off-load your printing needs

[Bob]

I crop my images and burn them to CD. I drop it off at the nearest CVS
using a Noritsu printer and I get them back within an hour. 19 cents a
piece. Why in god's name are you guys still futzing around with inkjet and
bubble jet and all their woes? Do you honestly think you can tinker your
way to better pictures or you just being stubborn?

I'm all for no longer using home printing of photos because of cost and
frustrating experiences with clogged ink jets and wasted paper. See my
earlier post:

I had an Epson 1280EPX that I used exclusively for photo quality
printing.

 

[Clint Young]

It depends on the user. If someone uses OEM ink then the costs of
printing at home are higher. For me I use compatible ink and pay good
prices for photo paper. My costs are very competitive to CVS, Walmart
etc. Also, I don't print every photo I take. In fact, I don't print
the overwhelming majority of the photos I take. Why run to CVS to pick
up 2-3 prints? With gas prices being high and the gas mileage of my SUV
being low, that might make prints from from CVS, Walmart etc. MORE
expensive than printing at home. Plus, I have not had any fading issues
with home made prints.

I got a little chuckle from Marky-Mark and his effort at trolling. I
guess he got a nibble from me so he can consider his mission accomplished.

Certainly for the 2-3 prints I subscribe to your train of thought.
However, with the recent addition of a new member to my family, needless
to say, we have been taking a lot of pics. From these pictures many
relatives, etc. have been asking for prints. I have found it very
convenient to upload 50 pictures to the Walmart website and pick up 150
prints at my leisure. But certainly, for 2-3 prints, why not print them
out at home? Well said.

 

[Michael Johnson, PE]

Certainly for the 2-3 prints I subscribe to your train of thought.
However, with the recent addition of a new member to my family, needless
to say, we have been taking a lot of pics. From these pictures many
relatives, etc. have been asking for prints. I have found it very
convenient to upload 50 pictures to the Walmart website and pick up 150
prints at my leisure. But certainly, for 2-3 prints, why not print them
out at home? Well said.

It is very economical for me to print at home. Probably less than the
19 cents that CVS charges. If I had 150 photos to print I would send
them to CVS, Walmart etc. not for cost savings but because I wouldn't
want to baby sit the printer while it spit out that many photos. BTW,
congratulations on that new family member.

 

[Arthur Entlich]

This topic, although a fair one to look at now and again, doesn't have
to be a digital reply, by which I mean it isn't necessarily a yes or no
situation.

I use color and B&W laser, photocopies, inkjet, silver halide color
prints. Some I do 'in home' and some is done by out services.

Things that influence the decision are cost, time elements, type of
quality required, size of the print required, number needed, etc.

Also, some people just enjoy producing their own prints, just like some
people like to tie their own fishing flies. It isn't always about the
cost or quality.

What I don't understand is why one person would care what decision
someone else makes. We each have personal reasons and conditions which
may or may not make the decision a good one for ourselves, so what is
the point of people arguing about it?

It really comes down to personal preferences at this point, since
pricing is very similar for many options now. Be happy that there are
choices.

Perhaps some of this competition will force the prices on ink to be
lowered to be more competitive with the labs.

Art

 

[mark_digital©]

I'm all for no longer using home printing of photos because of cost and
frustrating experiences with clogged ink jets and wasted paper. See my
earlier post:

19 cent prints put the "fun" back into photo hobby.

 

[mark_digital©]

What I don't understand is why one person would care what decision someone
else makes. We each have personal reasons and conditions which may or may
not make the decision a good one for ourselves, so what is the point of
people arguing about it?

You're selling yourself short. Of course you know why people like to know
what is behind other's decisions. This isn't your exclusive territory. If I
want to know what makes others tick I don't need your permission to ask. Got
it?

 

[Burt]

You're selling yourself short. Of course you know why people like to know
what is behind other's decisions. This isn't your exclusive territory. If
I want to know what makes others tick I don't need your permission to ask.
Got it?

You happen to be flaming one of the most helpful individuals on this
newsgroup. This NG is generally a pretty civilized place. While you raise
a good point there is no need to be combative. "Got it?"

