Pale Moon browser Crashes repeatedly


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Mayayana

Are you sure you're not running it from inside the ZIP?
The XP+ "convenience" of showing ZIPs as folders can
cause problems like that because the ZIP is not actually
unpacked.

Aside from that, why not just download the installer?
I use Pale Moon and have never had problems. It actually
is FF underneath. It just leaves out some of the extras
that many people don't need, like parental controls,
in order to keep it lean. But unlike other versions of Mozilla
browsers, like K-Meleon, the people making Pale Moon
don't change anything.


|I cant recall who suggested the browser "Pale Moon" to me on this group,
| without reading many older posts, but I decided to give it a try. I
| downloaded the .ZIP file, extracted it without any problems, and clicked
| on palemoon.exe. I have tried several times, even unzipped the zip file
| three times, and it crashes immediately, as soon as I click on it.
|
| This is their latest version, which I got from their own website.
|
| I'm running XP Sp3, and a fresh install of it.
|
| At the same time, Firefox ver 22, and the latest Seamonkey both work
| fine.
|
| I just thought this was worth mentioning.
|
 
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casey.o

I cant recall who suggested the browser "Pale Moon" to me on this group,
without reading many older posts, but I decided to give it a try. I
downloaded the .ZIP file, extracted it without any problems, and clicked
on palemoon.exe. I have tried several times, even unzipped the zip file
three times, and it crashes immediately, as soon as I click on it.

This is their latest version, which I got from their own website.

I'm running XP Sp3, and a fresh install of it.

At the same time, Firefox ver 22, and the latest Seamonkey both work
fine.

I just thought this was worth mentioning.
 
C

casey.o

Are you sure you're not running it from inside the ZIP?
The XP+ "convenience" of showing ZIPs as folders can
cause problems like that because the ZIP is not actually
unpacked.

Aside from that, why not just download the installer?
I use Pale Moon and have never had problems. It actually
is FF underneath. It just leaves out some of the extras
that many people don't need, like parental controls,
in order to keep it lean. But unlike other versions of Mozilla
browsers, like K-Meleon, the people making Pale Moon
don't change anything.
Nope, I unzipped it to C:\TEMP. (using WinZip). It dont even attempt to
install. It just crashes instantly. I tried several times as I
mentioned. I chose the ZIP version since I'm on dialup and the smaller
the better for a download. I'll probably DL the direct installer the
next time I get to a WIFI spot. But if I recall, it wanted to install
it to my computer, and I was downloading on my Win98 computer. I dont
allow ANY sites to directly install stuff to my computer, except for
Microsoft. (I could be mistaken about that).

I have noticed that FF version 22, tends to be somewhat slow on XP,
whereas Seamonkey runs well. But then again, FF3.x runs slower on my
Win98 machine too, whereas K-meleon always ran fast. I think FF has too
much crap in it, and it seems to be getting worse. And this computer is
older and not the fastest either.

If I ever get XP to properly connect to the internet correctly, via
dialup, I intend to downgrade FF to version 5.x. That's the version I
have on my XP laptop, and it works fine. Of course I'm sure that sooner
or later some websites will be nagging about upgrading. Youtube
constantly nags me about upgrading FF 3.x on my W98 machine. But there
is no upgrade possible on W98.

So YOU dont need the parental controls......
Are you sure about that ? :)
 
Z

Zo

(e-mail address removed) explained :
I cant recall who suggested the browser "Pale Moon" to me on this group,
without reading many older posts, but I decided to give it a try. I
downloaded the .ZIP file, extracted it without any problems, and clicked
on palemoon.exe. I have tried several times, even unzipped the zip file
three times, and it crashes immediately, as soon as I click on it.

This is their latest version, which I got from their own website.

I'm running XP Sp3, and a fresh install of it.

At the same time, Firefox ver 22, and the latest Seamonkey both work
fine.

I just thought this was worth mentioning.

The zip file package is the only one I've ever used and I've never had
any problems with it. XP Home SP3. Maybe you downloaded a corrupted
zip :-?
 
