Ode to Kurttrail...

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Leythos said:
Wrong, we've caught/killed MANY terrorists that were involved in 9/11,

Name one. You can't. Or are you referring to the hundreds of thousands
of innocent civilians Bush and Co. have murdered in Iraq?
but you think to small - you've only caught the immediate ones involved
in the 3/11 attacks in Spain. Stop thinking so small.

Um, Spain has caught countless more terrorists than the USA but Spain
doesn't have the barbaric death penalty so we haven't killed them.
The rest of your post was bs or unproven, so there is nothing to reply
too [sic].

Translation: you know you're wrong and are trying to sluff it off with
an ad hominem.

Alias
 
aka@ said:
Name one. You can't. Or are you referring to the hundreds of thousands
of innocent civilians Bush and Co. have murdered in Iraq?

Start here - whey they don't say what teams captured them or what
multinational teams, you might be able to read between the lines:

http://memritv.org/Search.asp?ACT=S5&P1=65&P3=1

and more that indicates we've captured Terrorists:

http://www.nationalterroralert.com/updates/index.php?p=45

http://www.nicedoggie.net/2006/?p=428

http://www.rewardsforjustice.net/english/wanted_captured/index.cfm?
page=Captured

http://www.slobodan-milosevic.org/news/srna121404.htm

Just google for "captured terrorists" if you need more info.

Um, Spain has caught countless more terrorists than the USA but Spain
doesn't have the barbaric death penalty so we haven't killed them.

Killing people that kill innocents is not "barbaric", it's justice.
The rest of your post was bs or unproven, so there is nothing to reply
too [sic].

Translation: you know you're wrong and are trying to sluff it off with
an ad hominem.

Take it how you want, but you didn't offer any reputable information on
your claims, so I didn't see the need to be drug off in to crap.
 
Leythos said:
Start here - whey they don't say what teams captured them or what
multinational teams, you might be able to read between the lines:

http://memritv.org/Search.asp?ACT=S5&P1=65&P3=1

and more that indicates we've captured Terrorists:

http://www.nationalterroralert.com/updates/index.php?p=45

http://www.nicedoggie.net/2006/?p=428

http://www.rewardsforjustice.net/english/wanted_captured/index.cfm?
page=Captured

http://www.slobodan-milosevic.org/news/srna121404.htm

Just google for "captured terrorists" if you need more info.

I said 9/11, not all the people the USA has locked up without legal
recourse who will, eventually, be put through a military monkey trial.
So far, ONE person has been locked up and tried who was involved with 9/11.
Killing people that kill innocents is not "barbaric", it's justice.

No, it's barbaric. Killing is wrong no matter what.
The rest of your post was bs or unproven, so there is nothing to reply
too [sic].
Translation: you know you're wrong and are trying to sluff it off with
an ad hominem.

Take it how you want, but you didn't offer any reputable information on
your claims, so I didn't see the need to be drug off in to crap.

Translation: Leythos further uses ad hominems because he can't address
the issues posed. Very amateurish, Leythos.

As far as "reputable information", are you now denying that the price of
oil has skyrocketed? Are you denying that Bush saved Hugo Chavez'
presidency by going to an illegal war in Iraq and thus pushing the price
of oil up? Are you denying that Bush has phones and emails tapped
without a warrant? Are you denying that Bush has people locked up
without legal recourse? What *are* you denying that I posted?

Alias
 
aka@ said:
I said 9/11, not all the people the USA has locked up without legal
recourse who will, eventually, be put through a military monkey trial.
So far, ONE person has been locked up and tried who was involved with 9/11.


No, it's barbaric. Killing is wrong no matter what.

So, what do you do with a person that has killed many others for simply
being of a particular color, race, religion, that would do it again if
you let them? Oh, yea, lock them up so that they can convert others to
their way of thinking, so that they can get released in 10 years, so
that they can kill others in the Prison..... Come on, what's your
solution?
The rest of your post was bs or unproven, so there is nothing to reply
too [sic].
Translation: you know you're wrong and are trying to sluff it off with
an ad hominem.

Take it how you want, but you didn't offer any reputable information on
your claims, so I didn't see the need to be drug off in to crap.

Translation: Leythos further uses ad hominems because he can't address
the issues posed. Very amateurish, Leythos.

As far as "reputable information", are you now denying that the price of
oil has skyrocketed?

