the install seems to set a max
for that partition.
You can make an extended partition in a folder on C:----but you can not
increase the size of the primary C: drive.
H
Hobbes
Home Premium doesn't natively support dynamic disk...only basic disk.
You cannot stripe / mirror with Vista HP without an outside RAID driver.
You cannot stripe / mirror with Vista HP without an outside RAID driver.
T
the wharf rat
It's greyed out for me. Which Vista are you running?
Are you using basic or dynamic volumes?
N
Nonny
COOL!
And I just popped $25 for Acronis Disk Director Suite (but it can do a
lot more)!
T
the wharf rat
Looks like Jawade is right! The trick is...
C: CANNOT be a dynamic volume. (You'd think it should be the other
way around, right?)
and
The target free space MUST be adjacent to the existing C:.
This does indeed work with Home Premium.
Thanks, Jawade. Sorry I doubted you
R
Ron K.
Here's what I tried so far: I went to Computer Management, Storage, then to
Disk Management. I find the partition that previously held Kubuntu which is
labeled 179.54 GB Free Space, I right click on it and get Delete and New
Simple Volume as the only options. I tried to delete the partition but get a
message saying there is isn't enough space to delete it. Not sure what the
other option does, any ideas?
Disk Management. I find the partition that previously held Kubuntu which is
labeled 179.54 GB Free Space, I right click on it and get Delete and New
Simple Volume as the only options. I tried to delete the partition but get a
message saying there is isn't enough space to delete it. Not sure what the
other option does, any ideas?
R
R. C. White
Hi, Hobbes.
You've said so many things in your many posts here that I don't have time to
respond to all of them. But you and the other posters have made me take
another look at Disk Management's Help file - and there are some
disappointing changes since the last time I looked at it. :>{ I'll put my
comments about that into another sub-thread.
But I can respond to some specific statements you made in this
post...inline:
Sometimes you can.
I have. More than once. And I've reported that here several times. And
others have reported success, too. One recent thread in this newsgroup was
started by Derek Da Silva on about 1/18/2008, Subject: Extend volume. In
that thread, my first Reply started:
After a few exchanges, Derek's final post, on 1/20/08, said, in part:
You may honestly say that YOU haven't seen it, Hobbes, but many people have,
so you can't say "NEVER in Vista".
Yes, it would be good for MS to jump into this long thread and
authoritatively clear up some of the confusion being spread by several
posters.
I'm sorry about that. But I have extended C:, and so have Derek and others
who have reported success here and in other Vista newsgroups.
Are you sure you are not just borrowing Calvin's credentials? Do you have
any that you actually earned and did not bestow on yourself?
RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
(e-mail address removed)
Microsoft Windows MVP
(Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)
You've said so many things in your many posts here that I don't have time to
respond to all of them. But you and the other posters have made me take
another look at Disk Management's Help file - and there are some
disappointing changes since the last time I looked at it. :>{ I'll put my
comments about that into another sub-thread.
But I can respond to some specific statements you made in this
post...inline:
Hobbes said:
Sometimes you can.
I have. More than once. And I've reported that here several times. And
others have reported success, too. One recent thread in this newsgroup was
started by Derek Da Silva on about 1/18/2008, Subject: Extend volume. In
that thread, my first Reply started:
After a few exchanges, Derek's final post, on 1/20/08, said, in part:
You may honestly say that YOU haven't seen it, Hobbes, but many people have,
so you can't say "NEVER in Vista".
Yes, it would be good for MS to jump into this long thread and
authoritatively clear up some of the confusion being spread by several
posters.
I'm sorry about that. But I have extended C:, and so have Derek and others
who have reported success here and in other Vista newsgroups.
Are you sure you are not just borrowing Calvin's credentials? Do you have
any that you actually earned and did not bestow on yourself?
RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
(e-mail address removed)
Microsoft Windows MVP
(Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)
R
R. C. White
Hi, Ron.
WOW! Your question generated a LOT of responses! Sadly, few of them are
helpful and many are just plain wrong. There is so much MIS-information in
the thread that I don't have time to try to respond to all of it.
