(OT) New PL domain funding

[burnr]

Susan posted earlier that she is willing to pay for a new domain and
hosting, but would prefer the "ownership" be of more than one person and
not to include her. The intent, as I understand it, is an effort to
ensure the site will live on should Susan become unable to continue for
whatever reason. Hey, we all have personal lives and who knows what will
happen tomorrow.

I am willing to contribute/donate towards this and would be interested to
know if anyone else would like to as well.

I'm not sure how those interested would prefer to handle it. An option
could be a paypal account that people could donate to. How else might
this be accomplished?

Another PL domain and site is imminent and Susan will be the
webmaster/mistress. Anyone have other ideas for the funding…paypal, good
or bad idea…just rely on individual donations maybe? I'm not sure. I can
be contacted with email through either domain in my sig. use webmaster@
if you think you need to or simply post here.

Btw…my vote for the name is pricelessware-acf.org but it doesn't matter
that much to me really. A rose is a rose by any other name

 

[Semolina Pilchard]

Susan posted earlier that she is willing to pay for a new domain and
hosting, but would prefer the "ownership" be of more than one person and
not to include her. The intent, as I understand it, is an effort to
ensure the site will live on should Susan become unable to continue for
whatever reason. Hey, we all have personal lives and who knows what will
happen tomorrow.

I think it was REM who suggested this. IIRC, Susan didn't want to be
owner of the site. But I'm glad you've brought it up again.

I am willing to contribute/donate towards this and would be interested to
know if anyone else would like to as well.

Yep. I would, too.

I'm not sure how those interested would prefer to handle it. An option
could be a paypal account that people could donate to. How else might
this be accomplished?

A Paypal account might well be the way to go, unless anyone knows a
good reason against it. My own plastic is OK in the UK, but isn't
always accepted internationally.

Another PL domain and site is imminent and Susan will be the
webmaster/mistress. Anyone have other ideas for the funding…paypal, good
or bad idea…just rely on individual donations maybe? I'm not sure. I can
be contacted with email through either domain in my sig. use webmaster@
if you think you need to or simply post here.

Btw…my vote for the name is pricelessware-acf.org but it doesn't matter
that much to me really. A rose is a rose by any other name

Your vote has been counted ;-)

 

[James]

I am willing to contribute/donate towards this and would be interested to
know if anyone else would like to as well.

I'm happy to contribute also. A site officially funded by acf members
would avoid ownership issues going forward. It would not preclude
privately owned sites hosting the pricelessware list if they choose.

James

 

[burnr]

A site officially funded by acf members
would avoid ownership issues going forward. It would not preclude
privately owned sites hosting the pricelessware list if they choose.

Agreed!

 

[Auntie Em]

<rodney king> Can't we all just get along? </rodney king>

Em

 

[John Fitzsimons]

Susan posted earlier that she is willing to pay for a new domain and
hosting,

< snip >

Good. Let her. We have a PL site. We don't need another.

 

[Ben Cooper]

Susan posted earlier that she is willing to pay for a new domain and
hosting, but would prefer the "ownership" be of more than one person
and not to include her. The intent, as I understand it, is an effort
to ensure the site will live on should Susan become unable to
continue for whatever reason. Hey, we all have personal lives and who
knows what will happen tomorrow.

I am willing to contribute/donate towards this and would be
interested to know if anyone else would like to as well.

I'd be glad to help finance the new site, but, the devil is in the
details. *If* all the details can be gathered and presented in such a
way that they may be openly scrutinized by anyone here.
Ideally, a non-profit corporation should be organized to facilitate the
operation of the site. But, honestly, I don't have the time it would
take to set up such a corporation.

I'm not sure how those interested would prefer to handle it. An option
could be a paypal account that people could donate to. How else might
this be accomplished?

Another PL domain and site is imminent and Susan will be the
webmaster/mistress. Anyone have other ideas for the funding…paypal,
good or bad idea…just rely on individual donations maybe? I'm not
sure. I can be contacted with email through either domain in my sig.
use webmaster@ if you think you need to or simply post here.

If a new site is imminent, some one person is going to have to pay the
original expenses, and this takes us back to the problem of one person
owning the domain name.

Btw…my vote for the name is pricelessware-acf.org but it doesn't
matter that much to me really. A rose is a rose by any other name

That's as good as any other name. I do think Pricelessware *should* be
in the name.
Basically, if you build a good site, people will use it and remember it.
Just as Susan's abilities have proven. Pricelessware.org earned its
reputation not because Genna owned the site but because Susan made it
useable in a way that it wasn't before.

