(OT) (PL) Regarding Pricelessware Site, Genna, Susan, Garrett et. All

[Garrett]

Greetings to everyone,

I just want to make it known that my intent regarding this is not to
make waves or cause any trouble. No one asked me to do this, I offered
to do this because I thought that maybe it might put an end to the
angst and ill feelings.

I did not come back to ACF because of this situation, nor did anyone
from ACF contact me regarding this situation at all. It was chance
that I just decided to drop in to see how things were going.

I can't comment about Susan because I do not know Susan and I will not
allow this situation to be the basis of my opinion of Susan... I will
base my opinion of Susan on any contact that I may have with Susan.

I have no issues with another site being made, and I have no issues
with cooperating with another site if one is made. I have no issues
with sharing the responsibility of the yearly votes, trading off the
yearly votes etc.... Sharing links, sharing info, no problem. In
fact, I'd even be willing to help Susan if she desires to make her own
pricelessware site. As long as it benefits the concept of
Pricelessware and freeware. www.pricelessware.org does not have to be
the center of all things pricelessware or freeware.

I'm not doing this for myself, other than it will give me something to
do these days. I am here to serve merely as a tool to the
Pricelessware site, concept and intent. It is not my site per say, but
like anyone, I may add my own personal touch now and then (update the
site design).

I will not impose my will on anyone here and I will take suggesstions,
comments without prejudice, regardless of who, what, where etc.... My
opinion is no greater or lesser than anyone else here. I am not
interested in cliques or playing politics and will not participate in
such things. I'm not here to brown nose anyone's hind end, nor do I
want anyone trying to ram their nose up my tail pipe. I'm not here to
make friends or otherwise. I'm not here to server any single personal
agenda, but I am here to server the agenda of the whole, and I'm not
talking about my hole. Who I am and what my credentials are mean
nothing in this matter. It should only matter that I'm just willing
and happy to keep to help keep this site going and that I be as fair
and as open as possible... Ok, yes, a degree of knowledge in HTML is
helpful, and I at least have that covered.

I have no intent of making any profit from the site, or personal gain.
I may however, request donations if the need arises in order to keep
the site going. If it comes to that point, it would obviously be for
server costs and or domain payment. I would like to avoid advertising
BS on the site and will avoid it at all possible cost, and that means
avoiding advertising being imposed from free hosting. If all else
fails, and the site is in danger of being shut down due to lack of
funding, I will resort to the use of advertising and or moving to a
free host which may or may not impose advertising on the site, but this
is a last ditch effort. If donations or advertising revenue do come
into play, and there is excess funds left over, the money will either
be set aside for future costs of the site, or donated to some charity.

Last, I am not here to flame, insult, talk down to, intimidate or
anything else negative to anyone. We can all agree, disagree or
whatever, but the point is, that the site is intended to be a beacon
for anyone and everyone who is seeking possibly the best freeware on
the internet. Personal issues and situations should not be a factor,
and I hope to keep such things unrelated to the site and it's content.

I would like to ask everyone to please stop bashing Genna and Susan and
to just let this issue go. How long can a dead horse be beaten to
insure it's dead? Trust me, from what I've seen, the horse is dead and
rotted to the bone already. There's no meat left on it to pick at..

You don't have to like me, you don't have to like Susan and you don't
have to like Genna to be a part of the Pricelessware concept, you only
have to like freeware to be a part of this. Hey, you don't even have
to be a part of this, just use the info provided to your own desire.


I apologize if my jumping in like this has caused anyone any problems
with regards to this matter. It is not my intent to cause anyone any
problems.


Best regards,
-Garrett R. Hylltun

 

[*ProteanThread*]

Greetings to everyone,

I just want to make it known that my intent regarding this is not to
make waves or cause any trouble. No one asked me to do this, I offered
to do this because I thought that maybe it might put an end to the
angst and ill feelings.

I did not come back to ACF because of this situation, nor did anyone
from ACF contact me regarding this situation at all. It was chance
that I just decided to drop in to see how things were going.

I can't comment about Susan because I do not know Susan and I will not
allow this situation to be the basis of my opinion of Susan... I will
base my opinion of Susan on any contact that I may have with Susan.

I have no issues with another site being made, and I have no issues
with cooperating with another site if one is made. I have no issues
with sharing the responsibility of the yearly votes, trading off the
yearly votes etc.... Sharing links, sharing info, no problem. In
fact, I'd even be willing to help Susan if she desires to make her own
pricelessware site. As long as it benefits the concept of
Pricelessware and freeware. www.pricelessware.org does not have to be
the center of all things pricelessware or freeware.

