G
Guest
When I create a page in Normal view and then look at it in Preview and also
preview it in a browser, it looks different.
preview it in a browser, it looks different.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an alternative browser.
You should upgrade or use an alternative browser.
E
E. T. Culling
Give us a URL and more info about what is different. Otherwise we'd only be
guessing. Hope you didn't use absolute positioning.
ETC
guessing. Hope you didn't use absolute positioning.
ETC
M
Murray
Absolute positioning is not a problem when it's used correctly, Eleanor.
Is it easy to use absolute positioning incorrectly? Yes, until you know how
not to.
Is it easy to use absolute positioning incorrectly? Yes, until you know how
not to.
G
Guest
I was trying to set up a page from the templates - narrow, right aligned
body- so that I could have pictures on half of the page and text on the
other. The pictures and text look fine when I preview them and also when I
initially insert the text. But after I exit the program and look at the page
again in normal view all the text is in a column one word at a time.
Positioning is set at none. This page is not yet published.
body- so that I could have pictures on half of the page and text on the
other. The pictures and text look fine when I preview them and also when I
initially insert the text. But after I exit the program and look at the page
again in normal view all the text is in a column one word at a time.
Positioning is set at none. This page is not yet published.
M
Murray
Can you show me the code on the page?
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Murray
--
Murray
pawise said:I was trying to set up a page from the templates - narrow, right aligned
body- so that I could have pictures on half of the page and text on the
other. The pictures and text look fine when I preview them and also when I
initially insert the text. But after I exit the program and look at the
page
again in normal view all the text is in a column one word at a time.
Positioning is set at none. This page is not yet published.
G
Guest
I'm just learning all this stuff - how do I show you the code on the page?
M
Murray
Paste it into a reply?
Upload it and post a URI to the uploaded page?
Either of those are great ways....
Upload it and post a URI to the uploaded page?
Either of those are great ways....
E
E. T. Culling
And where can we learn how to use it correctly, please? Beginners shouldn't
go near it ... do you agree with that?
Eleanor
go near it ... do you agree with that?
Eleanor
M
Murray
Beginners shouldn't go near anything they do not understand how to use.
Absolute positioning is not so hard, but it does take some trial (and error)
and study.
Here are some rules for working with absolutely positioned divisions (or
layers) that I helped develop some years ago. They are all pretty
relevant -
http://www.thepattysite.com/layer_laws.cfm
Absolute positioning is not so hard, but it does take some trial (and error)
and study.
Here are some rules for working with absolutely positioned divisions (or
layers) that I helped develop some years ago. They are all pretty
relevant -
http://www.thepattysite.com/layer_laws.cfm
T
Thomas A. Rowe
Murray,
The main problem is that people want/purchase FP, so that they do not have to learn HTML. This has
been stated by users many times in this newsgroup.
FP make it very easy to use Absolute Positioning, without really realizing what they are using.
Folks want to just be able to drag photos around on the page until it look right to them, just like
in Publisher and Word.
--
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Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================
The main problem is that people want/purchase FP, so that they do not have to learn HTML. This has
been stated by users many times in this newsgroup.
FP make it very easy to use Absolute Positioning, without really realizing what they are using.
Folks want to just be able to drag photos around on the page until it look right to them, just like
in Publisher and Word.
--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================
G
Guest
<html>
<head>
<meta name="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 5.0">
<meta name="ProgId" content="FrontPage.Editor.Document">
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=windows-1252">
<meta http-equiv="Content-Language" content="en-us">
<title>Robin Prodanovich</title>
<meta name="Microsoft Theme" content="copy-of-blocks1 010, default">
<meta name="Microsoft Border" content="tlb, default">
</head>
<body><table border="0" cellpadding="3" width="100%" height="1333">
<tr>
<td align="right" valign="top" width="44%" height="1325"><br>
<img border="0" src="RP%20winter%20wave%20Baja%20'04.JPG" width="469"
height="319"><p> </p>
<p><img border="0" src="rpandsons.jpg" width="470" height="280"></p>
<p> </p>
<p align="center">
<img border="0" src="rpshaping.jpg" width="416" height="600"><p
align="center">
<p align="center">
<br>
<br>
<p align="center">
<p align="center">
</td>
<td valign="top" width="45%"><table border="0" cellpadding="0"
cellspacing="0" width="100%">
<font FACE="Arial" SIZE="5"><b>
<p ALIGN="center"> </p>
</b></font>
</font></font></font></font></font></font><table border="0"
cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%">
<p ALIGN="JUSTIFY"></p>
</table><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%">
<p ALIGN="JUSTIFY"></p>
</table>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%">
<font FACE="Arial" SIZE="5" color="#0000FF"><b>
<p ALIGN="center">Robin Prodanovich designer/shaper</p>
</b></font>
<p ALIGN="left">As a native of San Diego and having a father that
was an
avid free diver and spearfisherman, my exposure to the waves and the
ocean came at a very early age. My family spent many weekends on the
beaches of La Jolla and on the bluffs of Sunset Cliffs while my
parents
dove for abalone and lobster and speared the occasional unlucky fish
that happened to swim by. But, my interest in the ocean was the waves
that I saw breaking at Osprey Reef, Luscombs and Garbage Reef. By age
twelve, I had my first surfboard and have been hooked ever since.