 

[POKO]

Susan posted earlier that she is willing to pay for a new domain and
hosting, but would prefer the "ownership" be of more than one person and
not to include her. The intent, as I understand it,
snip

This whole business has gone too far as far as I am concerned. I am
officially withdrawing any support or participation to both sides. Maybe
the rest of you get off with all this shit - I take it to heart and it
bothers me too much. John F. pointed out that the vote was to move files
not domain. This is how I interpretted the vote as well so I feel using
the results of that vote are wrong. While I supported Susan from the
standpoint of an unhappy webmaster, I am now questionning her actions as
being just a bit tainted. However, do the hell what you want.
I can no longer enjoy reading this ng so I am out of here. POKO
--
P. Keenan - Webmaster
Web Page Design
Manitoulin Island, Canada
http://manitoulinislandwebdesign.it-mate.co.uk/
(e-mail address removed)

 

[REM]

burnr <[email protected]> wrote:

Susan posted earlier that she is willing to pay for a new domain and
hosting, but would prefer the "ownership" be of more than one person and
not to include her. The intent, as I understand it, is an effort to
ensure the site will live on should Susan become unable to continue for
whatever reason. Hey, we all have personal lives and who knows what will
happen tomorrow.

I am willing to contribute/donate towards this and would be interested to
know if anyone else would like to as well.

I'm certainly in. And it's very good to see that you are working with
Susan on the new site!

I'm not sure how those interested would prefer to handle it. An option
could be a paypal account that people could donate to. How else might
this be accomplished?

I'll just send cash in a card. I went electronic in banking and have
no checks. I've heard much bad about PayPal. I'm not sure if any of it
is true or not, but I'd prefer a simple snail mail.

Btw…my vote for the name is pricelessware-acf.org but it doesn't matter
that much to me really. A rose is a rose by any other name

The last Quote from Semolina's list:

" PROPOSED

acfware.org
acfPricelessWare.org
acfpw.org
acf-pricelessware.org
acf_pricelessware.org
pricelessware-acf.org
PricelessWareList.org
PricelessWareList.net
PricelessWareList.com
PricelesswareHome.com/net/org
ThePricelesswareSite.com/net/org
PricelesswareSite.com/net/org

How about

PricelesswareHome.com/net/org
ThePricelesswareSite.com/net/org
PricelesswareSite.com/net/org

These are all good suggestions and I've added them into the list. The
list grows ever longer and there are no clear winners at the moment,
though PricelessWareList.* leads by a short head."

It's rather difficult to select. I like the shorter domain names best.
I like "acf" being a part of the domain and site name.

"pricelessware-acf.org" is fine with me.

 

[R. L.]

These are all good suggestions and I've added them into the
list. The list grows ever longer and there are no clear
winners at the moment, though PricelessWareList.* leads by
a short head."

Not that my opinion matters, but I *really* love this one

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[burnr]

If a new site is imminent, some one person is going to have to pay the
original expenses, and this takes us back to the problem of one person
owning the domain name.

Yes, I share your concerns. My vote is have to Susan be the one who
"signs the contract", even though she would (myself included and others)
prefer the ownership be a joint thing, I just don't see how that's
possible. Susan has expressed the desire to continue as webmaster for PL.
I think she has *earned* the right. Since the current circumstances
appear to make it unlikely with the current domain, I intend to help her
secure a new domain.

I personally have no desire to webmaster the PL site or own the domain.
My plate is more than full as it is. However, I do feel strongly about
Susan being able to carry on with the excellent job she's done for the 2
years I've been here. Sorry, I know this hasn't answered or resolved your
concerns. Bottom line...Susan needs help, she now needs a domain and she
needs group support as the PL site webmaster. In my book, she has earned
that, so I'll do what I can to help.

 

[burnr]

Susan posted earlier that she is willing to pay for a new domain and
hosting, but would prefer the "ownership" be of more than one person
and not to include her. The intent, as I understand it, is an effort
to ensure the site will live on should Susan become unable to continue
for whatever reason. Hey, we all have personal lives and who knows
what will happen tomorrow.

It appears that funding for the new domain is secured. It would be nice
to set up some kind of account somewhere, somehow to help ensure that the
domain continues after we're all long gone Future project!

Group dynamics is an interesting thing. And for a few of us, "freeware"
is a passionate thing. Even though I'm one of them, that passion is hard
to understand or explain. Ever talk to someone at work about "freeware"
LOL.