Perhaps your use of Kubuntu created some problem that I've never seen
because I've never installed any version of Linux.
You didn't tell us HOW you created the partition for Kubuntu. Did you use
Disk Management for that? Or did you use some tool that came with Kubuntu?
You also didn't tell us HOW you deleted that partition. Did you use Disk
Management for that job?
Since I have no experience with Kubuntu, I'm only guessing. But my guess is
that you should have used a Linux tool to undo that partition and restore
the pre-Kubuntu configuration.
This does not make sense to me. Disk Management should not need any space
to delete a volume. This reinforces my feeling that some Linux tool has
written unfamiliar data into critical partition management areas on the hard
drive.
In my earlier reply I said, "In Disk Management, click Help | Help Topics |
Disk Management Welcome for lots of good information that most computer
users never get around to learning." This morning I took another look in
that Help file. They’ve CHANGED IT! Much of the good information has been
deleted or summarized to the point of near-uselessness. :>( Many of the
important and helpful details have been removed. I'm not sure when this
happened, perhaps in Vista SP1 a couple of months ago.
The Help file now points us to the DISKPART utility, reached from the
Command Line. DISKPART will do the job, all right, but it is far too
powerful a tool for the average user. Any tool this powerful can do at
least as much harm as good when used carelessly or by someone without
experience in its quirks. For instance, the first time I used it to extend
a volume by 3 GB of the contiguous 8 GB Free Space, I entered "3" when it
asked "how much?" - and got the whole 8 GB. THEN I read that said to
specify in MB not GB - and that an invalid entry (3 MB should have been 3000
MB) would cause Extend to use the whole available space.
At the risk of extending this already too-long thread, let me quote from
DISKPART Help:
<paste>
C:\Windows\system32>diskpart
Microsoft DiskPart version 6.0.6001
Copyright (C) 1999-2007 Microsoft Corporation.
On computer: RC-PC
DISKPART> help
Microsoft DiskPart version 6.0.6001
ACTIVE - Mark the selected basic partition as active.
ADD - Add a mirror to a simple volume.
ASSIGN - Assign a drive letter or mount point to the selected volume.
ATTRIBUTES - Manipulate volume or disk attributes.
AUTOMOUNT - Enable and disable automatic mounting of basic volumes.
BREAK - Break a mirror set.
CLEAN - Clear the configuration information, or all information, off
the
disk.
CONVERT - Convert between different disk formats.
CREATE - Create a volume or partition.
DELETE - Delete an object.
DETAIL - Provide details about an object.
EXIT - Exit DiskPart.
EXTEND - Extend a volume.
FILESYSTEMS - Display current and supported file systems on the volume.
FORMAT - Format the volume or partition.
GPT - Assign attributes to the selected GPT partition.
HELP - Display a list of commands.
IMPORT - Import a disk group.
INACTIVE - Mark the selected basic partition as inactive.
LIST - Display a list of objects.
ONLINE - Online an object that is currently marked as offline.
OFFLINE - Offline an object that is currently marked as online.
RECOVER - Refreshes the state of all disks in the selected pack.
Attempts recovery on disks in the invalid pack, and
resynchronizes mirrored volumes and RAID5 volumes
that have stale plex or parity data.
REM - Does nothing. This is used to comment scripts.
REMOVE - Remove a drive letter or mount point assignment.
REPAIR - Repair a RAID-5 volume with a failed member.
RESCAN - Rescan the computer looking for disks and volumes.
RETAIN - Place a retained partition under a simple volume.
SAN - Display or set the SAN policy for the currently booted OS.
SELECT - Shift the focus to an object.
SETID - Change the partition type.
SHRINK - Reduce the size of the selected volume.
UNIQUEID - Displays or sets the GUID partition table (GPT) identifier or
master boot record (MBR) signature of a disk.
DISKPART> help extend
Extends the volume or partition with focus and its file system into free
(unallocated) space on a disk.
