Ode to Kurttrail...

[Kurt Kirsch]

That you currently know of - as more information comes out, you might be
surprised to learn about assistance from Iraq/Syria/Iran.....

Yes I'd be very surprised if saddam had real connection to radical
Islamist terrorists that were also against him.

And I definitely wouldn't be surprise about the roles played by Iran
and Syria, as both states were a greater threat to the world than
Saddam in 2003.

Terrorists are responsible for it, not the US.

LOL! It takes two to tango. And it was Bush & Co. that picked the
battleground, not the terrorists. And the poor innocent Iraqis got
shocked and awed to death!

It would have never
started if not for the Terrorists. Keep your head out of the left media
hype and you'll see more.

Ditto to you, Dittohead! Get you head out of the ass of you NeoCon
Masters ass, and breath fresh air for a change. The truth smells much
better than hiding your head in fascist propaganda.

Please identify those "Alternatives", based on all the UN resolutions,
the theft by UN and Iraq, the French/Germans providing restricted
weapons during the sanction period, the continued killing, the continued
building of chemical/bio weapons programs....

Let's not forget that Americans and American oil interests were also
in involved in the oil for food scams!

Oh, lets not forget the
continued torture of Iraqi's that didn't hold Sadamm's beliefs.... Based
on waiting 10 years for him to comply with the UN Sancations/Rules...

I bet you were one of the idiots that were against Clinton going into
the Balkins when mass murder was happening. During the Reagan
Administration, when Iraq was fighting Iran, and gassing Kurds, there
was one conservative voice calling for us to Invade Iraq!

After Gulf War I, and Saddam was killing Shiites by the thousands,
under our no fly zone, where were all the conservative voices then?

Hypocrites! Just as much as all the Democrats that didn't speak out
before the insanity of Gulf War II!

What, specifically, should have been done that wasn't already done?

Not much. And not much needed to be done, unless you needed to give a
boost the US energy sector after the Enron Scandal, and needed to save
Haliburton from bankruptcy!

That Iraq is part of the so-called war on terror is the biggest lie of
all, coming out of the White House. Unless it was to bring more
terror to Iraq than was ever or would ever, if we just kept the
sanctions in place.

Just because the sheep follow the media political machine and the left
idiots, it doesn't mean the war or the President is wrong - a lot of
good things are unpopular when done.

Killing innocent Iraqis, a good thing? Torturing Iraqis, both
innocent and guilty, in Abu Ghraib, a good thing? Making Iraq the
training center for future terrorists, like the USSR did in
Afghanistan, a good thing?

I bet that was the way Nazis justified the slaughter of the Jews. It's
a nasty unpopular business, but in the end it a good thing to be rid
of them!

My God! Oops, don't want to bring him into it, as Jesus wasn't into
the Holy War thing. That was his earthly followers idea. Crusade!

Except this crusade isn't about the Holy Land, but about the Holy
Almighty Oil!

It's good to see that you didn't dispute the documents, as more come out
you may change your opinion if you look at facts instead of emotion and
hate.

ROFL! What is to dispute? WorldNetDaily is a total rag! Show me
where anyone of it is repeated it the mainstream media, not the
whackjob conservative propaganda machine!

 

[xheggenvy]

Maybe, since this is a PUBLIC FORUM, if he wanted to limit the scope of
his statement he should have considered the wording of the statement as
we only have the statement to base our understanding on.

Placing the blame over your assumptions on him?

Yep, just like you blame innocent Iraqis for 911!

You are so whacked in the head!

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[xheggenvy]

I'm not defending Microsoft and you know it, at least I would hope
you're smart enough to see that.

Yeah, I'm smart enough to see thru your BS! I hurt Microsoft. That
is like saying the gnat that flew in to my glasses while I was riding
my scooter hurt me!

I'm defending the RIGHTS of a company
to control and maintain their own service/hardware in any manner they
see fit, and to remove anything THEY feel is objectionable at their
discretion.