Groups of people are *easily* swayed from one opinion to another with an
appropriate mix of clever words and playing on inherent emotions. What's
happening here is classic and not really surprising.

For me it is "black and white" in clarity. The webmaster for the
"official" (admitted or not, everyone wants one) PL web site, for the
last 2 years that I know of has done an extremely good job of not only
maintaining the site, but building it as well. A conflict arises between
Susan and Genna. Bottom line...Susan feels she can no longer continue.
The issues between Susan and Genna are their business, not mine, not
anybody elses. Plain and simple.

Vote to move...majority says yes. After much more mud slinging,
accusations, poor choices of words, emotional posts and replies, a new
webmaster for the current site being "appointed", vote called in to
question, all these things contribute to the confusion.

My intentions are simple...Susan has *earned* the right to continue
webmastering the PL site in my opinion. I will support that however I
can. Nothing against Garrett, Genna, SOS, or anybody else. I just think
Susan deserves it, if that's what she wants. Call me a "pycho-elephant"
or "sysch.." something or other (butt kisser basically) whatever trips
your trigger. I don't know Susan from the man in the moon, I know her
dedication and skills from what she has demonstrated for the last 2 years
I've been here. That's a long time to be doing this. That is what gains
my respect and support.

I've tried not to contribute to the controversy and am reluctant to show
loyality to Susan as that potentially damages her support from those who
don't particularly like me. But I'm as susceptable to the group dynamics
as everybody else. I had to weigh in my opinion. Take it for what it's
worth.

 

[REM]

Yes, I share your concerns. My vote is have to Susan be the one who
"signs the contract", even though she would (myself included and others)
prefer the ownership be a joint thing, I just don't see how that's
possible.

I don't have any problem in chipping in and allowing Susan to place
the domain in her name. Should she wish not to, I don't mind putting
it in my name or Ben's name either. It really doesn't matter.

I don't think that any formal changes need to occur. It's just an
informal group chipping in to buy a domain and hosting services for a
great freeware site.

I personally have no desire to webmaster the PL site or own the domain.
My plate is more than full as it is. However, I do feel strongly about
Susan being able to carry on with the excellent job she's done for the 2
years I've been here. Sorry, I know this hasn't answered or resolved your
concerns. Bottom line...Susan needs help, she now needs a domain and she
needs group support as the PL site webmaster. In my book, she has earned
that, so I'll do what I can to help.

Well said. And I also will do whatever I can to help.

I would like to propose that we select a domain and buy it pretty
quickly to get things going. If anyone wants to contribute after the
fact the contributions can be placed into a fund for the next years
registration. No problem there. We'll get a listmail going to verify
donations among all concerned.

I don't think it's possible to host the CD. That's some pretty serious
bandwidth! We can reform the CD burners portion after things get
going. And I had pretty good luck using WinMX back a year or so ago. I
grabbed some of the albums I have (my turntable died two decades ago).
I got a single file 80 meg double album easily, as downloads resume,
at 24,600 bps. Maybe we could get a group with the image online once a
week or so to seed from. Sunday seems to be a slack day. I'd be
willing to leave the machine on for downloads the entire day.
BitTorrent is another possibility.

Another route for high speed connections; create a page with direct dl
links for all of the programs on the CD.

Is there any interest in archiving the PL files that allow
redistribution on personal sites? I have ~15 spare gigs of bandwidth
per month. These could be the alternate links and would protect the
versions voted for, in case the ware type changes or if the author
site goes down. Jeez, Open Office and programs like that might be too
much, but the majority of the programs are small enough to archive.

 

[REM]

John Fitzsimons <[email protected]> wrote:

Good. Let her. We have a PL site. We don't need another.

John, I know you to be a civil person. The threads have been emotional
I know. But we are trying to have a civil thread concerning the new
domain. If you want to participate, great! If not, please allow us to
discuss this amongst ourselves.

I noticed that most of your posts contain "character assassination" on
one hand, while you manage to call Susan derogatory names or portray
her in a negative fashion on the other in each post.

Civil people do not resort to name calling, regardless of the
circumstances. Can we agree upon this?

Civil people do not try to destroy constructive threads. That is,
attempts to censure by thread disruption. Can we also agree upon this?

For the record, in the vote thread, there were 191 posts that I
received, 15 were made by you. You made 7.85% of the posts in what you
called a "useless thread." Is it possible that you might be taking
this a bit more personal than a newsgroup conversation is meant to be?
That is just one of the threads...

<[email protected]>

 

[burnr]

I don't have any problem in chipping in and allowing Susan to place
the domain in her name. Should she wish not to, I don't mind putting
it in my name or Ben's name either. It really doesn't matter.