M

Mayayana

| I have noticed that FF version 22, tends to be somewhat slow on XP,
| whereas Seamonkey runs well. But then again, FF3.x runs slower on my
| Win98 machine too, whereas K-meleon always ran fast. I think FF has too
| much crap in it, and it seems to be getting worse. And this computer is
| older and not the fastest either.
|

I used to use K-Meleon. It's unfortunate that they stopped
work on it. I've found that all of the Firefox versions in recent
memory take a long time to load. PM is a bit better, at least
for me, but I agree with you -- they just keep getting worse.

| So YOU dont need the parental controls......
| Are you sure about that ? :)
|
No one touches my box but me. :)
 
C

casey.o

FWIW, I downloaded the Pale Moon 24.0.2 installer (exe) file some time ago,
and it was only 16.6 MB in size - not the ZIP file. It would be interesting
to see if that works for you. (I think it's generally better to use the
installer file). BTW, I was the one who mentioned PM, and it works well for
me (although occasionally a fussy site might work better with FF)

If you dont mind, can you post the URL, so I know I'm getting the same
one. I would not think there would be any difference between the zip
and the installer. Normally the zip is the same, just compressed. But
whatever is in that zip file did not attempt to install. Just went
CRASH!

Even more bizarre, the ZIP file was 26.621M.I had deleted it, but it was
still on my W98 machine. Like I said, I did get it from their own site.

I can DL a 16m in an hour. so I'll just do it while I'm fixing my
plumbing. I had a pipe freeze and burst. What a damn mess !!!!
 
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Zo

Mayayana presented the following explanation :
I used to use K-Meleon. It's unfortunate that they stopped
work on it. I've found that all of the Firefox versions in recent
memory take a long time to load. PM is a bit better, at least
for me, but I agree with you -- they just keep getting worse.

You should drop over to the KM forums, they never really stopped
working on it, a few of the devoted guys continued to develop and
release versions of it, in fact, I continue to use two of the releases
(1.6.17db+v8 and K-Meleon Twin+)now. The guys have been very busy and
steadily working on a new K-Meleon 74 that is currently up to beta 3
and is now being carried at Major Geeks for download and of course you
can always grab a copy from SourceForce.
 
M

Mayayana

| You should drop over to the KM forums, they never really stopped
| working on it, a few of the devoted guys continued to develop and
| release versions of it, in fact, I continue to use two of the releases
| (1.6.17db+v8 and K-Meleon Twin+)now. The guys have been very busy and
| steadily working on a new K-Meleon 74 that is currently up to beta 3
| and is now being carried at Major Geeks for download and of course you
| can always grab a copy from SourceForce.
|
Thanks. I used to check every once in awhile
but I'd given up.
 
C

casey.o

(e-mail address removed) explained :

The zip file package is the only one I've ever used and I've never had
any problems with it. XP Home SP3. Maybe you downloaded a corrupted
zip :-?

If the zip is corrupted, it must have been zipped up as corrupted.
Otherwise it would not open....
 
C

casey.o

| I have noticed that FF version 22, tends to be somewhat slow on XP,
| whereas Seamonkey runs well. But then again, FF3.x runs slower on my
| Win98 machine too, whereas K-meleon always ran fast. I think FF has too
| much crap in it, and it seems to be getting worse. And this computer is
| older and not the fastest either.
|

I used to use K-Meleon. It's unfortunate that they stopped
work on it. I've found that all of the Firefox versions in recent
memory take a long time to load. PM is a bit better, at least
for me, but I agree with you -- they just keep getting worse.

Of all the browsers I have ever used, K-meleon was my favorite. I'm
liking Seamonkey more now, the older vers for 98 kind of sucked, but
they have improved it a lot. Even FF 3.x was literally taking as much
as 2 minutes to load after I clicked on it. (on W98). I finally removed
all the extensions, except for two I absolutely needed. But it still
takes close to a full minute. K-meleon loads almost instantly.