I'm not doing this for myself, other than it will give me something to
do these days. I am here to serve merely as a tool to the
Pricelessware site, concept and intent. It is not my site per say, but
like anyone, I may add my own personal touch now and then (update the
site design).

I will not impose my will on anyone here and I will take suggesstions,
comments without prejudice, regardless of who, what, where etc.... My
opinion is no greater or lesser than anyone else here. I am not
interested in cliques or playing politics and will not participate in
such things. I'm not here to brown nose anyone's hind end, nor do I
want anyone trying to ram their nose up my tail pipe. I'm not here to
make friends or otherwise. I'm not here to server any single personal
agenda, but I am here to server the agenda of the whole, and I'm not
talking about my hole. Who I am and what my credentials are mean
nothing in this matter. It should only matter that I'm just willing
and happy to keep to help keep this site going and that I be as fair
and as open as possible... Ok, yes, a degree of knowledge in HTML is
helpful, and I at least have that covered.

I have no intent of making any profit from the site, or personal gain.
I may however, request donations if the need arises in order to keep
the site going. If it comes to that point, it would obviously be for
server costs and or domain payment. I would like to avoid advertising
BS on the site and will avoid it at all possible cost, and that means
avoiding advertising being imposed from free hosting. If all else
fails, and the site is in danger of being shut down due to lack of
funding, I will resort to the use of advertising and or moving to a
free host which may or may not impose advertising on the site, but this
is a last ditch effort. If donations or advertising revenue do come
into play, and there is excess funds left over, the money will either
be set aside for future costs of the site, or donated to some charity.

Last, I am not here to flame, insult, talk down to, intimidate or
anything else negative to anyone. We can all agree, disagree or
whatever, but the point is, that the site is intended to be a beacon
for anyone and everyone who is seeking possibly the best freeware on
the internet. Personal issues and situations should not be a factor,
and I hope to keep such things unrelated to the site and it's content.

I would like to ask everyone to please stop bashing Genna and Susan and
to just let this issue go. How long can a dead horse be beaten to
insure it's dead? Trust me, from what I've seen, the horse is dead and
rotted to the bone already. There's no meat left on it to pick at..

You don't have to like me, you don't have to like Susan and you don't
have to like Genna to be a part of the Pricelessware concept, you only
have to like freeware to be a part of this. Hey, you don't even have
to be a part of this, just use the info provided to your own desire.


I apologize if my jumping in like this has caused anyone any problems
with regards to this matter. It is not my intent to cause anyone any
problems.


Best regards,
-Garrett R. Hylltun

Will there be a way to mirror pricelessware.org on our own sites (like SoS
suggested) by downloading the html code needed ?

 

[POKO]

snip

Good start Garrett - welcome back and good luck with your new hobby. I
support everything you said. I wish Susan luck as well and look forward
to seeing that site.
If I can be of help to either of you with regard coding small projects,
just ask. Did I underline 'small'?
Best,
POKO

--
P. Keenan - Webmaster
Web Page Design
Manitoulin Island, Canada
http://manitoulinislandwebdesign.it-mate.co.uk/
(e-mail address removed)

 

[Susan Bugher]

Greetings to everyone,

I can't comment about Susan because I do not know Susan and I will not
allow this situation to be the basis of my opinion of Susan... I will
base my opinion of Susan on any contact that I may have with Susan.

I'm here - feel free to communicate on or offlist (remove whoi to email
me). FYI - any email discussion will be on the record - may be made public.

I have no issues with another site being made, and I have no issues
with cooperating with another site if one is made.

The alt.comp.freeware newsgroup has voted to *move* the Pricelessware
List web site. I'm sure we can work out arrangements for a mirror site
if you would like to have one.

I'm glad you *don't* feel you have issues another site. ISTM that would
be an indication you were out of touch with reality.

I have no issues

with sharing the responsibility of the yearly votes, trading off the
yearly votes etc.... Sharing links, sharing info, no problem. In
fact, I'd even be willing to help Susan if she desires to make her own
pricelessware site. As long as it benefits the concept of
Pricelessware and freeware. www.pricelessware.org does not have to be
the center of all things pricelessware or freeware.

You seem to be asserting you have the *right* to act as spokesperson for
the alt.comp.freeware newsgroup?