I don't think that any formal changes need to occur. It's just an
informal group chipping in to buy a domain and hosting services for a
great freeware site.


Well said. And I also will do whatever I can to help.

I would like to propose that we select a domain and buy it pretty
quickly to get things going. If anyone wants to contribute after the
fact the contributions can be placed into a fund for the next years
registration. No problem there. We'll get a listmail going to verify
donations among all concerned.

I don't think it's possible to host the CD. That's some pretty serious
bandwidth! We can reform the CD burners portion after things get
going. And I had pretty good luck using WinMX back a year or so ago. I
grabbed some of the albums I have (my turntable died two decades ago).
I got a single file 80 meg double album easily, as downloads resume,
at 24,600 bps. Maybe we could get a group with the image online once a
week or so to seed from. Sunday seems to be a slack day. I'd be
willing to leave the machine on for downloads the entire day.
BitTorrent is another possibility.

Another route for high speed connections; create a page with direct dl
links for all of the programs on the CD.

Is there any interest in archiving the PL files that allow
redistribution on personal sites? I have ~15 spare gigs of bandwidth
per month. These could be the alternate links and would protect the
versions voted for, in case the ware type changes or if the author
site goes down. Jeez, Open Office and programs like that might be too
much, but the majority of the programs are small enough to archive.

I can offer space and some bandwidth. Gotta run to work right now.
We'll sort this all out though.

 

[James]

My intentions are simple...Susan has *earned* the right to continue
webmastering the PL site in my opinion. I will support that however I
can. Nothing against Garrett, Genna, SOS, or anybody else. I just think
Susan deserves it, if that's what she wants. Call me a "pycho-elephant"
or "sysch.." something or other (butt kisser basically) whatever trips
your trigger. I don't know Susan from the man in the moon, I know her
dedication and skills from what she has demonstrated for the last 2 years
I've been here. That's a long time to be doing this. That is what gains
my respect and support.

I couldn't agree with you more (except for the 'butt kisser bit . It's
also what gains my respect & support. Most newsgroups on Usenet would have
to look long and hard to find someone so selfless in giving time and energy
to supporting the ongoing questions & discussions on a daily basis,
organising annual PL voting & results, building and maintaining the PL
website and constantly looking for ways to improve whilst keeping everyone
in the group actively involved in all discussions.

I also have nothing against Genna or SOS but I must say I am surprised and
disappointed they have tolerated without comment the 'support' they receive
from a few posters with such vitriolic comments to make about Susan. At
least most people who posted on both sides did so with polite criticism
supporting their viewpoints. There is really no need to tolerate such
non-stop venomous commentary.

 

[REM]

"R. L." <ringomeinew@_hot_mail_.YOU_KNOW_THE_REST> wrote:

REM <[email protected]>

Not that my opinion matters, but I *really* love this one

Haha, you're just too nice R.L. Your opinion matters as much as mine
does. Thanks again for your moderating comments. I think many, myself
included, might have been wound a bit tight in some of the
discussions. It's always nice to have a moderating voice reminding us
that either extreme is off center, and somewhere near center is where
we should be.

And welcome back. You were gone for quite awhile there. I know that
those truly interested in freeware will make their way back soon
enough though! Never fails!

 

[R. L.]

news:[email protected]:

Hi, I just want to say thank you very much for all the
contributions, including Susans. I will love to see both this
and Garrett's site up and it will be really fun to have both.

For me it is "black and white" in clarity. The webmaster
for the "official" (admitted or not, everyone wants one) PL
web site,

I used to think that way, too. But there have been no other
offers. But now we have more than one. We don't have to
choose, both of them should be welcomed. In addition, I guess
after the whole thing I feel that we can't just trust one or
two person anymore. For example, if Garrett eventually face
similar problem that Susan faced? Or what if Susan cannot
carry on for some personal reason (this happened to Genna).
Will will be sort of forced to vote again?

But as an alternative we can see the ultimate site as in here,
the forum, all other websites are only our channels, the more
sites that are established to do so the better. Anyone who
want to contribute should be included, you see what I mean?

for the last 2 years that I know of has done an
extremely good job of not only maintaining the site, but
building it as well. A conflict arises between Susan and
Genna.

I totally agree. In fact the orginally idea of "official
site" steamed from Genna - to have a home for the PL ware list
because there were none. But does it have to be just one
*official* one? It seems that if we are back to the interest
in serving freeware, the more PL sites the better. In fact,
your own site could also report PL list voting results, too,
it will be fun

Bottom line...Susan feels she can no longer
continue. The issues between Susan and Genna are their
business, not mine, not anybody elses. Plain and simple.