Nope, many things have cause the price of Oil to change, and little of
it has anything to do with the War on Terror. Don't be fooled by greed.
Are you denying that Bush saved Hugo Chavez'
presidency by going to an illegal war in Iraq and thus pushing the price
of oil up?
Yes.

Are you denying that Bush has phones and emails tapped
without a warrant?

No, it's perfectly legal and approved many years before Bush was in
office, in fact, it was used by Clinton before Bush. Since the congress
approved it, you should blame the people that put it in place.
Are you denying that Bush has people locked up
without legal recourse? What *are* you denying that I posted?

No, there are many Enemy/Terrorists locked/held properly, according to
the rules/laws.

Are you going to continue to be a sheep and support terrorists actions?
 
Leythos said:
So, what do you do with a person that has killed many others for simply
being of a particular color, race, religion, that would do it again if
you let them? Oh, yea, lock them up so that they can convert others to
their way of thinking, so that they can get released in 10 years, so
that they can kill others in the Prison..... Come on, what's your
solution?

I didn't say I have the solution but killing is wrong no matter what.
The rest of your post was bs or unproven, so there is nothing to reply
too [sic].
Translation: you know you're wrong and are trying to sluff it off with
an ad hominem.
Take it how you want, but you didn't offer any reputable information on
your claims, so I didn't see the need to be drug off in to crap.
Translation: Leythos further uses ad hominems because he can't address
the issues posed. Very amateurish, Leythos.

As far as "reputable information", are you now denying that the price of
oil has skyrocketed?

Nope, many things have cause the price of Oil to change, and little of
it has anything to do with the War on Terror. Don't be fooled by greed.

Puhlease. Iraq can no longer produce oil thanks to the cowboy.
Immediately after the illegal war started, oil went up. You don't need
to be an MVP to connect the dots.

LOL! You *are* ignorant.
No, it's perfectly legal and approved many years before Bush was in
office, in fact, it was used by Clinton before Bush. Since the congress
approved it, you should blame the people that put it in place.

Actually, congress approved tapping phones with a warrant and even set
up a court to approve them. Bush decided he didn't need no stinking
warrants. Do you even read or watch the news?
No, there are many Enemy/Terrorists locked/held properly, according to
the rules/laws.

Wrong. They are being held illegally and if YOU were thrown in a prison
in Cuba with no legal recourse, you would *not* be a happy camper.
Are you going to continue to be a sheep and support terrorists actions?

I already told you I don't support Bush the Terrorist. Got a reading
comprehension problem?

Alias
 
Leythos wrote:


So, what do you do with a person that has killed many others for
simply being of a particular color, race, religion, that would do it
again if you let them? Oh, yea, lock them up so that they can convert
others to their way of thinking, so that they can get released in 10
years, so that they can kill others in the Prison..... Come on,
what's your solution?

Make them converse with you.

Naw. That would truly be cruel and unusual.

No, it's perfectly legal and approved many years before Bush was in
office, in fact, it was used by Clinton before Bush. Since the
congress approved it, you should blame the people that put it in
place.

LOL! You are totally dense. Did Clinton do it without getting a
warrant? Bush didn't get warrants, as the law says he must. Only in
emergencies can he do it without a warrart for 72 hours. And Bush just
ignored that law. King George needn't follow the law. King George,
like you, is totally out of his bleeding mind!
No, there are many Enemy/Terrorists locked/held properly, according to
the rules/laws.

Name the rules/law.
Are you going to continue to be a sheep and support terrorists
actions?

I didn't vote for the Republican scum that thinks just like the
terrorists that violence is the solution to their problems.

--
Peace!
Kurt Kirsch
Self-anointed Moderator
http://microscum.com
"It'll soon shake your Windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'."
 
aka@ said:
I didn't say I have the solution but killing is wrong no matter what.

Killing comes in many forms, some are justified, others are not. If you
kill a wounded animal that can not be helped, is it still a bad thing or
mercy? If you kill a Terrorist that has killed hundreds, like the
animal, that can't be helped (and you don't really believe Prison is
going to reform them do you), then it's almost Merciful to kill them. At
the very least they should be locked in a 1 meter square box, set out in
the open air and left there until their term is over.
The rest of your post was bs or unproven, so there is nothing to reply
too [sic].
Translation: you know you're wrong and are trying to sluff it off with
an ad hominem.
Take it how you want, but you didn't offer any reputable information on
your claims, so I didn't see the need to be drug off in to crap.
Translation: Leythos further uses ad hominems because he can't address
the issues posed. Very amateurish, Leythos.