Please tell me the *basis* for that assumption? Were you appointed by God?

I would like to ask everyone to please stop bashing Genna and Susan and
to just let this issue go. How long can a dead horse be beaten to
insure it's dead? Trust me, from what I've seen, the horse is dead and
rotted to the bone already. There's no meat left on it to pick at..

Peace *was* starting to descend. . . Peace *will* descend if you accept
the decision of alt.comp.freeware newsgroup participants.

Susan

 

[Paul Blarmy]

On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 20:42:13 GMT, *ProteanThread* wrote...

Will there be a way to mirror pricelessware.org on our own sites (like SoS
suggested) by downloading the html code needed ?

You download the 'html' merely by browsing the existing site. Simply copy
it from your cache, make one or two minor alterations of your own
choosing and upload to a site of your choice. Probably best not to refer
to it as 'all your own work' in that case though

 

[*ProteanThread*]

On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 20:42:13 GMT, *ProteanThread* wrote...



You download the 'html' merely by browsing the existing site. Simply copy
it from your cache, make one or two minor alterations of your own
choosing and upload to a site of your choice. Probably best not to refer
to it as 'all your own work' in that case though

WEBhttrack would be the best to do this, huh ?

But I was suggesting that it maybe easier to download it in all one file
that way the contents and organization are preserved (the only minor change
would be where to point the files - since some may not actually want to host
no other files but the html files (and related images but not actual
download files))

 

[Paul Blarmy]

On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 17:16:47 -0400, Susan Bugher wrote...

You seem to be asserting you have the *right* to act as spokesperson for
the alt.comp.freeware newsgroup?

Please tell me the *basis* for that assumption? Were you appointed by God?

Is this the same person who earlier in her post said:

The alt.comp.freeware newsgroup has voted to *move* the Pricelessware
List web site. I'm sure we can work out arrangements for a mirror site
if you would like to have one.

You seem to be asserting you have the *right* to act as spokesperson for
the alt.comp.freeware newsgroup Susan?

Please tell me the *basis* for that assumption? Were you appointed by
God?

 

[Henk de Jong]

Garrett wrote on 1-7-2004 :

Greetings to everyone,

Welcome back, Garrett, and a lot of success with the continuation of
the Pricelessware site.

Like I already said in an earlier thread I hope that there will be a
situation where 2 sites about Pricelessware peacefully exist besides
each other. I also hope that the whole situation will be cleared within
a short matter of time.

With kind regards,

--
Henk de Jong
The Netherlands
(e-mail address removed) (Remove _NO_SPAM_)
'Links to Freeware'
http://www.linkstofreeware.vze.com/
http://home.hccnet.nl/hmdejong/

 

[Paul Blarmy]

On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 21:19:18 GMT, *ProteanThread* wrote...

But I was suggesting that it maybe easier to download it in all one file
that way the contents and organization are preserved (the only minor change
would be where to point the files - since some may not actually want to host
no other files but the html files (and related images but not actual
download files))

Does the existing site actually host any downloads? I must admit, if I
were to mirror the site I would only have links to download locations
rather than providing the downloads themselves.

 

[*ProteanThread*]

I'm here - feel free to communicate on or offlist (remove whoi to email
me). FYI - any email discussion will be on the record - may be made public.

The alt.comp.freeware newsgroup has voted to *move* the Pricelessware
List web site. I'm sure we can work out arrangements for a mirror site
if you would like to have one.

Yada, Yada, yea right.

I'm glad you *don't* feel you have issues another site. ISTM that would
be an indication you were out of touch with reality.

I have no issues

With a statement like that, apparently you do.

You seem to be asserting you have the *right* to act as spokesperson for
the alt.comp.freeware newsgroup?

Please tell me the *basis* for that assumption? Were you appointed by God?

Ok, this is nonsense. Here, Garrett is holding out an olive branch to Susan
and she trumps him. She trumps him of all things. From what she's recently
posted here and there, it sounds like Susans the one attempting to be
spokesperson and moderator of acf when there is none and can be none.

Peace *was* starting to descend. . . Peace *will* descend if you accept
the decision of alt.comp.freeware newsgroup participants.

*WTF* ???

Susan

Damn, susan. On the rag are we ? It'll take nothing short of you
controlling and owning the "pricelessware.org" domain and moderating acf to
make you happy huh ?