Syntax: EXTEND [SIZE=<N>] [DISK=<N>] [NOERR]
EXTEND FILESYSTEM [NOERR]
SIZE=<N> Specifies the amount of space in megabytes (MB) to add to
the
current volume or partition. If no size is given, all of the
contiguous free space that is available on the disk is used.
DISK=<N> Specifies the disk on which the volume or partition is
extended. If no disk is specified, the volume or partition
is
extended on the current disk.
FILESYSTEM Extends the file system of the volume with focus. For use
only
on disks where the file system was not extended with the
volume.
NOERR For scripting only. When an error is encountered, DiskPart
continues to process commands as if the error did not occur.
Without the NOERR parameter, an error causes DiskPart to
exit
with an error code.
On basic disks, the free space must be on the same disk as the volume or
partition with focus. It must also immediately follow the volume or
partition with focus (start at the next sector offset).
On dynamic disks with simple or spanned volumes, a volume can be
extended
to any free space on any dynamic disk. Using this command, you can
convert
a simple dynamic volume into a spanned dynamic volume.
If the partition was previously formatted with the NTFS file system, the
file system is automatically extended to fill the larger partition. No
data
loss occurs. If the partition was previously formatted with a different
file system than NTFS, the command fails with no change to the
partition.
If the partition was not previously formatted with a file system, the
partition will still be extended.
A volume or partition must be selected for this operation to succeed.
Example:
EXTEND SIZE=500 DISK=3
EXTEND FILESYSTEM
</paste>
As I said, Ron, it's a powerful tool, so use it with care!
RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
(e-mail address removed)
Microsoft Windows MVP
(Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)
WOW! Your question generated a LOT of responses! Sadly, few of them are
helpful and many are just plain wrong. There is so much MIS-information in
the thread that I don't have time to try to respond to all of it.
Perhaps your use of Kubuntu created some problem that I've never seen
because I've never installed any version of Linux.
You didn't tell us HOW you created the partition for Kubuntu. Did you use
Disk Management for that? Or did you use some tool that came with Kubuntu?
You also didn't tell us HOW you deleted that partition. Did you use Disk
Management for that job?
Since I have no experience with Kubuntu, I'm only guessing. But my guess is
that you should have used a Linux tool to undo that partition and restore
the pre-Kubuntu configuration.
This does not make sense to me. Disk Management should not need any space
to delete a volume. This reinforces my feeling that some Linux tool has
written unfamiliar data into critical partition management areas on the hard
drive.
In my earlier reply I said, "In Disk Management, click Help | Help Topics |
Disk Management Welcome for lots of good information that most computer
users never get around to learning." This morning I took another look in
that Help file. They’ve CHANGED IT! Much of the good information has been
deleted or summarized to the point of near-uselessness. :>( Many of the
important and helpful details have been removed. I'm not sure when this
happened, perhaps in Vista SP1 a couple of months ago.
The Help file now points us to the DISKPART utility, reached from the
Command Line. DISKPART will do the job, all right, but it is far too
powerful a tool for the average user. Any tool this powerful can do at
least as much harm as good when used carelessly or by someone without
experience in its quirks. For instance, the first time I used it to extend
a volume by 3 GB of the contiguous 8 GB Free Space, I entered "3" when it
asked "how much?" - and got the whole 8 GB. THEN I read that said to
specify in MB not GB - and that an invalid entry (3 MB should have been 3000
MB) would cause Extend to use the whole available space.
At the risk of extending this already too-long thread, let me quote from
DISKPART Help:
<paste>
C:\Windows\system32>diskpart
Microsoft DiskPart version 6.0.6001
Copyright (C) 1999-2007 Microsoft Corporation.
On computer: RC-PC
DISKPART> help
Microsoft DiskPart version 6.0.6001
ACTIVE - Mark the selected basic partition as active.
ADD - Add a mirror to a simple volume.
ASSIGN - Assign a drive letter or mount point to the selected volume.
ATTRIBUTES - Manipulate volume or disk attributes.
AUTOMOUNT - Enable and disable automatic mounting of basic volumes.
