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Yeah i am...

Am looking at the Abit NV8, Sempron 2800, 512Mb RAM deal... on OCUK

I need to know whether the NV8 HAS to have an ATX 2.0 Power Supply - or whether i can use an Arianet case and PSU like for all of my budget builds...
 
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For the faster of the two i have finalised the spec...

Asus A8N-E nForce4 Ultra (Socket 939) PCI-Express Motherboard
AMD Athlon 64 3000+ Venice 90nm (Socket 939)
GeIL 1GB (2x512MB) PC3200 Value Dual Channel Kit CAS2.5
Power Color ATI Radeon X800 GT 256MB GDDR3 TV-Out/DVI (PCI-E)
Samsung SpinPoint P HD120IJ 120GB SATA-II
CoolerMaster Centurion 530 - Black (No PSU)
Akasa Ultra Quiet 400W Paxpower Active PFC ATX2.0 PSU - Black Nickel with Blue LED Fan
Samsung TSH-552U 16 x 16 Dual Layer DVD±RW Rewriter (Black)
Mitsumi Floppy + Card Reader Black
Microsoft Windows XP (Home Edition) Service Pack 2
17" Arianet FastXS TFT Silver - 12ms
Logitech X-230 FDD2 2.1 Subwoofer System
Belkin Wireless K/b & Optical Mouse

I figured S-ATA 2 @ 3 Gig a second should be a little faster than S-ATA 1 @ 150Mb a second :)
 

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just had a look at the user manual and it says

This motherboard provides two power connectors to connect ATX12V power supplier.

NOTE: This 24-pin power connector “ATXPWR1” is compliant to the former 20-pin type. Pay attention to the orientation when doing so (Pin-11, 12, 23, and 24 should be left un-connected).
 
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So it will accept either?! is that what it means?

And for the slower of the two i have finalised the spec:

Abit NV8 nForce 4x (Socket 754)
AMD Sempron 64 2800+ (E6 Revision for optimal efficiency)
512Mb GeIL PC3200 (DDR400) in Dual Channel Kit
HIS Excalibur ATI Radeon X300SE 128MB DDR TV-Out/DVI
Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 NCQ 80GB ST380817AS SATA 8MB Cache
Arianet Black and Silver Midi-Tower 420w PSU
Panasonic SW-9584-CF 16 x 16 DVD±RW Dual Layer ReWriter
Black Floppy Drive
Microsoft Windows XP (Home Edition) Service Pack 2
Logitech X-230 FDD2 2.1 Subwoofer System
Belkin Wireless K/b & Optical Mouse
Rounded Green Floppy Cable 45cm
Rounded Green IDE Cable 45cm
Akasa 8cm Cooling Fan w/ Multi LED's


£443 Inc. VAT
 
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Thanks for all the help, Me :)

Does anyone know what the 6200 and X300 are like compared to each other??
 

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christopherpostill said:
Can anyone tell me if the NV8 needs an ATX 2.0 PSU? Cheers...

CORRECTION (SORRY MUCKS) I MEAN NV8

...d'oh

Your Internet knackerd or summit?

Google not working?

:p

... the answer is yes it uses 24pin PSU pin-out :rolleyes:
 

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Tango_and_Saucepans said:
Can it not use an old school (regular) one as Me says?

(this is Chris, i'm @ Sarahs house)
You could try ... but me, myself and I, would leave nothing to chance or Murphy. :p


Buy a spare MB, just in case you knacker the first one up
 

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im not 100% sure and i cant find any info on the board so i would flog the one in the case on ebay, and buy a cheapish 350W one from Aria, theres a cheap Enermax one just under £40 may be worth looking at or maybe another case with a compatible one
 

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... don't forget the SLI 6pin power cable. ;)

:D
 
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An X300SE bottom of the range budget card needs an external power connector?!

CSE-MID-A-2-BS from Aria.co.uk is the case/psu i want to use for the build - they are very good quality.

Edit: Bingo... Think i have found the answer...