As far as "reputable information", are you now denying that the price of
oil has skyrocketed?

Nope, many things have cause the price of Oil to change, and little of
it has anything to do with the War on Terror. Don't be fooled by greed.

Puhlease. Iraq can no longer produce oil thanks to the cowboy.
Immediately after the illegal war started, oil went up. You don't need
to be an MVP to connect the dots.

That's what I thought - you've been taken in my the media hype without
understanding business. BUSINESS CONTROLS THE COST, not President Bush.
LOL! You *are* ignorant.

And I consider people like you, those that can't see the facts, to be
the same.
Actually, congress approved tapping phones with a warrant and even set
up a court to approve them. Bush decided he didn't need no stinking
warrants. Do you even read or watch the news?

Yes I listen to the Hype, but have you read the actual law? The
President does not need to get a warrant, it's in the law - you can read
it yourself if you take the time, just search for it, it's on the web.
Wrong. They are being held illegally and if YOU were thrown in a prison
in Cuba with no legal recourse, you would *not* be a happy camper.

Please site the law that's being broken.
I already told you I don't support Bush the Terrorist. Got a reading
comprehension problem?

Seems that you support The Enemy Terrorists and give comfort to them and
when they come after your people you run and hide and pay them off,
until the time whey they want more than you have - and it will come.
 
Leythos wrote:




Make them converse with you.

Naw. That would truly be cruel and unusual.

It won't happen, it was tried, and like the rabid animal, they don't
want to change - unless everyone of us becomes just like them.
LOL! You are totally dense. Did Clinton do it without getting a
warrant? Bush didn't get warrants, as the law says he must. Only in
emergencies can he do it without a warrart for 72 hours. And Bush just
ignored that law. King George needn't follow the law. King George,
like you, is totally out of his bleeding mind!

Please show where a foreign conversation was tapped without a warrant -
provide some link to a reputable, factual, document of it.
Name the rules/law.

That's just the point I was making, there are no laws covering it, so,
it's not against the law - at least nothing I can find makes it against
the law. Thanks for proving the point.
I didn't vote for the Republican scum that thinks just like the
terrorists that violence is the solution to their problems.

It doesn't matter who is in office, the attacks on US Soil would have
happened, as they did in Clinton's terms, and no amount of talking, as
we've done that for years, would have changed it. I feel sorry for
people that don't have the stomach to protect their own when things get
hard, but they have enough anti-American balls to complain about it
without providing any out way to resolve it that would work.
 
Leythos said:
It won't happen, it was tried, and like the rabid animal, they don't
want to change - unless everyone of us becomes just like them.

You are dense. And trying to have an intelligent conversation with you
is impossible, as you are totally deluded.
Please show where a foreign conversation was tapped without a warrant
- provide some link to a reputable, factual, document of it.

The White House admitted it. Or do you just believe everything coming
out of the White House is a lie?

That's just the point I was making, there are no laws covering it, so,
it's not against the law - at least nothing I can find makes it
against the law. Thanks for proving the point.

ROFL! You have an idiotic point on top of your head. These
"Enemy/Terrorists" can not be "locked/held properly, according to the
rules/laws," if there are no "rules/laws," you bleeding idiot!
It doesn't matter who is in office, the attacks on US Soil would have
happened, as they did in Clinton's terms, and no amount of talking, as
we've done that for years, would have changed it.

Irrelevent. You are changing the subject. Your political/religious
masters are of the same mindset as your enemy. Violence is the
solution, not the problem.
I feel sorry for
people that don't have the stomach to protect their own when things
get hard, but they have enough anti-American balls to complain about
it without providing any out way to resolve it that would work.

There are ways to protect you and yours without having to commit
violence to do it. Ghandi and MLK Jr. proved that. Only the
unenlightened animals among us believe that violence is the solution,
not the problem.

The violence-mongers are the true enemy of peace and liberty, no mater
what god they pray to!

--
Peace!
Kurt Kirsch
Self-anointed Moderator
http://microscum.com
"It'll soon shake your Windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'."
 
