(OT) New PL domain funding

[B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson]

Susan posted earlier that she is willing to pay for a new domain and
hosting, but would prefer the "ownership" be of more than one person and
not to include her. The intent, as I understand it, is an effort to
ensure the site will live on should Susan become unable to continue for
whatever reason. Hey, we all have personal lives and who knows what will
happen tomorrow.

The more I follow the discussions, the stronger I believe R. L. and
some others are right: After such controversies we shouldn't head for
one 'official' site hosting the PL. Every group or entity can (and
should) create its own, if it pleases. The 'true reference' is not
(and never was, in fact) a website. The results are published and
agreed upon within acf.

But if we don't support a *singular* site, then there is no need to
split responsibility for domain, website, and design/content. All
three should be in one hand. Supporters can show their consent by
offering help (for the work to be done) and by donating money.

So it is up to everybody or every group to settle down possibilities
for participation and sponsoring. The person who owns the domain
and the site has all rights and no duties. So it entails the same
situation as with donationware: We reward past work and further
expectations by our support. But we can do nothing if a project is
abandoned. If need comes, *all* rights could be transferred in a
*single* step, if the person who owns them is inclined to do so.

At least there would be no dispute around access rights and such,
anymore...

BeAr

 

[Susan Bugher]

I don't have any problem in chipping in and allowing Susan to place
the domain in her name. Should she wish not to, I don't mind putting
it in my name or Ben's name either. It really doesn't matter.

domain name
web site
webmaster/ point person

ISTM that one thing matters: nothing else should be in my name while I
am acting as webmaster/point person for the newsgroup. Burnr will also
have full access to the site. . . could he be the owner?

*perhaps*:
one person to collect and dispurse donations from the group
one person to "own" the domain name
one person to "own" the web site

Ben, REMbranded, Burnr, Semolina, etc. etc. etc.

Would you people please sort out the plan, figure out who is going to do
what - who is going to "own" what - ask for *objections* - make
revisions if necessary - and proceed. IOW - let's get this show on the
road.

The Pricelessware List web pages need to be updated - let's find a home
for them so I can get back to work.

Susan

 

[John Fitzsimons]

My intentions are simple...Susan has *earned* the right to continue
webmastering the PL site in my opinion.

Then she can do what Genna did. Find a site and domain and pay for
them.

I will support that however I
can. Nothing against Garrett, Genna, SOS, or anybody else.

< snip >

Sorry, that means nothing. By supporting the conflict that Susan has
started in the group you have taken sides. You are working against the
people who not only created the PL concept AND created PL pages but
also paid for and arranged a domain for us all.

Your choice however. Do as you please. That doesn't mean that a
number of us will cease being disappointed in your encouraging
division in the group.

 

[John Fitzsimons]

This whole business has gone too far as far as I am concerned. I am
officially withdrawing any support or participation to both sides. Maybe
the rest of you get off with all this shit - I take it to heart and it
bothers me too much. John F. pointed out that the vote was to move files
not domain. This is how I interpretted the vote as well so I feel using
the results of that vote are wrong.

< snip >

Yes, but Susan is not past using your vote. or others, in a dishonest
way in order to achieve her ends.

 

[John Fitzsimons]

On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 17:00:22 GMT, "R. L."

I guess
after the whole thing I feel that we can't just trust one or
two person anymore.

No idea why you say that. Genna has been trustworthy and
continues to be. It is Susan who refuses to work with her.
Not the other way around.

For example, if Garrett eventually face
similar problem that Susan faced?

No chance of that. Garrett is happy to cooperate with people.

Or what if Susan cannot
carry on for some personal reason (this happened to Genna).
Will will be sort of forced to vote again?

No. If Susan leaves then Garrett will simply continue as arranged.

< snip >

Regards, John.

 

[John Fitzsimons]

Pricelessware.org earned its
reputation not because Genna owned the site but because Susan made it
useable in a way that it wasn't before.

Rubbish. It had earned a good reputation before Susan got here.

 

[R. L.]

On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 17:00:22 GMT, "R. L."