Did I say they didn't have the right? No. As a matter of fact, I
have agreed they have the right, but it really accomplishes nothing,
except make them look like a bully, and gives my opinions about them
more credibility, especially to those that grew up with free speech,
and don't believe that it is something that only liberals believe in!

In the case of Usenet services, no company is required to
maintain your posts/replies, any company can delete your posts/replies
as they see fit. Your rights to post/reply are not greater then their
right to control their OWN SERVER.

Never said they didn't dipsh*t. It is the result of them exercising
their right that I question.

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[xheggenvy]

Well that pretty much put the nail in the coffin. Anyone that knows our
history knows that you and I don't agree on much of the fundementals about
activation, but I would never want to deny you the right to express your
opinion. I am appalled with the current administrators of this newsgroup, it
is embarrassing that they have deemed you as such a useless resource of
information to ban all your posts. This is not acceptable and should be
brought to the attention of the public media on how free speech is not free
in the Microsoft newsgroups.

Yeah, I did think of it, and I do have some a couple of media sources
that I might be able to call on. But I think a better way to go after
Microsoft would be to bring to the attention of Anti-trust regulators
in the US and EU, and to US State Attorneys General, the erroneous PA
message about too may installations.

If Anyone has a screen print of this PA message, I'd be very
interested in obtaining a copy of it just for those purposes.

I already have the documentation where MS specifically states that
WinXP can be reinstalled an infinite number of times, which directly
contradicts what PA tells people with its erroneous message.

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[xheggenvy]

If you read the Newsgroup TOS that they have online, it clearly
permits them to control content. Not all moderated groups have
"moderated" in their name, I can think of several...

And, that doesn't change anything - labeled or not, it's their server,
so you accept the constraints of the provider you post/read
through/from.


No, you have no RIGHT TO POST, you have permission to post until MS
removes your permission to post through their servers. Heck, you don't
even have a RIGHT to use Usenet anywhere, not the internet for that
matter.

What does it accomplish - it doesn't matter, it's their server, we
don't have to agree or disagree with their RIGHT to maintain their
server as they see fit.

You all claim YOUR RIGHTS, but you fail to understand that THEY have
RIGHTS the same as you - they can do what they want with THEIR SERVICE
and you have to say in it.

You are dense. MS has the right to censor its servers and make itself
look foolish in the process. And they accomplished both. Enough
said. Or haven't you had enough yet of talking about that bad man,
kurttrail, may he rest in pieces, or at least in ROT13? ;-)

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[Leythos]

Yep, just like you blame innocent Iraqis for 911!

I didn't blame "Innocent" Iraqis.

 

[Alias]

I didn't blame "Innocent" Iraqis.

I think Bush was responsible for 9/11 and he did it to save his failing
presidency.

Interesting how the Great USA has caught no one involved in 9/11 and
Spain has caught all those involved in 3/11.

Alias

 

[xheggenvy]

Sadam was providing funding and materials to terrorists - he even said
so.

LOL! Now you are using Saddam as a source of information!

Except that they were still there while we were going in this time...

Not according to BOTH of Bush's post-war WMD inspectors. Oops, I
guess you forgot about that!

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[Kurt Kirsch]

I didn't blame "Innocent" Iraqis.

But you don't care if they die needlessly! I don't say you do,no one
here is gonna believe you.

 

[Leythos]

You are dense. MS has the right to censor its servers and make itself
look foolish in the process. And they accomplished both.

They only look foolish to a few, most people find it refreshing to not
have to wade through nasty comments that are not needed to make ones
point.

Enough
said. Or haven't you had enough yet of talking about that bad man,
kurttrail, may he rest in pieces, or at least in ROT13? ;-)

Kurt's doing fine, never thought he was a Bad Man, but it seems you
can't say on a subject without diverting to some crap.

 

[Leythos]

I think Bush was responsible for 9/11 and he did it to save his failing
presidency.

Interesting how the Great USA has caught no one involved in 9/11 and
Spain has caught all those involved in 3/11.