--

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http://rtdos.com/debate (politically charged discussions)
http://rtdos.com/guestbook (submit your links here)
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retro themed chats scheduled every Thursday @ 7PM MDT (0100 GMT) and
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[Susan Bugher]

Paul Blarmy wrote:

Does the existing site actually host any downloads? I must admit, if I
were to mirror the site I would only have links to download locations
rather than providing the downloads themselves.

The pricelessware.org site does not host any freeware programs. That may
change of course. . .

Susan

 

[Susan Bugher]

On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 17:16:47 -0400, Susan Bugher wrote...




Is this the same person who earlier in her post said:




You seem to be asserting you have the *right* to act as spokesperson for
the alt.comp.freeware newsgroup Susan?

Please tell me the *basis* for that assumption? Were you appointed by
God?

Originally chosen in default of any other volunteers. My position as
webmaster and point person for alt.comp.freeware was ratified recently
by alt.comp.freeware newsgroup participants when they supported my
request to move the Pricelessware List web site.

Susan

 

[dszady]

Garrett wrote: [...]
I have no issues

with sharing the responsibility of the yearly votes, trading off the
yearly votes etc.... Sharing links, sharing info, no problem. In
fact, I'd even be willing to help Susan if she desires to make her own
pricelessware site. As long as it benefits the concept of
Pricelessware and freeware. www.pricelessware.org does not have to be
the center of all things pricelessware or freeware.

You seem to be asserting you have the *right* to act as spokesperson for
the alt.comp.freeware newsgroup?

Please tell me the *basis* for that assumption? Were you appointed by God?

I have read Garrett's paragraph and your response at least 5 times. Your
being that defensive is disturbing to me. It seemed like he was offering
his help to a.c.f. which, I hope all of us agree to, is above any one
individual participating in this group, including you.
Maybe you PTFB too soon.

[...]

 

[default]

Originally chosen in default of any other volunteers. My position as
webmaster and point person for alt.comp.freeware was ratified recently
by alt.comp.freeware newsgroup participants when they supported my
request to move the Pricelessware List web site.

Susan

Just go for it. If all this stuff about "market economy" really does
work, why sweat the politicians? Is your agenda taking over
"freeware?' That, no one can do . . .

Sorry, I spend most of my time (elsewhere) lurking. Dial up . . . and
don't/can't play with the "big boys"

Domain names? are ephemeral at best.

I know I wasn't appointed by god - she and I aren't on speaking
terms. most days.

 

[Garrett]

I'm here - feel free to communicate on or offlist (remove whoi to
email me). FYI - any email discussion will be on the record - may be
made public.

Understood. But please note, that if someone contacts me privately and
requests that the contents of that private conversation be kept
private, I will respect the request unless otherwise forced by law to
reveal that information.

The alt.comp.freeware newsgroup has voted to move the Pricelessware
List web site. I'm sure we can work out arrangements for a mirror
site if you would like to have one.

I'm glad you *don't* feel you have issues another site. ISTM that
would be an indication you were out of touch with reality.

Please note, It has not been proven that I am in touch with reality.

I have no issues

You seem to be asserting you have the right to act as spokesperson
for the alt.comp.freeware newsgroup?

I am merely trying to keep the original site from being just dropped
due to an unfortunate situation. I am also concerned about the recent
vote situation. The grounds for it were less than admirable and I feel
the vote situation was forced upon everyone else due to a disagreement
by two people. Now, was this vote done at the request of the users of
the newsgroup, or at your request? Was everyone in favor of conducting
a vote? And who has the right to conduct such a vote?

Please tell me the basis for that assumption? Were you appointed by
God?

Please do not use religious references, or political references... I
try to avoid such things unless it is the topic at hand.

Peace was starting to descend. . . Peace will descend if you accept
the decision of alt.comp.freeware newsgroup participants.

I will accept the decision of the *Participants* of the newsgroup, as
long as the decision process is handled appropriately and without
malice.

At this point, I still feel the vote was tainted too much by a very bad
situation. Now, if a properly handled vote is conducted and the
results show that everyone wants to move the site, then I will do this;
I will continue to run pricelessware.org, but I will not partake in the
handling of the voting process for pricelessware. I will ask for
permission to post the results on pricelessware.org.

Also, due to the length of the threads regarding this situation, was
the vote for moving the site, or for starting a new site? Was the vote
to see who handles the pricelessware voting process? Was it vote on
who has the right to conduct the voting? Just what exactly was this
voting for? Move it, Clone it, Mirror it, Start fresh?