No idea why you say that. Genna has been trustworthy and
continues to be. It is Susan who refuses to work with her.
Not the other way around.

I say that not to specific person, though (neither to Susan
nor to Genna). I just mean in a general term, in the future -
no one can predict the future. Having a welcomed and open
attutude towards ANY one who are willing to construbute
(including Susan) is important. I mean we cannot just say we
have *one* and only *one* official site that "represents" the
whole "group"(indeed just newsgroup) or "members" (indeed just
participant). We are thus far very lucky that Garrett, SOS,
Genna and Susan are very selflessly helping (please, give
Susan the benefit of the doubts would you?). But if we say we
can only have one site, what if hypothetically, it did fall
into the wrong hand one day (perhaps not in the forseeable
future, but no one can rule out that possiblily). Some one
got the site domain and is also an owner, and turn it into
some kind of money making thing? But are not treating the
site as an "ultimate" thing, but treat the result posted here
as the first-hand channel, keeping the information open, no
one would need to fight for that "official site" any more.

All in all, when I say "I feel that we can't just trust one or
two person anymore", I mean in this particular context.

No chance of that. Garrett is happy to cooperate with
people.

Glad to hear that, hope that it will work out fine Can't
wait to see the new site.

No. If Susan leaves then Garrett will simply continue as
arranged.

Silly, you miss my point again, I mean in general, if we think
we can have just one single site as an *official* site.
Anyhow. Perhaps go back to lurk mode again soon....




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[Garrett]

R. L. wrote:

[Snippity Snip Snip]

Guys, let it go now. I think it's all going to work itself out now.


-Garrett

 

[R. L.]

R. L. wrote:

[Snippity Snip Snip]

Guys, let it go now. I think it's all going to work itself
out now.


-Garrett

Sure Hey, btw, I overheard that you were making a
browser for the AFC folks long time ago. What was that all
about (just can't help sticking my nose into any fun stuff
going on)?? Was it (or is it still going on?) a very
different/special browser? Any beta(s)?



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[burnr]

I emailed the following "off line" thinking that may be more appropriate,
but was *gently* reminded that it is after all a group effort and that it
should be posted here. The email was sent to those who expressed interest
in helping fund a new domain.
<q>
I'm not trying to keep anything from the forum, but so many posts lately
are wearing people down. Here is a host package that looks affordable and
offers the
basics;

http://hostitnow.com/budget.php
200 MB of Storage
15 GB of File Transfer
$35.88 Per Year

Susan, have you heard back from Guyon? His offer sounds generous but I'm
concerned about the reliability, (the name alone scares me lol)
www.looze.net, but that's an issue with most anyway. No way to know until
you use one for awhile. Anybody else find anything better?

btw, if you'd rather I didn't contact any of you by email like this, let
me know and I'll remove you from the dist. list.

I am willing to sign for the domain name/hosting, and I'm equally willing
to mail a donation to anyone else who would like to.

I recommend a post be submitted to acf announcing a domain name has won
the vote pricelessware-acf.org ? or whichever one it is that got the
most, and ask for last minute votes which are to close say Sunday maybe?

I think we should go ahead and purchase a package and get Susan back to
work. She's been lazing around the house long enough now. ) What do you
all think?
</q>

 

[=?iso-8859-1?Q?Omar=A9?=]

I emailed the following "off line" thinking that may be more appropriate,
but was *gently* reminded that it is after all a group effort and that it
should be posted here. The email was sent to those who expressed interest
in helping fund a new domain.
<q>
I'm not trying to keep anything from the forum, but so many posts lately
are wearing people down. Here is a host package that looks affordable and
offers the
basics;

http://hostitnow.com/budget.php
200 MB of Storage
15 GB of File Transfer
$35.88 Per Year

Susan, have you heard back from Guyon? His offer sounds generous but I'm
concerned about the reliability, (the name alone scares me lol)
www.looze.net, but that's an issue with most anyway. No way to know until
you use one for awhile. Anybody else find anything better?

btw, if you'd rather I didn't contact any of you by email like this, let
me know and I'll remove you from the dist. list.