1968,
what a year. I got my first blank by stripping the fiberglass off an
old
no-name surfboard, and using only a surform hand tool I proceeded to
shape my first board. For my next attempt I rented a large, extremely
powerful planer and with a new Clark Foam blank, produced a board
that
rode well.</p>
<p ALIGN="left">By 1973, I had shaped numerous boards for myself and
my
friends and decided to make some money. I approached Paul at Gordon
and
Smith Surfboards, showed him a board I had shaped, and he hired me on
the spot. My nine years at G&S were extremely valuable. I shaped a
variety of boards and worked closely with Mark Richards on his twin
fin
designs. This association with Mark gave me the opportunity to go to
Australia in 1980 for research and development and a lot of
surfing.</p>
<p ALIGN="left">In 1982 I decided to break out on my own. I formed
Prodanovich Enterprises, producing my own boards and contract shaping
for other companies. Some of my accounts included G&S, Nectar and
Linden
Surfboards. Two years later Local Motion approached me to shape and
distribute boards for them along the west coast. I worked with team
riders and helped Local Motion with many ASR shows. In 1985 hooked
up with Rusty Surfboards. My association with Rusty as a shaper
lasted
over 5 years. Since the early 90’s I’ve been working very closely
with
South Coast Surfboards and their 4 shops here in San Diego to design
and
shape a wide variety of boards, everything from kneeboards to
longboards.
Along the way I have placed my own RP Surfboards in selected shops in
California.</p>
<p ALIGN="left"></p>
<p ALIGN="left">Shaping for 35 years and producing over 30,000
surfboards keeps me busy. All of my boards are completely handshaped
by
me and hand laminated and finished by skilled craftsmen at Custom
Surf
and Sail Glassing. I’m constantly refining planlines, bottom rockers
and
contours but I’m not so busy that I can’t take time for some research
and development in the water. Surfing around town, taking trips to
great
point breaks in Baja and adventure surfing on mainland Mexico gives
me
an opportunity to try out new designs with my two boys as test
pilots.
If the winter surf is not cooperating then I might head up to the
mountains with my family to do some carving of a different kind on my
shaped skis or head out into the desert to get some saddle time on my
Honda XR. Surfing, shaping, skiing or riding my dirt bike; I guess
I’ve
got plenty to do to keep me busy and stoked!</p>
<p ALIGN="left"></p>
<p ALIGN="left">Surf for life,</p>
<p ALIGN="left">Robin</p>
<p ALIGN="center"></p>
</table><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%">
<div style="position: relative">
<p></p>
</div>
</table>
</table></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></body>
<head>
<meta name="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 5.0">
<meta name="ProgId" content="FrontPage.Editor.Document">
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=windows-1252">
<meta http-equiv="Content-Language" content="en-us">
<title>Robin Prodanovich</title>
<meta name="Microsoft Theme" content="copy-of-blocks1 010, default">
<meta name="Microsoft Border" content="tlb, default">
</head>
<body><table border="0" cellpadding="3" width="100%" height="1333">
<tr>
<td align="right" valign="top" width="44%" height="1325"><br>
<img border="0" src="RP%20winter%20wave%20Baja%20'04.JPG" width="469"
height="319"><p> </p>
<p><img border="0" src="rpandsons.jpg" width="470" height="280"></p>
<p> </p>
<p align="center">
<img border="0" src="rpshaping.jpg" width="416" height="600"><p
align="center">
<p align="center">
<br>
<br>
<p align="center">
<p align="center">
</td>
<td valign="top" width="45%"><table border="0" cellpadding="0"
cellspacing="0" width="100%">
<font FACE="Arial" SIZE="5"><b>
<p ALIGN="center"> </p>
</b></font>
</font></font></font></font></font></font><table border="0"
cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%">
<p ALIGN="JUSTIFY"></p>
</table><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%">
<p ALIGN="JUSTIFY"></p>
</table>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%">
<font FACE="Arial" SIZE="5" color="#0000FF"><b>
<p ALIGN="center">Robin Prodanovich designer/shaper</p>
</b></font>
<p ALIGN="left">As a native of San Diego and having a father that
was an
avid free diver and spearfisherman, my exposure to the waves and the
ocean came at a very early age. My family spent many weekends on the
beaches of La Jolla and on the bluffs of Sunset Cliffs while my
parents
dove for abalone and lobster and speared the occasional unlucky fish
that happened to swim by. But, my interest in the ocean was the waves
that I saw breaking at Osprey Reef, Luscombs and Garbage Reef. By age
twelve, I had my first surfboard and have been hooked ever since.