 

[Burt]

(snip)

is very economical for me to print at home. Probably less than the

19 cents that CVS charges. If I had 150 photos to print I would send them
to CVS, Walmart etc. not for cost savings but because I wouldn't want to
baby sit the printer while it spit out that many photos. BTW,
congratulations on that new family member.

Michael - I use costco's glossy photo paper and MIS inks in my Canon
printers. Paper cost is less than five cents and the ink, at one dollar per
cart refill is a few pennies at most for a 4x6 print. Total - about seven
cents? The prints look every bit as good as those I've compared
side-by-side with Canon OEM ink and Canon's best glossy paper.

The creative side is fun for me and I can give my family pictures of an
event the same day if I wish. I enjoy the process - The darkroom I used for
many years is just gathering dust at this point as the entire digital
process is so much easier and faster. If someone wants to use CVS,
Walgreens, Costco, or online printing services I have no problem with that
either. Nothing, however, to argue about. BTW, I don't think Mr. Flamer
got your jab about "denial!"

 

[Michael Johnson, PE]

(snip)

is very economical for me to print at home. Probably less than the

Michael - I use costco's glossy photo paper and MIS inks in my Canon
printers. Paper cost is less than five cents and the ink, at one dollar per
cart refill is a few pennies at most for a 4x6 print. Total - about seven
cents? The prints look every bit as good as those I've compared
side-by-side with Canon OEM ink and Canon's best glossy paper.

The creative side is fun for me and I can give my family pictures of an
event the same day if I wish. I enjoy the process - The darkroom I used for
many years is just gathering dust at this point as the entire digital
process is so much easier and faster. If someone wants to use CVS,
Walgreens, Costco, or online printing services I have no problem with that
either. Nothing, however, to argue about. BTW, I don't think Mr. Flamer
got your jab about "denial!"

As long as someone got it the effort wasn't a waste.

 

[mark_digital©]

You happen to be flaming one of the most helpful individuals on this
newsgroup. This NG is generally a pretty civilized place. While you
raise a good point there is no need to be combative. "Got it?"

Your pal started it. Click refresh or something so you can see the whole
thread. You'll also see the intent of my message doesn't even come close to
his particular situation. He may be helpful at times but he's gotta curb his
psuedo policeman tactics. Same goes for you too. Anymore outbursts from you
guys and I'm simply going to ignore it. You like to taunt and then cry foul.
****in grow up.

 

[Burt]

Your pal started it. Click refresh or something so you can see the whole
thread. You'll also see the intent of my message doesn't even come close
to his particular situation. He may be helpful at times but he's gotta
curb his psuedo policeman tactics. Same goes for you too. Anymore
outbursts from you guys and I'm simply going to ignore it. You like to
taunt and then cry foul. ****in grow up.

Classic schoolyard bully response! (screaming) he started it!!!. No
policemen here - but we don't need flamers either!

 

[mark_digital©]

Why are you asking me this question when you seem quite adept at doing
this yourself?

What does "PE" stand for?

 

[Michael Johnson]

What does "PE" stand for?

Printing Expert

 

[Arthur Entlich]

You have the right to do anything you like (within the legal and ethical
constraints of whatever society you are considered a member of) and I
have the same right to express that I may not appreciate it. There are
plenty of ways of saying the same thing, such as, I could indicate what
I really think of you, or I could just say you are overly aggressive and
abrasive and unnecessarily dogmatic in your opinion about something
that is ultimately a personal decision which people will make, not as a
result of your bullying, but due to their own needs and wants.

;-)

Get it?

Art

 

[mark_digital©]

You have the right to do anything you like (within the legal and ethical
constraints of whatever society you are considered a member of) and I have
the same right to express that I may not appreciate it. There are plenty
of ways of saying the same thing, such as, I could indicate what I really
think of you, or I could just say you are overly aggressive and abrasive
and unnecessarily dogmatic in your opinion about something that is
ultimately a personal decision which people will make, not as a result of
your bullying, but due to their own needs and wants.

;-)

Get it?

Art

Thanks for the lecture. OK to wish you a happy holiday?

 

[Elmo P. Shagnasty]

What I don't understand is why one person would care what decision
someone else makes.