I am willing to sign for the domain name/hosting, and I'm equally willing
to mail a donation to anyone else who would like to.

I recommend a post be submitted to acf announcing a domain name has won
the vote pricelessware-acf.org ? or whichever one it is that got the
most, and ask for last minute votes which are to close say Sunday maybe?

I think we should go ahead and purchase a package and get Susan back to
work. She's been lazing around the house long enough now. ) What do you
all think?
</q>

Burnr you can e-nail me, no problems
Omar

 

[burnr]

Burnr you can e-nail me, no problems

Thanks

 

[Nicolaas Hawkins]

Thanks

Just make sure the e-nails are sharp.
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Regards,
Nicolaas.

Distribution site for 2004 Pricelessware CD.
E-Mail me for details. (e-mail address removed)



- Usually insane; in more lucid moments, merely stupid.

 

[Susan Bugher]

Just make sure the e-nails are sharp.

You made your point.

Susan

 

[Susan Bugher]

Susan, have you heard back from Guyon? His offer sounds generous but I'm
concerned about the reliability, (the name alone scares me lol)
www.looze.net, but that's an issue with most anyway. No way to know until
you use one for awhile. Anybody else find anything better?

I haven't heard anything yet from Guyon.

I think we should go ahead and purchase a package and get Susan back to
work. She's been lazing around the house long enough now. ) What do you
all think?

I think you are a bunch of slave drivers. . .

and I hope you find a new site soon.

Susan

 

[Garrett]

R. L. wrote:

[snip]

Sure Hey, btw, I overheard that you were making a
browser for the AFC folks long time ago. What was that all
about (just can't help sticking my nose into any fun stuff
going on)?? Was it (or is it still going on?) a very
different/special browser? Any beta(s)?

Once upon a time, the viewers of ACF voiced their opinion of distaste
for the bloated and buggy browser selections available at the time. We
packed our picnic baskets and set out on a venture to find a freeware
browser that was small, secure and easy to use...... Many got lost and
were never found again.

Ah forget that! I suck at stories.

Basically, we all hated the browser wars and wanted something a little
more to our liking. I thought I'd try my hand at making a browser at
the time and asked for suggestions on what we should add or not add to
our browser.

I found basically everything we needed to accomplish this, but there
were a few drawbacks. I needed a specially made dll that would work
with the programming language I use.... I found a a programmer who made
dlls for the language I use, but his attempt failed. Found another
programmer who made dlls for the language I used, but he too failed....
The author of the programming language I use said he'd try, but to this
day, he's never spoke of it again.

As back then, right now I could build the entire shell for this, all it
would need is a browser engine to plug into it. The API ability of the
programming language I use is a bit limited still, so the dll needs to
be made specifically for this language, and that's were it gets killed.

Hey, within a few days, I could pump out a browser using the MSIE
browser engine, but that defeats the purpose of what I was trying to
do. I could also put one out thats too limited in features, but does
not require MSIE. But that's shooting below what I wanted this to be.

So it's still idle until I can find someone to take the component and
build it into a suitable dll for the programming language I use.
Someone over in ACFD has offered to at least look into this for me. So
there may be some hope for this still.... Crossing my fingers.

If you're still interested in this...... Here's a few links to the old
posts:

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=8E979F7BAdeke
junocom%4024.0.238.166&rnum=4&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-
8%26q%3DHylltun%2BFreeware%2BBrowser%26btnG%3DSearch

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=8F6885DB5deke
junocom%4024.0.238.166&rnum=5&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-
8%26q%3DHylltun%2BFreeware%2BBrowser%26btnG%3DSearch

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&threadm=8F68C2C23deke
junocom%4024.0.238.166&rnum=3&prev=/groups%3Fhl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-
8%26q%3DHylltun%2BFreeware%2BBrowser%26btnG%3DSearch

Best regards,
-Garrett

 

[R. L.]