This is all not relevant anymore.

Vote to move...majority says yes. After much more mud
slinging, accusations, poor choices of words, emotional
posts and replies, a new webmaster for the current site
being "appointed", vote called in to question, all these
things contribute to the confusion.

I think/ and also personally feel that, even starting from the
beginning we (or at least I) fell into the whole trap of
thinking that Genna's site can truely belong to a "group"
here. It is only an ideal (I like it, a very good spirit
although). But the fact is, it is not practical. She really
"own" it in a pragmatic sense and it was just plain nice for
her to offer it as a space to host the list (Just like whoever
own the new domains would be. ). Thinking it as sort of
*official* had lead us down to the road of exclusiveness.

Yet, freeware information and the report of the activities
should not have been exclusive at all (it was wrong to be
exclusive). I mean, if another person offer to provide the
same thing, if we really love freeware, both should be
welcomed. Just like now, both the new sites and the old site
should be welcomed and encouraged. And if more people want to
contribute, more should be welcomed, too.

A final problem of having an "official" site would eventually
make "power fighting" or "power play" un-avoidable. Imagine
one day there really one person who love power to come along
and try to grab for the official this official that? It will
be a mess. As far as no *official* thing, no power fight.
Can you imagine J.C and J.C fight for an *official* FAQ - you
can imagine the rest....

My intentions are simple...Susan has *earned* the right to
continue webmastering the PL site in my opinion. I will
support that however I can. Nothing against Garrett, Genna,
SOS, or anybody else. I just think Susan deserves it, if

You know, we all love Susan, no disagreement here. She has
been so helpful and nice.

damages her support from those who don't particularly like
me.

don't worry, I like you you have a wonderful site
yourself



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[=?iso-8859-1?Q?Omar=A9?=]

It appears that funding for the new domain is secured. It would be nice
to set up some kind of account somewhere, somehow to help ensure that the
domain continues after we're all long gone Future project!

Group dynamics is an interesting thing. And for a few of us, "freeware"
is a passionate thing. Even though I'm one of them, that passion is hard
to understand or explain. Ever talk to someone at work about "freeware"
LOL.

Groups of people are *easily* swayed from one opinion to another with an
appropriate mix of clever words and playing on inherent emotions. What's
happening here is classic and not really surprising.

For me it is "black and white" in clarity. The webmaster for the
"official" (admitted or not, everyone wants one) PL web site, for the
last 2 years that I know of has done an extremely good job of not only
maintaining the site, but building it as well. A conflict arises between
Susan and Genna. Bottom line...Susan feels she can no longer continue.
The issues between Susan and Genna are their business, not mine, not
anybody elses. Plain and simple.

Vote to move...majority says yes. After much more mud slinging,
accusations, poor choices of words, emotional posts and replies, a new
webmaster for the current site being "appointed", vote called in to
question, all these things contribute to the confusion.

My intentions are simple...Susan has *earned* the right to continue
webmastering the PL site in my opinion. I will support that however I
can. Nothing against Garrett, Genna, SOS, or anybody else. I just think
Susan deserves it, if that's what she wants. Call me a "pycho-elephant"
or "sysch.." something or other (butt kisser basically) whatever trips
your trigger. I don't know Susan from the man in the moon, I know her
dedication and skills from what she has demonstrated for the last 2 years
I've been here. That's a long time to be doing this. That is what gains
my respect and support.

I've tried not to contribute to the controversy and am reluctant to show
loyality to Susan as that potentially damages her support from those who
don't particularly like me. But I'm as susceptable to the group dynamics
as everybody else. I had to weigh in my opinion. Take it for what it's
worth.

Ditto and count me in for support.
Omar

 

[=?iso-8859-1?Q?Omar=A9?=]

I don't have any problem in chipping in and allowing Susan to place
the domain in her name. Should she wish not to, I don't mind putting
it in my name or Ben's name either. It really doesn't matter.

I don't think that any formal changes need to occur. It's just an
informal group chipping in to buy a domain and hosting services for a
great freeware site.


Well said. And I also will do whatever I can to help.

I would like to propose that we select a domain and buy it pretty
quickly to get things going. If anyone wants to contribute after the
fact the contributions can be placed into a fund for the next years
registration. No problem there. We'll get a listmail going to verify
donations among all concerned.

Susan has my e-mail and when she's ready I'll send a check rather then
Paypal.
Omar