When you observe someone making very stupid decisions, don't you comment
on that--at least to yourself?

Yeah, I care what decision someone else makes--especially when it
affects me. Smoke in a restaurant? Damn right I care about that
decision.

But in general, if one wants to be stupid, that's fine. On the other
hand, if it's MY decision to comment on your being stupid, why would you
care what decision I make?

 

[Arthur Entlich]

You've taken the one sentence your quoted completely out of the context
it was written within. Inside of it's context, (that being if a person
would choose to print snapshot sized images on their personal home
inkjet printer or have the printing done via a lab using silver halide
wet darkroom methods) the arguments work to either side, very much
dependent upon a number of personal preferences and wishes and desires.

This decision has absolutely no impact upon anyone outside of the
decision. If you were to look back into archives in this very newsgroup
you'd find I have advocated for both sides, dependent upon the
circumstances. I attempt to respond based upon the person's who is
querying.

For instance, someone who dislikes buying more equipment, doesn't have
the room, isn't going to print any larger than snap prints, prefers
having the work handled by others, isn't interested or doesn't enjoy the
process as involved or the learning curve, I would tend to suggest they
should at least wish to consider the option of having the printing done
for them. On the other hand, a person who wants to have a very hands on
experience, wishes to not have to deal with an outside factor, the
possible hassle to either have to upload the images or explain what
translation of the image they wish to the lab clerk, is anxious to see
the results, may wish to print their own smaller prints.

Since cost factors are so close, that hardly should be the determining
factor.

This issue is hardly one of smoking versus non-smoking in a restaurant
and how each may influence or involve other people. That is not only a
health issue, but it effects the overall dining experience of the
non-smoker. This matter is more like dogmatically calling someone at the
table next over a jerk because they ordered the chocolate ice cream for
dessert when they had the choice of cheese cake. In that case, it would
just be rude and inappropriate to intervene.

Art

 

[mark_digital©]

You've taken the one sentence your quoted completely out of the context it
was written within. Inside of it's context, (that being if a person would
choose to print snapshot sized images on their personal home inkjet
printer or have the printing done via a lab using silver halide wet
darkroom methods) the arguments work to either side, very much dependent
upon a number of personal preferences and wishes and desires.

This decision has absolutely no impact upon anyone outside of the
decision. If you were to look back into archives in this very newsgroup
you'd find I have advocated for both sides, dependent upon the
circumstances. I attempt to respond based upon the person's who is
querying.

For instance, someone who dislikes buying more equipment, doesn't have the
room, isn't going to print any larger than snap prints, prefers having the
work handled by others, isn't interested or doesn't enjoy the process as
involved or the learning curve, I would tend to suggest they should at
least wish to consider the option of having the printing done for them.
On the other hand, a person who wants to have a very hands on experience,
wishes to not have to deal with an outside factor, the possible hassle to
either have to upload the images or explain what translation of the image
they wish to the lab clerk, is anxious to see the results, may wish to
print their own smaller prints.

Since cost factors are so close, that hardly should be the determining
factor.

This issue is hardly one of smoking versus non-smoking in a restaurant and
how each may influence or involve other people. That is not only a health
issue, but it effects the overall dining experience of the non-smoker.
This matter is more like dogmatically calling someone at the table next
over a jerk because they ordered the chocolate ice cream for dessert when
they had the choice of cheese cake. In that case, it would just be rude
and inappropriate to intervene.

Art

Try telling that to the 100's of cruise ship passengers that have gotten
sick lately on bad food. If someone tells me to stay away from the salad
bar, I'm not going to be stubborn about it and go ahead anyway.

 

[The Natural Philosopher]

For instance, someone who dislikes buying more equipment, doesn't have
the room, isn't going to print any larger than snap prints, prefers
having the work handled by others, isn't interested or doesn't enjoy the
process as involved or the learning curve,

Isn't likely to be browsing comp.periphs.printers..

so be a good boy and naff off eh?

 

[Elmo P. Shagnasty]

This decision has absolutely no impact upon anyone outside of the
decision.

Other than it's aggravating to watch people be blatantly stupid.