Interesting how it was planned and started under Clinton and how little
Clinton did to deter Terrorism. Bush didn't have much of a start when
9/11 happened.

People associated with 9/11 have been captured and held, what hole have
you been living in.

 

[Leythos]

But you don't care if they die needlessly! I don't say you do,no one
here is gonna believe you.

Some people die for the cause of Freedom, it's been that way since two
cities were started on earth... War, while not a good thing, is needed
at times to give people back their rights and freedom.

 

[Leythos]

LOL! Now you are using Saddam as a source of information!

And you don't believe his taped meetings, his own words?

I think it just goes to show what your agenda is, since you don't want
to believe that you could be wrong, since you would not accept that
you're wrong no matter what evidence is presented, that would either
make you very stupid or just looking to stir-up people because you have
nothing better in your life.

Not according to BOTH of Bush's post-war WMD inspectors. Oops, I
guess you forgot about that!

Geeee, and many inspections showing chemical stock piles have been
presented since we went in, even in some prime-time media outlets, but
you seem to have forgotten those. I didn't forget anything, and you
appear to have missed all the reports that said the inspectors were not
permitted access to sites for days at a time, or the masses of trucks
that left Iraq for Syria....

 

[Alias]

And you don't believe his taped meetings, his own words?

I think it just goes to show what your agenda is, since you don't want
to believe that you could be wrong, since you would not accept that
you're wrong no matter what evidence is presented, that would either
make you very stupid or just looking to stir-up people because you have
nothing better in your life.


Geeee, and many inspections showing chemical stock piles have been
presented since we went in, even in some prime-time media outlets, but
you seem to have forgotten those. I didn't forget anything, and you
appear to have missed all the reports that said the inspectors were not
permitted access to sites for days at a time, or the masses of trucks
that left Iraq for Syria....

So when does the inspection/sanctions of the USA begin? We *know* the
USA has the largest stockpile of WMDs in the world! Or is it a do as I
say, not as I do situation? We also know that the USA has used WMDs in
Iraq, Viet Nam and Japan. But God's on the USA's side so it's all right,
right?

Alias

 

[Alias]

Interesting how it was planned and started under Clinton and how little
Clinton did to deter Terrorism. Bush didn't have much of a start when
9/11 happened.

So Bush says. How many times was the USA attacked under Clinton? None?
Bush did it.

People associated with 9/11 have been captured and held, what hole have
you been living in.

Name one. You can't.

Alias

 

[Uranus Umbaba [MSFU]]

That is not all you said Kurt.
You did NOT say "wish", you said "hope", go back and read what you said,
perhaps it will be news to you.
You are changing your own words.

Are you that desperate to nit pick my paraphrasing myself?

The context---you hoped my family would starve and dehydrate so that I could
see what it is like to see my family suffer.

Yep, like we watched the poor people of New Orleans suffer while Bush
was on yet another vacation!

Your hate drives you so much you feel it is important enough for others
unknown to you to be hurt to teach me something you ASSUME I do not know.

ROFL! Again, I don't hate you. I feel sorry for you, even though I
don't have a shred of respect for you.

If you do know, post the source for this fact, otherwise it is an assumption
on your part.

You demonstrated it with your own words. You post the thread if you
wish, since you just can't seem to get over it. Personally, I am
quite comfortable to stand by what I said then and now.

If it is not hate, what is it that drives you to want others unknown to you
to suffer so much?

I've already explained it to you. Need I repeat myself, just because
you are unwilling to understand?

Here it is again, though I have edited it to reflect your little
nitpick.

"You were being totally self-righteous, and I was just *HOPING* for
you to be in the same circumstances as those you were being superior
to."

"I was basically just *HOPING* you [would] walk a mile in another
persons shoes so you could understand them better. But you weren't
man enough to walk that mile."

I would NEVER wish or hope for anything bad to happen to your family.