I can use the ATX1.3 PSU, as you can run any ATX 2.0 board with one, and find out if i need the additional PCI-E connection, if so:

Akasa PCI Express 6 Pin to 4 Pin Power cable adaptor for PCI-E Graphics Cards (CB-018-AK)
Allows you too use PCI-Express graphics cards with a 6 pin connector with older Power Supplies that only have 4 pin molex connectors.

Price: £2.95 (£3.47 Including VAT at 17.5%)

Thanks to

(Q) the new "xyx" motherboard has a 24pin plug - so do i need a new 24pin PSU ?

Not necessarely. All the upcoming new boards (eg. Nforce 4) SHOULD be capable of running with an "old" ATX 1.3 20pin-plug equipped PSU as well as with a new ATX 2.0 24pin PSU.

The question here is rather whether the PSU itself is a good brand name PSU with sufficient wattage. Dont expect a recent high-end system with pci-express card(s) and A64 CPU to run flawlessly off an old 350W noname PSU.

(Q) but what about the extra 4 pins on the PSU plug/motherboard connector ?

These four extra pins on the newer ATX 2.0 PSUs are solely for providing power to the pci-express port . I guess the specs demanded a separation of the power-rails for CPU/motherboard and high-end graphics.
Therefore they put the additional rails on the plug/motherboard which provides +12V, +5V, +3.3 and GND to the pci-express slot.

(Q) So..but i got/plan to get a pci-express card !

pci-express cards will MOSTLY have an external power-connector (6 pin pci-express). You can connect two unused molex connectors from your PSU to this connector on the graphic card via an adapter. If you dont have this adapter - newegg has one
pci-express power adapter

(!) a single connector/wire on a PSU/connector is usually rated at a max. power draw of 6A. Wattage = VOLTS*A.
The maximum wattage for ONE 12V connector is therefore 72A. The two molex connectors are combined since a high-emd graphic card usually uses MUCH MORE than 72W..therefore it uses two molex which should be ok for up to 144 Watts.

THATS why the pci-ex graphics card SHOULD be able to run fine even WITHOUT the 24pin motherboard connector and WITHOUT a newer PSU with 24pin plug. The card gets enough power already and does not REALLY need the power from the PSU plug.

Thats why the newer boards are USUALLY comaptible with either 20pin PSUs or 24pin PSUS.

[As a sidenote] A pci-express card with NO external power connector which would get the power solely from the pci-port can (therefore) only draw a max. 72W. The current high-end cards all draw much more power. Eg. a Geforce 6800 Ultra is listed as using as much as 110 Watts. There is no way to do this with just the power coming from the 6A/72Watts rated pci-slot
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(Q) But wouldnt it be just better to get a newer ATX 2.0 24pin PSU which is "pci-express ready" ?
First..."pci-express" ready is just a stupid market term. See above. It doesnt need to bother you if the graphics card has an external connector and you got a good strong 20pin PSU.
"pci-express ready" will usually only mean that the PSU will have a 6pin pci-express power plug. Which is not bad and saves you the hassle to get the adapter in case the card does NOT come with one.

Another advantage of the newer ATX 24pin PSUSsis that they USUALLY have dual, separate 12V rails. (One 12V rail provides power for eg. CPU, the other rail is separate and provides power for the pci-express card.)
This is not necessarely bad
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In other words: You cant go wrong with a new 24pin PSU for various reasons. But this does not mean that your older 20pin one is obsolete. Especially not if its a good brand name one with suffcient power.

(Q) I got a 20pin PSU and i will get the "xyx" motherboard which uses a 24pin connector. So...i can get one of these PSU "20pin -> 24pin adapters" to make my old 20pin PSU 24pin compatible ?

See above. I dont THINK you really need one. But..there are certain *concerns* regarding this "20pin to 24pin" adapter. Do NOT confuse with the "24pin -> 20pin" adapter which often comes with new ATX 2.0 motherboards.

The 20pin->24pin PSU adapter will split your ONE rail/wire (eg. the 12V rail) coming from your PSU in two and create the "artificial" extra 4 pins.

