No Mouse or Keyboard!

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Barry Higginbottom

Hi

A friend of mine is unable to get past the Welcome screen as he has no
mouse or keyboard input available.

His computer is an HP Pavilion with USB keyboard and mouse, currently
running XP Home SP1, which was installed onto a new hard disk as a 'clean'
install. XP was installed with the 'standard' Microsoft keyboard driver.

I have talked him through a safe mode start where everything works fine and
I have got him to go back to a system restore point earlier in the week
when everything *was* working but currently it's still no go.

I suspect he was playing around trying to install a different keyboard
driver, but he is in his 70's and cannot remember what he did yesterday!
(or at least he won't admit to it!)

Has anyone any suggestions as to how I can recover the situation for him?

TIA
 
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*Vanguard*

"Barry Higginbottom" said in
Hi

A friend of mine is unable to get past the Welcome screen as he has no
mouse or keyboard input available.

His computer is an HP Pavilion with USB keyboard and mouse, currently
running XP Home SP1, which was installed onto a new hard disk as a
'clean' install. XP was installed with the 'standard' Microsoft
keyboard driver.

I have talked him through a safe mode start where everything works
fine and I have got him to go back to a system restore point earlier
in the week when everything *was* working but currently it's still no
go.

I suspect he was playing around trying to install a different keyboard
driver, but he is in his 70's and cannot remember what he did
yesterday! (or at least he won't admit to it!)

Has anyone any suggestions as to how I can recover the situation for
him?

TIA

Does his BIOS actually support USB keyboard and mouse? Probably not.
That means he will encounter problems later if he ever has to go into
BIOS to change those settings because his USB keyboard won't work. The
USB keyboard should have an adapter to let it plug into the standard
PS/2 port. Unless there is native support within the hardware (i.e.,
BIOS) then there must be PS/2 ports and that's what should get used.
Without the native BIOS support for USB keyboard, it isn't available
until the driver for it loads (and that's your problem at the moment
because a non-USB keyboard is selected).

You say the USB-connected keyboard works when Windows is booted into
Safe mode. Okay, so why not then install the driver and/or software
that came with the USB keyboard so it then works in normal mode? If the
computer has PS/2 ports, and since USB keyboards are usually really
PS/2-USB keyboards (can use either port), I have to wonder why anyone
would throw away the perfectly working PS/2 port to suffer the problems
of using USB for their keyboard. There are USB-only keyboards being
sold. However, most keyboards nowadays have a USB end and include a
PS/2 adapter.
 
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Barry Higginbottom

Does his BIOS actually support USB keyboard and mouse? Probably not.

HP supplied as USB keyboard so, yes, USB support is and always has been
used on this 'puter for the last 2 years. And I don't recall it having any
PS2 ports.
 
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Barry Higginbottom

Good luck and keep us posted.

Hi Kelly

Well, I had to get my friend Bill to boot off his XP CD and do a repair
re-installation. I have no idea what the cause of the problem was and I was
astonished that a system restore from a previous restore point wouldn't!

Something must have got screwed, but I don't know what. Anyway, he's back
up and running. I've just noticed another post to the newsgroup today with
what looks to be the same problem.

I wonder if it could be a virus?

Although I know that his virus files are updated daily.

Thanks for your interest...
 
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*Vanguard*

"Barry Higginbottom" said in
HP supplied as USB keyboard so, yes, USB support is and always has
been used on this 'puter for the last 2 years. And I don't recall it
having any PS2 ports.

Okay, the dumbass question: Has the user checked that the keyboard is
fully seated into the connector? Have they removed it and plugged it
back in? Do this when the power is off, not to protect the keyboard but
to be sure that the keyboard gets the reset signal during the POST
sequence to initialize the keyboard to a known state after you have
ensured it is fully seated in the connector.

This isn't a cordless keyboard, is it? If so, has the user tried
putting in new batteries? Is there an unobstructed path between the
cordless keyboard and its receiver? While RF is used (so line-of-sight
for infrared isn't needed), make sure the signal isn't blocked by the
receiver being on the other side of the monitor or blocked by the metal
system case. Has the user pressed the Connect button on the receiver
and the Connect button on the bottom of the device to make sure they are
in sync?