There are ways to protect you and yours without having to commit
violence to do it. Ghandi and MLK Jr. proved that. Only the
unenlightened animals among us believe that violence is the solution,
not the problem.

The violence-mongers are the true enemy of peace and liberty, no mater
what god they pray to!

I wish it was true Kurt, I really wish that violence was never a means
to solve a problem, violence at any level, but, in todays times it just
doesn't happen. For violence to stop, and reasoning to work, BOTH sides
have to believe their is some other solution to the issue. In the case
of the Holy Terrorists, their belief is that all non-believers must be
put to death and that it's the word of their god/profit that tells them
to do it. You can not reason with someone that has no desire to be
reasoned with, someone that considers you to be lesser any other living
creature on the planet.

I would love to see all peoples be able to sit at a table/desk/meal and
reason their problems away, each site giving and taking as needed until
all come to a reasonable agreement for everyone, but, I don't believe it
will happen in my lifetime, don't believe it's possible that these
Terrorists will change their minds about their religious beliefs, don't
believe this is much more than a .0001% chance that it could be resolved
without taking violence to them.

Here is something you might want to know about Ghandi:

Gandhi?s nonviolent action designed to avoid violence? Yes and no.
Gandhi steadfastly avoided violence toward his opponents. He did not
avoid violence toward himself or his followers.

Gandhi said that the nonviolent activist, like any soldier, had to be
ready to die for the cause. And in fact, during India?s struggle for
independence, hundreds of Indians were killed by the British.

The difference was that the nonviolent activist, while willing to die,
was never willing to kill.

Gandhi pointed out three possible responses to oppression and injustice.

One he described as the coward?s way: to accept the wrong or run away
from it.

The second option was to stand and fight by force of arms. Gandhi said
this was better than acceptance or running away.

But the third way, he said, was best of all and required the most
courage: to stand and fight solely by nonviolent means.

While Ghandi didn't approve of violence towards OTHERS, it was accepted
as a means, although not the first choice.

Ghandi also didn't approve of paying off the enemy (running away).
 
Leythos said:
It won't happen, it was tried, and like the rabid animal, they
don't
want to change - unless everyone of us becomes just like them.


Please show where a foreign conversation was tapped without a
warrant -
provide some link to a reputable, factual, document of it.


That's just the point I was making, there are no laws covering it,
so,
it's not against the law - at least nothing I can find makes it
against
the law. Thanks for proving the point.


It doesn't matter who is in office, the attacks on US Soil would
have
happened, as they did in Clinton's terms, and no amount of
talking, as
we've done that for years, would have changed it. I feel sorry for
people that don't have the stomach to protect their own when
things get
hard, but they have enough anti-American balls to complain about
it
without providing any out way to resolve it that would work.

A way that would work would be to vote this _whole
administration_(democrat or republican)
out of office. A look at history shows that our commander in chief
in 1940 marched through
Africa and Europe in less time than has been spent on the sandbox
called Afghanistan and Iraq.
Wake up.
 
Leythos said:
maskedandanonymous.org says...

No, your statistics are based on flawed polls - as you should be smart
enough to understand, anyone can take a poll and make the results match
what they want it to show.

Just like our president was voted into office with a flawed and corrupt
voting system?
I can understand your position, as you don't live in the USA or a
progressive country, but I don't agree with it. America wasn't the ones
that bought off the terrorists proving that all they have to do is
threaten them in order to get money or other resources from the
threatened country - and that may work until places like the US is no
longer a target worth their effort expended.

Agreed, I think he has earned himself at least that much.
 
Leythos said:
maskedandanonymous.org says...

Killing comes in many forms, some are justified, others are not. If you
kill a wounded animal that can not be helped, is it still a bad thing or
mercy? If you kill a Terrorist that has killed hundreds, like the
animal, that can't be helped (and you don't really believe Prison is
going to reform them do you), then it's almost Merciful to kill them. At
the very least they should be locked in a 1 meter square box, set out in
the open air and left there until their term is over.

Leythos deems himself fit to play god. Talk about delusional!
Yes I listen to the Hype, but have you read the actual law? The
President does not need to get a warrant, it's in the law - you can read
it yourself if you take the time, just search for it, it's on the web.

Oh yeah, it is allowed in the law for emergencies. So I guess Bush has
just had a buttload of emergencies lately, eh?
Please site the law that's being broken.

It's just plain wrong. I can't believe you are so delusional you can't
see that!
 