The result is that your PSU will draw much more power from the one rail than it was originally intended to. While a real "dual rail" PSU will provide two seperate rails the solution with the adapter will draw twice the power now from one 'wire'.
What was rated at 72W max. before (remember ? 6A * 12V = 72 W) will now all of a sudden draw up to a max. of 144 watts.
Also..the thermal load (eg. heat !) will increase 4 (four !) times.
The most strain wil be on the adapter/plugs itself. You will get some nice, hot wires and plugs...

I cannot see this as an elegant solution - HOWEVER it might work.
But remember: You probably wont even NEED the adapter.
 
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MB-088-AS Asus A8N-E nForce4 Ultra (Socket 939) PCI-Express Motherboard (MB-088-AS) x 1
CP-117-AM AMD Athlon 64 3000+ Venice 90nm (Socket 939) - Retail (ADA3000BPBOX) (CP-117-AM) x 1
MY-005-GL GeIL 1GB (2x512MB) PC3200 Value Dual Channel Kit CAS2.5 (GE1GB3200BHDC) (MY-005-GL) x 1
GX-046-PC PowerColor ATI Radeon X800 GT 256MB GDDR3 TV-Out/DVI (PCI-Express) - Retail (GX-046-PC) x 1
HD-022-SA Samsung SpinPoint P HD120IJ 120GB SATA-II 8MB Cache - OEM (HD-022-SA) x 1
CA-040-AN Antec Sonata II Piano Black Quiet Case - 450W Smart Power PSU (CA-040-AN) x 1
OS-001-MS Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition - OEM (OS-001-MS) x 2
CD-031-PO Pioneer DVR-110DBK 16 x 16 DVD±RW Dual Layer ReWriter - (Black) OEM (CD-031-PO) x 1
CB-033-GE Akasa Rounded Ultra ATA133/100/66 IDE Cable (0.45m) - Green (CB-033-GE) x 2
CB-050-GE Akasa Rounded Floppy Cable (0.45m) - Purple (CB-050-GE) x 1
CB-047-GE Akasa Rounded Floppy Cable (0.45m) - Red (CB-047-GE) x 1
BU-022-OK AMD Athlon Sempron 64 2800 Retail / Abit NV8 / 512MB GeIL PC3200 - Bundle (BU-022-OK) x 1
MY-003-GL GeIL 512MB PC3200 Value CAS2.5 (GE5123200B) (MY-003-GL) x 1
CP-138-AM AMD Sempron 64 2800+ 1.6GHz (Socket 754) CPU - Retail (CP-138-AM) x 1
MB-080-AB Abit NV8 nForce4 4X (Socket 754) PCI-Express Motherboard (MB-080-AB) x 1
HD-003-SE Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 NCQ 80GB ST380817AS SATA 8MB Cache - OEM (HD-003-SE) x 1
CD-019-SA Samsung TSH-552U 16 x 16 Dual Layer DVD±RW ReWriter (Black) - OEM (CD-019-SA) x 1

Aria

Arianet MIDI tower 2 Blk/Silv 420W , Item Price = £24.95, Quantity = 1
17" Digimate L-1715 TFT Monitor
Belkin Wireless K/b & Optical Mouse, Item Price = £14.95, Quantity = 2

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1 x GeCube RADEON RX300SE 128MB 64 bit (256MB HyperMemory) Edition - RETAIL (GC-HM300L-C3 )
£30.63 ex VAT (£35.99)

1 x Sony Internal 3.5-inch Floppy Disk Drive (Black) (OEM) (MPF920-Z/121)
£3.39 ex VAT (£3.98)

1 x Mitsumi internal FD with 7-in-1 card reader (black)(OEM) (FA404M-BL)
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2x Misco No.: 75599 Manufacturer Code: (Logitech) 970123-0120
2 QUANTITY LOGITECH X-230 2.1 32WATT SPEAKERS £25.99 ex VAT £51.98 ex VAT

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Argh... ordering computer components is a logistical nightmare! all sorted :) should hopefully (fingers crossed touch wood) arrive tomorrow!
 

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