Dude, you really are dense. If I were being totally uncaring about
the suffering of others, I'd hope that someone would say something
like what I said to me, to put that suffering into personal terms that
hopefully I'd understand.

I wasn't really *HOPING* for any real harm to happen to your family, I
was trying to show you how uncaring you were being about the suffering
of others by putting it into personal terms that you should have been
able to understand.

To walk that mile in your imagination, not in the reality that the
poor suffering people actually were! Trying to use word to wake you
out of your total callous attitude to those who were really suffering!

But you know what, you are incapable of understanding and empathizing
with those that are suffering.

You probably still can not comprehend that some would "NEVER" want something
bad to happen and that is a major difference between us.

LOL! You are retarded. No wait, I take that back! That would be an
insult to people that are mentally-challenged!

Oh no, I bet you feel attacked again!

Since I do not hate anyone, I will NEVER wish or hope bad to happen as you
do.

You sure didn't show any compassion to those that were actually
suffering! In fact, you were more affected by my mere words than the
suffering of others!

"I'm man enough not to cry about it"
And yet that is exactly what you are doing about your deleted posts.
Perhaps you are not "man enough"

Am I crying about it? ROFL!

I have repeatedly said MS has every right to do it. I just question
the results of their actions.

kurttrail is dead! Long live Uranus Umbaba!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

 

[xheggenvy]

And you don't believe his taped meetings, his own words?

Link to those recorded words? And use a real media source, not
WorldNutjobDaily or the like.

And to answer your question on the total assumption that Saddam said
he had weapons in 2003, no I wouldn't believe him. No WMDs were ever
found. Both of Bush's WMD inspectors came to the conclusion that
Saddam's WMDs were destroyed in the 1990's. Scott Ritter, the UN
weapons inspector said the same BEFORE the Iraqi Invasion for Oil.

These men are far more credible sources of information, than some
petty despot struggling to maintain his power in his own country, and
give the false impression of strength to his perceived local enemies.

I think it just goes to show what your agenda is, since you don't want
to believe that you could be wrong, since you would not accept that
you're wrong no matter what evidence is presented, that would either
make you very stupid or just looking to stir-up people because you
have nothing better in your life.

You haven't shown any evidence. You reprinted a copyrighted fiction,
without permission I might add, created by some wacko writing for
WorldNutjobDaily.

I guess some types of copyrighted material deserves more protection
that others in your book!

Geeee, and many inspections showing chemical stock piles have been
presented since we went in, even in some prime-time media outlets, but
you seem to have forgotten those.

Like? I haven't seen any credible reports of actual WMDs in Iraq.

Go ahead, show us these mainstream media reports!

I didn't forget anything, and you
appear to have missed all the reports that said the inspectors were
not permitted access to sites for days at a time, or the masses of
trucks that left Iraq for Syria....

LOL! Yep, and the fictional mobile WMD laboratories that Colin Powell
so regrets telling the UN about!

I bet you still believe that fairy tales can come true, it can happen
to you, if your young at heart . . . .

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[xheggenvy]

Some people die for the cause of Freedom, it's been that way since two
cities were started on earth... War, while not a good thing, is needed
at times to give people back their rights and freedom.

LOL! Yet another lie of the right. The Iraq Invasion is about
Freedom!

I believe that the USSR said the same about their Afghani Invasion.

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[Leythos]

We also know that the USA has used WMDs in
Iraq

Please quote the source of the above.

Rather than continuing to pollute the group, how about we take this to
email if you're still interested in continuing.

 

[Leythos]

So Bush says. How many times was the USA attacked under Clinton? None?
Bush did it.

Wrong, The USA and US people/property were attacked many times under
Clinton - you can look it up yourself.

Name one. You can't.

All you have to do is read the news, even some of it's on TV right now,
concerning one idiot that's being tried for his involvement, and others
have been named and captured and are being held.

I'll reply via email at this point, having nothing to hide, but it's OT
in this group, so unless you want to move to a group it's OT in, I would
be more than willing to take it to email.