BREAK - Break a mirror set.
CLEAN - Clear the configuration information, or all information, off
the
disk.
CONVERT - Convert between different disk formats.
CREATE - Create a volume or partition.
DELETE - Delete an object.
DETAIL - Provide details about an object.
EXIT - Exit DiskPart.
EXTEND - Extend a volume.
FILESYSTEMS - Display current and supported file systems on the volume.
FORMAT - Format the volume or partition.
GPT - Assign attributes to the selected GPT partition.
HELP - Display a list of commands.
IMPORT - Import a disk group.
INACTIVE - Mark the selected basic partition as inactive.
LIST - Display a list of objects.
ONLINE - Online an object that is currently marked as offline.
OFFLINE - Offline an object that is currently marked as online.
RECOVER - Refreshes the state of all disks in the selected pack.
Attempts recovery on disks in the invalid pack, and
resynchronizes mirrored volumes and RAID5 volumes
that have stale plex or parity data.
REM - Does nothing. This is used to comment scripts.
REMOVE - Remove a drive letter or mount point assignment.
REPAIR - Repair a RAID-5 volume with a failed member.
RESCAN - Rescan the computer looking for disks and volumes.
RETAIN - Place a retained partition under a simple volume.
SAN - Display or set the SAN policy for the currently booted OS.
SELECT - Shift the focus to an object.
SETID - Change the partition type.
SHRINK - Reduce the size of the selected volume.
UNIQUEID - Displays or sets the GUID partition table (GPT) identifier or
master boot record (MBR) signature of a disk.
DISKPART> help extend
Extends the volume or partition with focus and its file system into free
(unallocated) space on a disk.
Syntax: EXTEND [SIZE=<N>] [DISK=<N>] [NOERR]
EXTEND FILESYSTEM [NOERR]
SIZE=<N> Specifies the amount of space in megabytes (MB) to add to
the
current volume or partition. If no size is given, all of the
contiguous free space that is available on the disk is used.
DISK=<N> Specifies the disk on which the volume or partition is
extended. If no disk is specified, the volume or partition
is
extended on the current disk.
FILESYSTEM Extends the file system of the volume with focus. For use
only
on disks where the file system was not extended with the
volume.
NOERR For scripting only. When an error is encountered, DiskPart
continues to process commands as if the error did not occur.
Without the NOERR parameter, an error causes DiskPart to
exit
with an error code.
On basic disks, the free space must be on the same disk as the volume or
partition with focus. It must also immediately follow the volume or
partition with focus (start at the next sector offset).
On dynamic disks with simple or spanned volumes, a volume can be
extended
to any free space on any dynamic disk. Using this command, you can
convert
a simple dynamic volume into a spanned dynamic volume.
If the partition was previously formatted with the NTFS file system, the
file system is automatically extended to fill the larger partition. No
data
loss occurs. If the partition was previously formatted with a different
file system than NTFS, the command fails with no change to the
partition.
If the partition was not previously formatted with a file system, the
partition will still be extended.
A volume or partition must be selected for this operation to succeed.
Example:
EXTEND SIZE=500 DISK=3
EXTEND FILESYSTEM
</paste>
As I said, Ron, it's a powerful tool, so use it with care!
RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
(e-mail address removed)
Microsoft Windows MVP
(Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)
A
Adam Albright
Yet like most you just babble on anyway without actually knowing what
you're talking about. Funny, but very typical in newsgroups.
Still babbling...
What difference would that make? Answer: None!
See, what I mean by aimless babbling? That's like asking, hey, did you
write down your notes on a white or yellow legal pad? You honestly
think it matters?
Again, totally irrelevant to the problem at hand.
I've noticed.
A lot of "help" and "error" messages generated by Windows never make
sense because they are cryptic in nature. A classic example is when
Windows says it needs to shut down Windows Explorer, but never gives a
reason why part of itself (Explorer is a core element) has caused it
to need to recover from itself. Priceless!
T
the wharf rat
You get this error when you have 4 primary partitions.