OT WebTV?

J

John Doe

I'm a hard-core PC user (most regulars know that), so don't think
I'm promoting WebTV.

Just wondering if anybody here knows about WebTV? A friend can use
e-mail only and I don't think a PC should be necessary for that. She
has a big HDTV too and should use that. What are the cost
differences?

Thanks.
 
D

Dave

John Doe said:
I'm a hard-core PC user (most regulars know that), so don't think
I'm promoting WebTV.

Just wondering if anybody here knows about WebTV? A friend can use
e-mail only and I don't think a PC should be necessary for that. She
has a big HDTV too and should use that. What are the cost
differences?

Thanks.

Well, webtv will cost about $22/month for dial-up. Kind of expensive for
email only, considering a lot of broadband connections with email included
run much less than that. I'd suggest you look into cheap broadband through
verizon or the local cable company* (look for lower-cost slower connections,
often not advertised, but available), hook it up to a good wireless router,
then get your friend an eepc.

It will be cheap and ultra-reliable and lightning quick for e-mail. If you
use webtv, you will need a keyboard in your lap anyway. Might as well have
the whole thing in your lap. Less complicated setup. Don't have to switch
inputs on the TV to use it, either. There are several eepc out now, the
following is just one. -Dave

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220266

*Whatever ISP you choose, sign up for a free e-mail account through AOL or
Gmail (or whatever) and have your friend use that, instead of the e-mail
provided through the ISP. That way, if your friend wants to switch ISPs
later, the e-mail address won't change.
 
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Paul

John said:
I'm a hard-core PC user (most regulars know that), so don't think
I'm promoting WebTV.

Just wondering if anybody here knows about WebTV? A friend can use
e-mail only and I don't think a PC should be necessary for that. She
has a big HDTV too and should use that. What are the cost
differences?

Thanks.

The dialup is listed here as $21.95 a month, and the "box" is $200.

http://www.msntv.com/pc/get/dial_service.asp

You could get an Everex ($200) at Walmart, then shop for
an ISP. This comes with something called gOS and
512MB of RAM. Maybe that would be enough to run
some other Linux distro, like Ubuntu. Since all
you're doing is email on the box, the gutless
VIA processor should not be a problem. (It's
performance level is just enough to play some
video formats on the screen, but not much more.)

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=7754614#Item+Description
http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5305482907.html
http://www.linuxdevices.com/files/misc/via_pc2500_gos_dev_board.jpg (motherboard)
http://desktoplinux.com/news/NS7114714037.html (TC2502 computer description)

(Motherboard spec.)
# Processor -- Via C7-D 1.5GHz
# Chipset -- Via CN700 + VT8237R plus
# Memory -- 2 x DDRII slots, for up to 2GB
# Storage:
* 2 x PATA interfaces (up to ATA133)
* 2 x SATA interfaces (up to SATA150)
* Floppy drive interface
# Networking -- 10/100 Base-T Ethernet based on Via VT6103L PHY
# Video -- Via UniChrome Pro IGP (VIA CN700)
# Audio:
* Based on Realtek ALC655 (supports 6 channels)
* Connectors -- audio line out/in, mic jack
# Other I/O:
* VGA out
* 4 x USB 2.0 ports
* 2 x PS2 ports
* Parallel printer port
* Serial port
* IR interface
Expansion:
* PCI slots (2)
* CNR slot
# Power:
* 20-pin ATX power connector
* +12V 4-pin power connector

You'd have to pick up a modem, and it has two PCI
slots. There are a number of interfaces that could be
used for a modem. (You still have to add an LCD
monitor to the Everex. It has VGA output, and a lot
of cheap monitors are DVI.)

Possibly the cheapest monitor to go with that, would be
a CRT. A size versus price tradeoff.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824116388

If you wanted something more compact, the Asus EEE
is a possibility, at $349. Still needs a modem, but
has its own display. You could do email on it, but
this is more of a toy than anything else.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220260

So which of these options is most practical, really
depends on how you get the Internet connection. If you
can beat the MSNTV $21.95 per month price for dialup, then
you can figure out how long it would take to pay back the
price difference in the hardware solution used with it.
The MSNTV box is $200 and uses the TV, while the above solutions
are more expensive to perform the same function. A cheaper ISP
option might make it pay. (Back home, we used a $100 per
year dialup service, with something like 1 hour per day minimum
connectivity.)

You could also check the local PC recyclers, to see if they
have something like an old P3 box. Depending on the
price and condition of the box, that might be an
alternative.

One thing about TV output, is the clarity of text. For example,
I cannot really read text at 640x480 res from my computer, via the
composite output to my TV set. Maybe if the WebTV box could
drive component video or DVI, things would be different. To
read text on an ordinary TV, you'd be limited to how
many characters you could have per line, and still read it.
(My ZX-81 had something like 40 characters across the
screen, and used a TV for output. I had to sit pretty close
to the screen. But it was a blast to play with. mainly because
it was so cheap, and because it worked.)

Paul
 
J

John Doe

Check out this guy's review. I'm not sure if he is talking about the
lesser model, but his writing is my kind of concise.

Pros: Excellent, XP Home SP2, Update: Explorer 7, Media player 11,
QuickTime 7.3, Flash player 9, Adobe Reader 8.1, Skype, FastStone
Image Viewer, Opanda Exif 2.26, Spy Sweeper 5.5.7, ATT Yahoo Browser
up date. 2Wire ATT Modern (set up wireless less than two minute).
Everything work flawlessly.

Cons: Speakers no base (but there is base sound, very good, with
headphone), Almost nothing you can set up in BIOS, There are only 2
display set up: 800x480 or 800x600, Spy Sweeper run well with 800x600,
but at 800x480 it will run in safe mode. Low free space in hard drive
you cannot do the Defragmentation (need above 200 MB), Processor
speed: 571 MHZ, 504MB of Ram, Available Physical Memory: 166.39MB.
Followed: Eee PC Windows XP Installation Guide: I have 394MB equal to
20 percents of Hard drive free space.

Other Thoughts: I bought 2G Surf-Galaxy Black from Newegg , received
on 12/24/2008.With 2GB SD Card speed: 150x . I surf the net,
Email…,Talk/phone/text with Skype(voice very clear) Microphone work
well, Edit photos( delete unwanted) Digital camera display window too
small, Battery life: 2 hours 10 minutes, Wireless run full speed of 54
Mbps. I loved this a little Eee PC 2 Surf G-Black . Asus 2 Surf is not
a Desk Top Computer.
 

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