1968,
what a year. I got my first blank by stripping the fiberglass off an
old
no-name surfboard, and using only a surform hand tool I proceeded to
shape my first board. For my next attempt I rented a large, extremely
powerful planer and with a new Clark Foam blank, produced a board
that
rode well.</p>
<p ALIGN="left">By 1973, I had shaped numerous boards for myself and
my
friends and decided to make some money. I approached Paul at Gordon
and
Smith Surfboards, showed him a board I had shaped, and he hired me on
the spot. My nine years at G&S were extremely valuable. I shaped a
variety of boards and worked closely with Mark Richards on his twin
fin
designs. This association with Mark gave me the opportunity to go to
Australia in 1980 for research and development and a lot of
surfing.</p>
<p ALIGN="left">In 1982 I decided to break out on my own. I formed
Prodanovich Enterprises, producing my own boards and contract shaping
for other companies. Some of my accounts included G&S, Nectar and
Linden
Surfboards. Two years later Local Motion approached me to shape and
distribute boards for them along the west coast. I worked with team
riders and helped Local Motion with many ASR shows. In 1985 hooked
up with Rusty Surfboards. My association with Rusty as a shaper
lasted
over 5 years. Since the early 90’s I’ve been working very closely
with
South Coast Surfboards and their 4 shops here in San Diego to design
and
shape a wide variety of boards, everything from kneeboards to
longboards.
Along the way I have placed my own RP Surfboards in selected shops in
California.</p>
<p ALIGN="left"></p>
<p ALIGN="left">Shaping for 35 years and producing over 30,000
surfboards keeps me busy. All of my boards are completely handshaped
by
me and hand laminated and finished by skilled craftsmen at Custom
Surf
and Sail Glassing. I’m constantly refining planlines, bottom rockers
and
contours but I’m not so busy that I can’t take time for some research
and development in the water. Surfing around town, taking trips to
great
point breaks in Baja and adventure surfing on mainland Mexico gives
me
an opportunity to try out new designs with my two boys as test
pilots.
If the winter surf is not cooperating then I might head up to the
mountains with my family to do some carving of a different kind on my
shaped skis or head out into the desert to get some saddle time on my
Honda XR. Surfing, shaping, skiing or riding my dirt bike; I guess
I’ve
got plenty to do to keep me busy and stoked!</p>
<p ALIGN="left"></p>
<p ALIGN="left">Surf for life,</p>
<p ALIGN="left">Robin</p>
<p ALIGN="center"></p>
</table><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%">
<div style="position: relative">
<p></p>
</div>
</table>
</table></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></body>
R
Ronx
There is a lot on this page that needs correcting.
First, rename your files and folders to eliminate spaces and other
characters like apostrophes. Only alpha-numeric (and the hyphen and
underline) characters should be used for naming folders and files in a
website.
Tables need to have rows and cells, these are designated by <tr> and <td>
tags respectively, and these have to be closed using </td> and </tr> tags.
Example
<table>
<tr>
<td>some data</td>
<td>some more data</td>
</tr>
</table>
<font> declarations must be inside the <p> tags, not surrounding them.
See www.rxs-enterprises.com/tests/surf.htm for a corrected example of this
page. This may not be exactly what you want, but it's a good start. (the
example does not have shared borders or theme applied - so make allowances
for that.)
Further improvements - I would seriously consider reducing the size of the
images to less than half their present width/height (use a graphics program
for this, and work on copies of the images, not the originals.) This will
improve the layout, and allow users with 800x600 browser windows to see the
page without left/right scrolling.