I do mean to sound as if I'm being ass.... As I said, the thread was
long, it was tainted and do not wish to partake in such a thread. So
someone please inform me of what the vote was for.

Personally, I would like to suggest a new vote, and that it be handled
by people who are not so involved in this, such as you, Genna, SOS,
myself etc... But others who are less likely to have any personal
feelings regarding this. And I'd like to ask that if such a thing does
happen, that it be conducted with some civility so that people don't
feel forced into something.

Is this fair to ask of you and everyone else here? If not, then I
digress and bow down to you and the wishes of the *Participants* of the
newsgroup.

Either way, pricelessware.org will continue to operate as a site
listing pricelessware selections. Whether or not it is allowed to be a
part of the voting etc......... I leave that in hands of the true
users and visitors of this newsgroup.

We can all work together, we can all work against each other, but
either way, let's get the ground rules set here so everyone can get on
with their lives.

Best regards,
-Garrett

 

[Garrett]

Will there be a way to mirror pricelessware.org on our own sites
(like SoS suggested) by downloading the html code needed ?

Regardless if pricelessware.org is allowed to participate in the voting
process, I will make available text files of the listings on the site.
This way, anyone who wants to mirror, can do so with their own design.
The text will be made into a text CSV file, so it should be easy enough
for anyone to parse out and implement into their own design. This also
makes mirroring a little easier on the bandwidth.

Of course, that is, if I am allowed to offer this. It's really up to
everyone here.

Best regards,
-Garrett

 

[Susan Bugher]

Garrett wrote:
[...]

I have no issues

with sharing the responsibility of the yearly votes, trading off the
yearly votes etc.... Sharing links, sharing info, no problem. In
fact, I'd even be willing to help Susan if she desires to make her own
pricelessware site. As long as it benefits the concept of
Pricelessware and freeware. www.pricelessware.org does not have to be
the center of all things pricelessware or freeware.

You seem to be asserting you have the *right* to act as spokesperson for
the alt.comp.freeware newsgroup?

Please tell me the *basis* for that assumption? Were you appointed by God?

I have read Garrett's paragraph and your response at least 5 times. Your
being that defensive is disturbing to me. It seemed like he was offering
his help to a.c.f. which, I hope all of us agree to, is above any one
individual participating in this group, including you.
Maybe you PTFB too soon.

Hi Dszady,

Well the way I read it he's claiming pricelessware.org is going to
continue to be the "official" site of the Pricelessware List and he's
now the official spokesperson for alt.comp.freeware.

ACF *voted* to *move* the Pricelessware List web site. If Garrett wants
to *overturn* that vote he should ask for *another* *vote* - *NOT*
simply ignore the wishes of the newsgroup.

Now if Garrett says that pricelessware.org is simply going to be an
unofficial mirror site I'll be a happy camper *and* I'll offer my most
humble apologies for misunderstanding his first post.

Susan

 

[*ProteanThread*]

At this point, I still feel the vote was tainted too much by a very bad
situation. Now, if a properly handled vote is conducted and the
results show that everyone wants to move the site, then I will do this;
I will continue to run pricelessware.org, but I will not partake in the
handling of the voting process for pricelessware. I will ask for
permission to post the results on pricelessware.org.

I agree, it'd almost have to certainly be hasn't really partaked in any of
these threads if at all.

Also, due to the length of the threads regarding this situation, was
the vote for moving the site, or for starting a new site? Was the vote
to see who handles the pricelessware voting process? Was it vote on
who has the right to conduct the voting? Just what exactly was this
voting for? Move it, Clone it, Mirror it, Start fresh?

IMHO, i don't feel we ever got a straight answer.

I do mean to sound as if I'm being ass.... As I said, the thread was
long, it was tainted and do not wish to partake in such a thread. So
someone please inform me of what the vote was for.

You're about as clueless as the rest of us.

Personally, I would like to suggest a new vote, and that it be handled
by people who are not so involved in this, such as you, Genna, SOS,
myself etc... But others who are less likely to have any personal
feelings regarding this. And I'd like to ask that if such a thing does
happen, that it be conducted with some civility so that people don't
feel forced into something.

I nominate MightyKitten if this were to take place but now that is moot.

Is this fair to ask of you and everyone else here? If not, then I
digress and bow down to you and the wishes of the *Participants* of the
newsgroup.

No need to. You're fine.