Having support for legacy USB by turning on the option in BIOS is NOT
the same as natively supporting it ALWAYS. Lots of motherboards have
BIOS where you can enable and disable the USB legacy support. It this
BIOS option is disabled then you cannot use a USB keyboard and must
revert to using a PS/2 port. Going to HP's web site is fruitless
because even they don't know what their purchasing bought the week that
they fabbed a particular model. Same for Dell and Gateway. You don't
know what the hell you're getting inside the box.

It was working before, now it's not. Have the user go into BIOS and see
if there is a setting to select to enable USB support for legacy devices
(keyboard and mouse). If he cannot even get in the BIOS screens because
the keyboard is not working then find out if there are PS/2 ports. If
so, have him remove the USB-to-PS/2 adapter from the keyboard and use
the PS/2 port (be sure he plugs it in the one for the keyboard and not
the mouse since the connectors are identical). If there is no
USB-to-PS/2 adapter (because it is a USB-only keyboard), get another
keyboard which does have a PS/2 connector (you can get them for $5 for
the minimal cheapie ones) that is PS/2. Hook up that PS/2 keyboard and
then check the BIOS settings. If the computer is 2 years old, I would
suspect that is does have PS/2 ports. I don't recall a plethora of
USB-only keyboards back then. Some, yes, lots, no.

If you find the BIOS setting, if present, changed from enabled to
disable for USB legacy support, you might start considering putting in a
new CMOS battery. Could be getting weak after 2 years and the CMOS
table is not retaining its settings when the computer is powered down
and then later powered back up.

If the keyboard is functioning so the user can enter BIOS and navigate
its screens then the hardware is okay. You mentioned that the
USB-connected keyboard worked in Safe mode. Is that still true? If so,
have the user boot into Safe mode and run the System Configuration
Utility (msconfig.exe) to disable all startup programs. Then have the
user reboot into normal mode and check if the keyboard is working then.
That will remove the possibility that something getting loaded on
startup (and many load *before* you login) is interferring with the
keyboard.

While in Safe mode where you say the keyboard works, install the driver
or software for the keyboard, if there is any. The standard keyboard
driver you say is being used assumes it is a PS/2 keyboard. The
"standard" keyboard drivers are the "PC/AT Enhanced PS/2 Keyboard" or
the "Standard 101/102-Key Keyboard", both of which presume a PS/2
connection. Since it is a Dell which came pre-installed with Windows
along with hardware setup, there might be another entry in the driver
list for the Dell keyboard. HP's web site is worthless for getting a
copy of the manual, or maybe they never do provide a technical manual.
If the only keyboard provided with their model was a USB-only keyboard,
or the computer had no PS/2 ports so you were forced to use USB, I would
think Dell would have embedded a driver for its USB keyboard in the
pre-installed OS that you could select from the driver list when
updating the driver for the keyboard (but opting to select from a list).
It sounds contradictory to be selecting a "standard PS/2 keyboard" when
what you have is a "USB keyboard". Drivers are geared to support the
hardware they were designed for, so a PS/2 driver supports devices on
the PS/2 port and a USB device driver supports that device when
connected on a USB port.
 
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*Vanguard*

Okay, saw in your other post that the problem got fixed with a Repair
from the Windows CD. Clink, cheers, guzzle more wine and hope it
doesn't reappear.

I'd still check what keyboard was selected in Device Manager. Seems
inappropriate to be selecting a PS/2 keyboard driver for a USB-connected
device.
 
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Barry Higginbottom

Okay, saw in your other post that the problem got fixed with a Repair
from the Windows CD. Clink, cheers, guzzle more wine and hope it
doesn't reappear.

I'd still check what keyboard was selected in Device Manager. Seems
inappropriate to be selecting a PS/2 keyboard driver for a USB-connected
device.

Hi, yes the keyboard selected was for USB, but the mystery deepens as I
start to get more information!

It now appears that there *may* be a virus/spyware lurking because he now
gets:

"SPRINGFLD_ADV_DAEMON:WKSCAL.EXE-entry point not found"

Quick search has come up with several suggestions ranging from latest
"Windows Update corrupting MSDART.DLL" to "Springfield Advertising Spyware"

But at least the PC is working *most* of the time! <G>
 

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