HTH
Ron
First, rename your files and folders to eliminate spaces and other
characters like apostrophes. Only alpha-numeric (and the hyphen and
underline) characters should be used for naming folders and files in a
website.
Tables need to have rows and cells, these are designated by <tr> and <td>
tags respectively, and these have to be closed using </td> and </tr> tags.
Example
<table>
<tr>
<td>some data</td>
<td>some more data</td>
</tr>
</table>
<font> declarations must be inside the <p> tags, not surrounding them.
See www.rxs-enterprises.com/tests/surf.htm for a corrected example of this
page. This may not be exactly what you want, but it's a good start. (the
example does not have shared borders or theme applied - so make allowances
for that.)
Further improvements - I would seriously consider reducing the size of the
images to less than half their present width/height (use a graphics program
for this, and work on copies of the images, not the originals.) This will
improve the layout, and allow users with 800x600 browser windows to see the
page without left/right scrolling.
HTH
Ron
M
Murray
Thomas:
It's clear to me that this is the approach in this and other fora. I don't
have a problem with this. And as long as I have been posting here (not
long), I have stayed with this approach, unless it was to answer a specific
question that can only be done using AP methods. But I will try to give
people some uplift, too.
It's not so hard to tell when a poster has no interest in learning HTML. In
those cases, it is indeed best to avoid any mention of AP based-methods, or
even code based solutions at all. In other cases, however, the poster may
be receptive to learning a new method, and I try to push the envelope a bit
in those cases.
What I disagreed with was Eleanor's blanket condemnation of AP methods.
Such messages have an impact, and are often regarded as 'gospel' - such
preconceptions can interfere later in ways that were unintended.
If this offends, or violates any culture here, then I apologize - it was not
intended to do so.
It's clear to me that this is the approach in this and other fora. I don't
have a problem with this. And as long as I have been posting here (not
long), I have stayed with this approach, unless it was to answer a specific
question that can only be done using AP methods. But I will try to give
people some uplift, too.
It's not so hard to tell when a poster has no interest in learning HTML. In
those cases, it is indeed best to avoid any mention of AP based-methods, or
even code based solutions at all. In other cases, however, the poster may
be receptive to learning a new method, and I try to push the envelope a bit
in those cases.
What I disagreed with was Eleanor's blanket condemnation of AP methods.
Such messages have an impact, and are often regarded as 'gospel' - such
preconceptions can interfere later in ways that were unintended.
If this offends, or violates any culture here, then I apologize - it was not
intended to do so.
T
Thomas A. Rowe
Murray,
I personally have no problems with your responses, plus I have learned from your responses as well.
--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================
I personally have no problems with your responses, plus I have learned from your responses as well.
--
==============================================
Thomas A. Rowe (Microsoft MVP - FrontPage)
WEBMASTER Resources(tm)
FrontPage Resources, WebCircle, MS KB Quick Links, etc.
==============================================
E
E. T. Culling
In the future I will try to rephrase my answer so that it will not be a
'blanket condemnation'. The 10 Layers Laws page is very much for Dreamweaver
folks and therefore not too pertinent for FrontPage users, unless possibly
they have used both FP and DW. I want us to be able to pass along good solid
information to the posters which will state why or why not something is
recommended as is the case with Jim Buyens 10 Tips article:
http://www.interlacken.com/winnt/tips/tipshow.aspx?tip=29 He goes on to
give only two suggestions "If you can't avoid using AP."
The same approach for helping posters is how we answer the "Hover Button"
question. If you tell them how to make a Java applet work and say no more
then you haven't helped the beginner who should be told not to use them ....
again as Jim B. has done in his article.
So who will write an article for FP users that will explain how to use AP
correctly?
Eleanor
'blanket condemnation'. The 10 Layers Laws page is very much for Dreamweaver
folks and therefore not too pertinent for FrontPage users, unless possibly
they have used both FP and DW. I want us to be able to pass along good solid
information to the posters which will state why or why not something is
recommended as is the case with Jim Buyens 10 Tips article:
http://www.interlacken.com/winnt/tips/tipshow.aspx?tip=29 He goes on to
give only two suggestions "If you can't avoid using AP."
The same approach for helping posters is how we answer the "Hover Button"
question. If you tell them how to make a Java applet work and say no more
then you haven't helped the beginner who should be told not to use them ....
again as Jim B. has done in his article.
So who will write an article for FP users that will explain how to use AP
correctly?
Eleanor
G
Guest
Thanks, I'll check it out. The page was a template that I just put the info
in. Still learning alot but enjoying it!!
in. Still learning alot but enjoying it!!
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