Either way, pricelessware.org will continue to operate as a site
listing pricelessware selections. Whether or not it is allowed to be a
part of the voting etc......... I leave that in hands of the true
users and visitors of this newsgroup.

I wish Susan did that.

We can all work together, we can all work against each other, but
either way, let's get the ground rules set here so everyone can get on
with their lives.

Best regards,
-Garrett

Good Luck.



--

Woodzy
http://www.rtdos.com (alternate OS for games based on the classics)
http://rtdos.com/debate (politically charged discussions)
http://rtdos.com/guestbook (submit your links here)
http://rtdos.com/forum (rtdos message boards)
http://rtdos.com/rtdos (rtdos active developer chat)

http://rtdos.com/chat
retro themed chats scheduled every Thursday @ 7PM MDT (0100 GMT) and
every Sunday @ 1PM MDT (1900 GMT)

 

[jo]

Like I already said in an earlier thread I hope that there will be a
situation where 2 sites about Pricelessware peacefully exist besides
each other. I also hope that the whole situation will be cleared within
a short matter of time.

Two sites about freeware, for sure; no problem. But is
'Pricelessware' not an a.c.f concept?
A newsgroup tends to have a shifting power dynamic which a 'mediator'
ought to be recognising. I've been here on and off under different
nyms for more than 3 year now and have never heard of Genna until this
mess started. Susan has always been a prominent presence in the group.
SoS has always been a prominent presence in the group. Who on earth is
Garrett?

'The best of the best in Windows © Freeware,
as determined by the readers of alt.comp.freeware'

The above phrase suggests a measure of group dynamic/democracy does it
not?
Which now looks to be in danger of going out of the window as the old
guard clique make a few decisions behind closed doors and patronise
the person who has been doing the work the last few years.
And your 'mediation' (LOL) enables this.
Jolly good, you say... PL is back online; hey Susan STFU and get back
on board, host your little ego site and do all the work as always and
Genna and Garrett will throw you a few crumbs of recognition from the
'official' (wtf does that mean?) PL site.

Maybe Genna and Garrett will start contributing to the group in a real
sense; I don't know. I do know that spending a few dollars a year in
order to hold control of a domain is not much of a contribution. Nor
is doing a bit of HTML work at Genna/SoS's request because one is
bored.

If I was Susan in this week's climate, I would resign again; your
'mediation' appears to be working towards this.

What is your 23 yr mediation cv btw?

 

[Susan]

I am merely trying to keep the original site from being just dropped
due to an unfortunate situation. I am also concerned about the recent
vote situation. The grounds for it were less than admirable and I feel
the vote situation was forced upon everyone else due to a disagreement
by two people. Now, was this vote done at the request of the users of
the newsgroup, or at your request? Was everyone in favor of conducting
a vote? And who has the right to conduct such a vote?

I will accept the decision of the *Participants* of the newsgroup, as
long as the decision process is handled appropriately and without
malice.

At this point, I still feel the vote was tainted too much by a very bad
situation. Now, if a properly handled vote is conducted and the
results show that everyone wants to move the site, then I will do this;
I will continue to run pricelessware.org, but I will not partake in the
handling of the voting process for pricelessware. I will ask for
permission to post the results on pricelessware.org.

Also, due to the length of the threads regarding this situation, was
the vote for moving the site, or for starting a new site? Was the vote
to see who handles the pricelessware voting process? Was it vote on
who has the right to conduct the voting? Just what exactly was this
voting for? Move it, Clone it, Mirror it, Start fresh?

I do mean to sound as if I'm being ass.... As I said, the thread was
long, it was tainted and do not wish to partake in such a thread. So
someone please inform me of what the vote was for.

Personally, I would like to suggest a new vote, and that it be handled
by people who are not so involved in this, such as you, Genna, SOS,
myself etc... But others who are less likely to have any personal
feelings regarding this. And I'd like to ask that if such a thing does
happen, that it be conducted with some civility so that people don't
feel forced into something.

Is this fair to ask of you and everyone else here? If not, then I
digress and bow down to you and the wishes of the *Participants* of the
newsgroup.

Either way, pricelessware.org will continue to operate as a site
listing pricelessware selections. Whether or not it is allowed to be a
part of the voting etc......... I leave that in hands of the true
users and visitors of this newsgroup.

We can all work together, we can all work against each other, but
either way, let's get the ground rules set here so everyone can get on
with their lives.

Best regards,
-Garrett

I totally agree and would like a vote taken as described above. I missed the
other vote somehow

Susan