R. L. wrote:

[snip]

Sure Hey, btw, I overheard that you were making a
browser for the AFC folks long time ago. What was that
all about (just can't help sticking my nose into any fun
stuff going on)?? Was it (or is it still going on?) a
very different/special browser? Any beta(s)?

Once upon a time, the viewers of ACF voiced their opinion
of distaste for the bloated and buggy browser selections
available at the time. We packed our picnic baskets and
set out on a venture to find a freeware browser that was
small, secure and easy to use...... Many got lost and were
never found again.

Ah forget that! I suck at stories.

Basically, we all hated the browser wars and wanted
something a little more to our liking. I thought I'd try
my hand at making a browser at the time and asked for
suggestions on what we should add or not add to our
browser.

[snipped]... right now I could build the entire shell for
this, all it would need is a browser engine to plug into
it. The API ability of the programming language I use is a
bit limited still, so the dll needs to be made specifically
for this language, and that's were it gets killed.

I see.

Hey, within a few days, I could pump out a browser using
the MSIE browser engine, but that defeats the purpose of
what I was trying to do.

Yes, true. There are indeed many shells out there already
(MyIE, GreenBrowser, Avant).

I could also put one out thats
too limited in features, but does not require MSIE. But
that's shooting below what I wanted this to be.

True, the only one I know of, but very cripple, is off-by-one;
even firefox is quite bulky - more than 4 mb (never use it
yet, but going to try) .

So it's still idle until I can find someone to take the
component and build it into a suitable dll for the
programming language I use. Someone over in ACFD has
offered to at least look into this for me.

Oh, I read that thread, too

So there may be
some hope for this still.... Crossing my fingers.


If you're still interested in this...... Here's a few
links to the old posts:

[snipped]

You have a very good story already -

We packed our picnic baskets and
set out on a venture to find a freeware browser that was
small, secure and easy to use...... Many got lost and were
never found again.

so ... you the wizard were sent out to use your spells and
magic to make a dream browser for the ACFers and to
rescuse those who were lost in the venture :-D (and you have
all the portions and spells but still need some spiders, ants
or lizards....)


:-D a bedtime story




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*******************************************
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[Nicolaas Hawkins]

You made your point.

<e.g.>
--

Regards,
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Distribution site for 2004 Pricelessware CD.
E-Mail me for details. (e-mail address removed)



- Surly to bed, and surly to rise.

 

[REM]

I haven't heard anything yet from Guyon.

I think you are a bunch of slave drivers. . .

How true!

I understand that you have family coming to visit. Ok, go ahead and
take a few days off while we locate a new salt mine. Just don't get
too comfy!

and I hope you find a new site soon.

Semolina: How is the domain vote coming now?

 

[REM]

burnr <[email protected]> wrote in

I emailed the following "off line" thinking that may be more appropriate,
but was *gently* reminded that it is after all a group effort and that it
should be posted here. The email was sent to those who expressed interest
in helping fund a new domain.

I'm not trying to keep anything from the forum, but so many posts lately
are wearing people down. Here is a host package that looks affordable and
offers the basics;

http://hostitnow.com/budget.php
200 MB of Storage
15 GB of File Transfer
$35.88 Per Year

This one is by far the cheapest I've seen. It has php scripting, which
is the only feature I can think of that we 'll need.

I think this is plenty sufficient for the web pages.

If we elect to also host files we can possibly use personal web space
to store them on.

Again, the CD image might best be served by volunteer burners and a
P2P program.

I am willing to sign for the domain name/hosting, and I'm equally willing
to mail a donation to anyone else who would like to.

Same here. It was suggested (I think) that one person get the site and
another the domain. I'll get the site if you'll get the domain and no
one has any objections.

It might be best to get the domain from a place that specializes in
domain names. My first domain was held hostage by the hosting company
after it broke the pricing contract and I refused to renew. I got both
domain and hosting together at that untrustworthy site.

I recommend a post be submitted to acf announcing a domain name has won
the vote pricelessware-acf.org ? or whichever one it is that got the
most, and ask for last minute votes which are to close say Sunday maybe?

Seconded. Let's allow last minute voting and move to get the site up
and running.