Alias said:
It's amazing, isn't it?

Totally. I think he is an abortion that didn't take. He had all but
the reptilian portion of his brain d&c'ed.

--
Peace!
Kurt Kirsch
Self-anointed Moderator
http://microscum.com
"It'll soon shake your Windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'."
 
In
Leythos said:
You can't wait to see if there is truth, you have to be suckered into
playing the media's dupe - and that gives comfort to the enemy during
this time where are troops are on the ground fighting.

Only a fool falls for the media hype and makes such statements, giving
comfort and fodder to our enemies before such claims by the media are
proven. Keep supporting those that are anti-American, you dishonor
yourself by falling for their hype.

I haven't been sucked into anything and have never supported anti-Americans,
I knew the Bush agenda was based on lies and deceit from the get go and
opposed it as flawed, inept and possibly corrupt thinking. I have just been
waiting for the evidence to start filtering down, and I am sure more will
now start coming now that the thumb has been removed from the hole in the
dike. You are about to see major political finger pointing and cover thou
a$$ maneuvers.
I am very pro-American and would love to have a prisident running America
with America as their agenda and not their own personal future wealth
driving their dicisions.
Bush is a hypocrite and can't be trusted. Do you ever wonder where all those
billions of dollars have gone (I bet Cheney knows), because it sure isn't
looking like it has helped rebuild and restructure Iraq.
If the resources would have actually been used to take down Al-Quiada
instead of going after Sadam because of Bush's personal vendetta, we would
probably be a lot safer and have the backing of the majority of other
citizens of the world. Now as the result of his actions, we don't have the
necessary clout to keep real threats like North Korea and Iran from
escalating their weapons to real MDA status.
Wonder what CEO position Bush will fill when his stolen 8 years destroying
the US are finally over? I pity that poor company.
Check his track record in his business folleys.
http://alaric3rh.home.sprynet.com/science/bceo.html
He almost destroyed the Texas Rangers, but made $10,000,000 profit on a
$950,000 investmet.
http://austin.about.com/cs/bushbiographies/a/bush_background_5.htm
 
I have just been
waiting for the evidence to start filtering down, and I am sure more will
now start coming now that the thumb has been removed from the hole in the
dike. You are about to see major political finger pointing and cover thou
a$$ maneuvers.

The problem is that there is nothing to cover, there is nothing to start
flowing out except the truth, which will contradict what the Media has
been spewing for the last 6 years.

Finger pointing is what happens when there is no facts, no truth, and
it's done to make one site look bad, facts are not a finger pointing.
 
kurttrail said:
Totally. I think he is an abortion that didn't take. He had all but
the reptilian portion of his brain d&c'ed.

I plonked him back when I used OE for newsgroups. I guess I'll have to
do it again as having an intelligent discussion with Leythos is
impossible because he swallows the Bush party line hook, line and sinker.

Alias
 
Leythos said:
The problem is that there is nothing to cover, there is nothing to
start flowing out except the truth, which will contradict what the
Media has been spewing for the last 6 years.

Finger pointing is what happens when there is no facts, no truth, and
it's done to make one site look bad, facts are not a finger pointing.

ROFL! So where do you get your supply of Kool-Aid?

You are the See-No-Evil and Hear-No-Evil monkeys all rolled up into one
delusion Lamegirl.

--
Peace!
Kurt Kirsch
Self-anointed Moderator
http://microscum.com
"It'll soon shake your Windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'."
 
ROFL! So where do you get your supply of Kool-Aid?

You are the See-No-Evil and Hear-No-Evil monkeys all rolled up into one
delusion Lamegirl.

Kurt, I think you misunderstand, and not just me, I see lots of evil, I
just happen to be where I've seen what I consider as facts, where I've
seen information that contradicts the media reports, where I've seen the
evil done in those countries, where I've seen what the media doesn't
report, and were I've talked with intel and grunts on the ground in
various countries. I firmly believe in my position because I believe in
what I've seen and consider them to be facts. As a programmer, designer,
network engineer, I've had to learn to diagnose problems for a very long
time, that same logic works on intel and other forms of information -
you should try it some time.

I don't believe the President has been without mistakes, I don't believe
that everything done has been without some level of fault, but, I also
firmly believe that my position is just, truthful, in the right, and has
been proven to be correct.
 
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