I had installed FF4, 5, and 8, using that Kernel-EX, which is supposed
to make FF allowed to be used in W98. It would load, but would crash
regularly. Thats why I went back to ver 3.x.

K-meleon still works on my W98 puter, but I almost have to run it with
java script disabled, or it constantly gets script errors. Many if not
most sites require scripts these days. I tend to question what all
those damn scripts are for, and why the older one did not give errors.
Then again, I find most websites far too bloated these days. The old
ones did the same thing, but with a lot less trouble. Sites that open
with a flash video home page, I dont even go to. They just are not made
for dialup. Its too bad that K-meleon was not continued.

For the brief moments I have been able to get a usable dialup connection
on the XP puter, I have had FF 22.x get a script error, and of all
places, on the MS website. Whatever FF is doing, it's not working very
well. I plan to downgrade the version, but for now, Seamonkey has
become my default browser for now.

IE8 is not too bad, compared to the old ver 6, but I still dont care for
it, and it lacks the FF extension "Download Helper", which I absolutely
need to watch youtube videos. I MUST DL them first, (being on dialup).

Then there's Chrome, never tried it, and since i hear Google can track
users with it, I will avoid it. That's about all there is, except
Opera, and I never could stand that thing.

That pretty muich covers all the browser options.
| So YOU dont need the parental controls......
| Are you sure about that ? :)
|
No one touches my box but me. :)

...But you got to protect yourself from yourself ....<LOL>...
 
C

casey.o

You should drop over to the KM forums, they never really stopped
working on it, a few of the devoted guys continued to develop and
release versions of it, in fact, I continue to use two of the releases
(1.6.17db+v8 and K-Meleon Twin+)now. The guys have been very busy and
steadily working on a new K-Meleon 74 that is currently up to beta 3
and is now being carried at Major Geeks for download and of course you
can always grab a copy from SourceForce.

Really, I didn't know that. Thanks !!!
I have ver 1.54 on W98 (thats the last one made for 98). There was one
newer one, but not for 98. I think it was 1.56 or something like that.
 
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casey.o

FWIW, I downloaded the Pale Moon 24.0.2 installer (exe) file some time ago,
and it was only 16.6 MB in size - not the ZIP file. It would be interesting
to see if that works for you. (I think it's generally better to use the
installer file). BTW, I was the one who mentioned PM, and it works well for
me (although occasionally a fussy site might work better with FF)

I got the .EXE version. It installed fien, but as soon as I clicked on
palemoon.exe, it crashed again. It just will not run. But I think I
found out why. My computer is just too old. It's a PIII. They have a
list of processors on their site and it says that it wont work on my
processor.

For a prgm that says it's a trimmed down variety of FF, I cant
understand why it requires so much power to operate. I have not gone
beyond FF 22, but that installs and runs fine.

Either way, I just cant run it!. But I'm happy with Seamonkey anyhow,
and will look into the newer K-meleon.

BTW: The latest installer is 20.7M. (yet the .zip was 26+m) Weird!

Here is a quote:

----
What is Pale Moon

Pale Moon is a web browser based on the security and robustness of the
Firefox browser, started and maintained by a single person (Mr. M.C.
Straver). It eliminates several unnecessary features that slow down the
browser and it is optimized for modern hardware. A few examples:
Accessibility features, Parental controls, Maintenance service and
others. You won't find these features (that most people don't even know
exist) in this web browser. Although there are older versions that can
run on old computers (such as Pentium III), this browser has been
optimized to work well with PCs that are no more than several years old
(approximately up to 10 years old). If you have an old computer and you
don't know if it's going to work with the latest version of Pale Moon
there are two ways to test this. You can download the latest version and
see if the browser will start (if it doesn't, visit the technical
section of the home page and check the "Supported processors" section),
or you can check before downloading if your processor meets the
browser’s requirements with a small tool (it needs support for SSE2). If
it doesn't start, your computer is likely too old to run Pale Moon.
 

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